First, I had to look ‘shill’ up… second, I was of same thought as to Phyllo’s (ill) intentions… his skirting around and squirming around the issue gave it away, either that or he’s playing devils advocate? 
At least during this time of minimal-interactivity the planet can regenerate and rejuvenate itself, as can we too… albeit enforcibly, as ecological observations are proving this happening around the world.
The issue is whether you get a net benefit from vaccines. It’s not whether vaccines have “toxic” ingredients.
Sure, “non-toxic” vaccines are preferable to “toxic” vaccines, but sometimes you don’t have that much control over what is happening.
Really?
Why shouldn’t both those issues be taken under consideration, when formulating a vaccine to administer to The World?
So why don’t they kill 2 birds with one stone? if the intention is to inoculate all for the greater good, then make the vaccine appealing to all… like one does a popstar or global celebrity. How is that so difficult to do?
In my opinion, it’s never a good idea to vaccinate, period.
There’s much safer, more natural and effective ways to boost your immunity or rather, improve your terrain.
But that’s just my opinion, based on my experience and research.
I’m not trying to set myself up as another expert, I’m not.
I’m just totally against this idea we should never question or critique the self-appointed experts or look into alternatives.
In my view, there are no experts in the sense many people normally think of them, as these godlike entities beyond question or critique by mere mortals.
We get to play a or THE role in determining who the experts are for ourselves, as individuals, communities and a democracy, by continually making them earn our trust.
We don’t trust absolutely, rather if someone has given us lots of reasons to trust them, we may lower our guard a little, give them a bit of benefit of the doubt, but we never place all our eggs in their basket, we’re never all in, without reservation.
To me, that’s not rational thinking, that’s having faith in the science Gods.
Other than that…do with your own body what you will shrugs.
Myself, I prefer not to speculate about people’s motives, or at least not make my speculations known, I prefer to keep the focus on the ideas.
If I think someone’s being totally disingenuous, intentionally skirting around the issues, then I’ll probably just try and not engage with that person.
Not saying that’s what Phyllo is trying to do, just speaking generally.
Yea there are some upsides, the earth is getting a break at least, some of us will have more time to pause and think, take a breather.
Hopefully everyone will get the help that they need.
The moral onus is on the individual and not the manufacturer, it seems.
What “moral onus”?
UK CV19 update:
The virus isn’t even comparable to the seasonal flu or other cold viruses… not even close.
Those countries and individuals who have had the BCG, seem to be protected from the virus 6-fold, so countries are looking into administering the benefits of the BCG rather than sourcing a new vaccine.
The lock-down will be reviewed this week and a revised lift-date set, but the current restrictions will still remain in place for now, to curb the spread of CV19.
Is playing dumb a prerequisite for Philosophy?
Phyllo (pastry) come on now, maan… really? What moral onus do you think I mean?
Apparently mindreading is a prerequisite.
You write two words and I’m supposed to understand what you mean by it?
In that… if the vaccine is not non-allergenic, then the moral onus is on the individual, on what to do.
I’m not sure how much accommodation can be made for extreme allergies. Vaccines contain chemicals which are tolerated by most people in the quantities that they receive. There are small batches made with no chemicals or different chemicals to deal with special cases. The typical formulation has chemicals which extend shelf life or make it cheaper to manufacture.
In a sense, it’s no different than any other consumable and perishable product.
A box of cereal has preservatives which allow it to sit on a shelf for a year. Bread has chemicals which keep it soft and mold free longer. That’s our food distribution system. That’s the society we live in. I don’t personally agree with a lot of it but I still buy cereal sometimes and “industrial” bread fairly often.
I see vaccines as having some real benefits that should not be ignored.
…and therein lies the/my problem… the lack of access to non-allergenic anaesthetics and such. Us more… sensitive adults, even need to have baby antihistamine, as opposed to the much-more-potent adult kind.
In a sense… anything that enters the bloodstream, should be different than any other consumable and perishable product.
The current set of preservatives and additives in foods extend the shelf life of foods for much more longer than previous generations of preservatives and additives, and with them, more intolerances and allergies and deaths.
For instance… milk went from a 4-day shelf life, to 7 days, to 11 days. My system was ok with 4 days, and even 7 days, but not 11 days… and so I quit all dairy about a decade ago.
The greed for profit is backfiring on the greedy right now.
Then make them safe, non?
Phyllo (for you see especially number 7, re the discussion with Magsj) Iamb and Carleas…
here’s someone who has the support staff to do the complicated research necessary, in this case writing to a member of the MSM to criticize how vaccines are presented in the MSM and other issues. He cites scientific research for all his points, including metastudies.
The seas of experts information we are bathed in is skewed.
Thanks for that last post, now can you come up with one refuting climate changes negative affects on our present and future? Climate change is another biased bunch of bull.
Yay, my suspicions have been confirmed, flu vaccines are more of a scam and a harmful one at that. Figures.
As a veteran, the VA makes sure I get vaccinated for the flu every year. Well, they don’t force me to get one but the info they provide on the My Healthy Vet site seems convincing enough to me that the shots are neither a scam nor harmful. Twelve years now so far and no flu.
Anyway, beyond the political prejudices rooted in dasein that you will never own up to, what actual hard evidence do you have that the vaccines are a scam, are harmful?
For example, I can imagine setting up an experiment in which 100 healthy people got the flu shot and 100 did not. Then at the end of the flu season, the results.
Anything at all like that available? Link me to them please.
Vaccine trials starting today… trial vaccines have no adjuvants in them, these are added during the manufacturing process and are therefore untested, and their effects therefore unknown.
pmlive.com/pharma_news/oxfo … ow_1338762
This isn’t just about a flu or COVID vaccine … it’s a rejection of all vaccines. Polio, TB, measles, mumps, rubella, diphtheria, tetanus, hepatitis, etc.
What’s really in your vaccinations and other injectables…
Getting sick off jabs is not a myth or conspiracy theory, it’s a reality.
She was responding to my post where there was a link. IOW she thanked me for providing information supporting her skepticism about vaccines. The hard evidence you mentioned. I know, it would have been bothersome to actually read what she wrote and use that information. And I have linked to Kennedy’s website in other portions of the various Covid threads. Nice anecdotal evidence, by the way, in your post - an anecdote about yourself, cute. I can see why you feel confident going ad hom on her - see the other colored font in the quote above. You got that hard evidence.