Is belief in the supernatural an intelligent person’s game?

Greatest_I_am · July 13, 2019, 4:27pm

FreeSpirit1983:

Greatest I am:

FreeSpirit1983:

[Yes, although not all believers are intelligent, of course.

Religious people live better lives than atheists do. That’s proven by the social sciences.

Being religious means a better life in this world (happier, live longer, less depression, less suicide, more giving) and hopefully a much better life in the next.

Better is a subjective thing.

Sure the religious live a bit longer and happier lives, but to a thinker, as compared to a sheeple, cannot see being a sheeple as better than a thinker.

The small difference is not enough to make an atheist put his mind in intellectual and especially moral dissonance.

We value our minds and truth more than theists. By we I mean thinkers, not atheists. Not being an atheist, I cannot speak for them.

At present, atheists are beginning the trend of providing what were known as mystery schools. Some are calling them atheist churches. That trend will give them the longer and happier lives without them having to insult their intellect and morals.

They know how utterly stupid and brain killing idol worship of a genocidal son murdering god can be. They have seen what it does to Christians and Muslims.

They are not interested in growing atheism with inquisitions and jihads.
That is why countries with less religiosity are more peaceful and law abiding.

Regards
DL

But most atheists know hardly anything about religion or theology. They are only guided by their own egos.

Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens (RIP) are the perfect examples. They are experts in their field, so they assume they are experts in every field.

In reality, they have a 7th grade education in religion and theology. Watching them “debate” is embarrassing because of their ignorance.

I include you in this group because of your cliche generalizations and obvious narcissism.

Oh and regards to your ignorant assumptions, I was an atheist for 10 years until I began my own study. I know how you people think.

I am a Gnostic Christian and if you can’t even get that right you are too stupid for me to bother with.

You are also ignoring all the surveys that show that most atheists are better educated about you religion than most of the sheeple.

Regards
DL

FreeSpirit1983 · July 13, 2019, 4:31pm

Gnostic “Christians” are even more ignorant than atheists are. You’re like the New Age movement. You believe things that have been proven false.

For example, Gnostics deny the crucifixion of Christ when almost all scholars believe Christ was indeed crucified.

It doesn’t surprise me that you support atheism so much.

Go study the Gospels and quit wasting everyone’s time.

bahman · July 13, 2019, 10:55pm

Belief is a mental state that suggests that there is something out there. It acts intelligently so we can conclude that an intelligent person responsible for it if we accept the argument, which is, I) There is an intelligent act (an intelligent act being an act which is directed to somewhere), II) Intelligent act is caused by an intelligent person, III) Therefore there is an intelligent person. I, however, don’t see any difference between natural and supernatural except that the first is common whereas the second is rare. They are both caused.

surreptitious75 · July 14, 2019, 10:47am

Any so called supernaturnal phenomena that is objectively real is natural by definition
And so if it is caused and can be demonstrated to exist then it cannot be supernatural

Greatest_I_am · July 14, 2019, 3:17pm

That is an outright lie as most do not even believe a miracle working Jesus existed.

Thanks for the great ending.

Regards
DL

Greatest_I_am · July 14, 2019, 3:20pm

Rare?

I hope you do not mean the 7th hand hearsay in holy books.

Tell us what you have seen please or know of miracle as facts please.

Regards
DL

FreeSpirit1983 · July 14, 2019, 4:13pm

Greatest I am:

bahman:

Greatest I am:

Is belief in the supernatural an intelligent person’s game?

Belief is a mental state that suggests that there is something out there. It acts intelligently so we can conclude that an intelligent person responsible for it if we accept the argument, which is, I) There is an intelligent act (an intelligent act being an act which is directed to somewhere), II) Intelligent act is caused by an intelligent person, III) Therefore there is an intelligent person. I, however, don’t see any difference between natural and supernatural except that the first is common whereas the second is rare. They are both caused.

Rare?

I hope you do not mean the 7th hand hearsay in holy books.

Tell us what you have seen please or know of miracle as facts please.

Regards
DL

Here are a few associated with Christianity.

magiscenter.com/contemporar … charist-2/

Greatest_I_am · July 14, 2019, 4:41pm

Belief is a mental state that suggests that there is something out there. It acts intelligently so we can conclude that an intelligent person responsible for it if we accept the argument, which is, I) There is an intelligent act (an intelligent act being an act which is directed to somewhere), II) Intelligent act is caused by an intelligent person, III) Therefore there is an intelligent person. I, however, don’t see any difference between natural and supernatural except that the first is common whereas the second is rare. They are both caused.
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Rare?

I hope you do not mean the 7th hand hearsay in holy books.

Tell us what you have seen please or know of miracle as facts please.

Regards
DL
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Here are a few associated with Christianity.

magiscenter.com/contemporar … charist-2/
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I figured. Nothing concrete.

Regards
DL

promethean75 · July 14, 2019, 5:12pm

@ freespirit; see hume’s argument against miracles and russell’s ‘natural law’ argument. i’d get the links for you but my iced mocha just blew up and i’ve got whipped cream all over my fingers. i shouldn’t even be posting this much. you owe me.

FreeSpirit1983 · July 14, 2019, 6:26pm

Hume and Russell were both atheists that refused to allow the possibility for scientifically verified miracles.

Pardon me while I reject their atheism.

FreeSpirit1983 · July 14, 2019, 6:27pm

Rare?

I hope you do not mean the 7th hand hearsay in holy books.

Tell us what you have seen please or know of miracle as facts please.

Regards
DL
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Here are a few associated with Christianity.

magiscenter.com/contemporar … charist-2/
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I figured. Nothing concrete.

Regards
DL
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You didn’t read it.

You atheists always reject anything that exposes your materialist world view.

Greatest_I_am · July 14, 2019, 6:40pm

Here are a few associated with Christianity.

magiscenter.com/contemporar … charist-2/
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I figured. Nothing concrete.

Regards
DL
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You didn’t read it.

You atheists always reject anything that exposes your materialist world view.
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I might have missed something but as I said, I saw nothing concrete.

If you had anything in particular, I am sure your would have highlighted it.

I agree that atheists reject your fantasies for what they are.

Thanks for trying to label me such out of your frustration in having me thing as delusionally as you do.

Regards
DL

FreeSpirit1983 · July 14, 2019, 7:58pm

DL,

You didn’t read it. You are willfully ignorant.

It’s OK. Many atheists are.

Regards,
Brian

bahman · July 14, 2019, 8:52pm

Yes.

No. It is based on my spiritual experience.

They can read my mind and put thoughts inside my mind in a way that I feel that it is my thoughts. They are very powerful and there is a hierarchy within them.

Silhouette · July 14, 2019, 9:28pm

An inelegant stereotype. I am an atheist and not a materialist. There is nothing about atheism that dictates worldview beyond literally “without God”. Anything else is on the table.

In terms of established worldviews, mine probably most closely fits Panpsychism, but I have ironed out the issues in this and all other worldviews in my own Experientialism.

There is zero need for religious narrative in either of these, and inserting a token Deistic “God” into the vocabulary serves no use.

Dawkins, maybe. Hitchens simply brought up scripture and presented it for what it is without mercy. Harris has a mastery of philosophy that is on par with the best of them, and far beyond mere experts. He even differs with the 4th horseman of the counter-apocalypse, Dennett, with his monist Materialism that I too rejected back in university. None of them think they’re experts in every field just because they are in their own field.

promethean75 · July 14, 2019, 10:43pm

nuh-uh, not me. i love it. 'cause we are living in a material world, and i am uh material girl

Greatest_I_am · July 15, 2019, 7:39pm

You did not read where I said I was not an atheist, ass hole, but thanks for not showing your best proof.

Regards
DL

Greatest_I_am · July 15, 2019, 7:44pm

Rather like a cosmic consciousness.
It happens that I believe in that, to a point only, because I don’t know if I could differentiate it from what Jung and Freud called our Father Complex.

I have no way of knowing if that is what I telepathically found or a cosmic consciousness.
Sight does not work in our minds and I could not tell if I was outside of my body or within it.

Why are you choosing the supernatural view instead of the natural view?

Regards
DL

bahman · July 15, 2019, 8:18pm

I only believe in natural. There are natural phenomena that are rare. People call this supernatural. Otherwise, natural.

Greatest_I_am · July 15, 2019, 9:11pm

Goody good.

I agree.

Regards
DL