There is no objective answer to questions of what should or should not be - what should or should not be itself is a matter of preference.
From what I see, regardless of what people say and their pretenses, ultimately all their preferences are based on unconditional self-love. I’m not saying I think it’s good or bad, just how things are. I already wrote a lengthier post about this elsewhere, I’ll paste it into tab to avoid cluttering the thread:
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About the recent debate between MGTOW and Alt-right. I haven’t been keeping up with it too much, haven’t even watched the video yet ( Embarassed ) but I read the comments in my free time and these are my thoughts so far, mostly from the comments I left on the video.
Two comments I made in response to the MGTOW argument that goes along the lines of ‘If white nationalists claim to value high IQ, then they should let Asians immigrate into their countries and breed with them’. This was an interesting argument to me because it is something I have been thinking about for a while.
Comment 1:
I think that ultimately there are 2 reasons for our preferences:
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subjective reasons - an emotional/instinctive preference we have little to no control over. This is because it was present in humans for much longer through our evolutionary history, back when humans were animals. Essentially, it is unconditional self-love and, by implication, a love of everything that reminds us of self to the extent it does remind us of self. It had to evolve because an organism that doesn’t love self despite objective reasons, will by necessity do worse and be less likely to reproduce self, than an organism that does love self despite objective reasons.
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objective reasons - this is a more rational preference formed due to our more recently developed parts of the brain dealing with higher mental faculties such as the capacity for abstract thought. This is a preference based on some objective facts regardless of our self - IQ, strength, beauty, to name three.
This is not an absolute distinction, since with regards to 2) it is again the subject who is doing the judging and valuing, but I think it will do.
One of Colttaine’s point is that since white nationalists claim to value high IQ, then why not prefer other groups, like Ashkenazi Jews or Asians, who embody that high IQ even more so than white people?
And I do think it is true that ultimately, every race’s preference for itself is primarily based on subjective reasons - unconditional self-love. If my race is among the highest IQ ones, or the more beautiful, stronger ones, these objective reasons surely add to why I prefer my race, but they are not the foundation of the preference. They act more as an ideal that I strive to drive my race towards without changing my race on a subjective level too much (basically making it less of my race by diluting it with genes of other races).
Honestly, I think that NOBODY is capable of having their life choices based purely or even mostly on objective reasons. Following the idea that objective reasons should overcome subjective reasons to its end, it means that Colttaine, if he was attacked by somebody with a higher IQ, who is stronger than him, and more beautiful, wouldn’t defend himself but would let himself be killed instead, since that person embodies his favored values more than he does himself. Of course, that’s absurd.
In conclusion, I agree that ultimately our preference for our own race is primarily based more on subjective reasons, but so what? Again, I highly doubt that Colttaine himself would follow the logic of 2) to its end.
Comment 2 (addressing Colttaine)
When white nationalists claim they value IQ, I doubt that they mean that they value IQ above all. I do agree that ultimately, my preference for my race is subjective in the sense that it is based on unconditional self-love. But don’t we all function according to that principle in the end?
For example, I presume you too value high IQ Colttaine, right? So if a person with a higher IQ than you attacked you, and your options were to die or to kill in self-defense, what would you do? If your ultimate value is high IQ, then you ought to let yourself get killed, since that person has a higher IQ than you. If your ultimate value is unconditional self-love, then you ought to defend yourself.
So yes, I would agree that ultimately the preference for one’s own race is based more on a subjective (particular to each individual) unconditional self-love, but… so what? Does it take away from it in some relevant way? As I said, and I believe I proved this point with my example above, ultimately 99.99% of humanity (and I’m not even shy using such a statistic in this circumstance) acts in accordance with the principle of self-preservation first, value-preservation second. So there may be somebody who embodies some things we value more successfully than we do ourselves, but that usually means we strive to improve ourselves to the extent we can so that we (or our offspring) can eventually overcome them, not that we just decide to self-destruct by race-mixing and/or assisted suicide.
Aside from that, there are 2 additional problems I can perceive with allowing the immigration of other races:
Since we have established that every race works in its own interest, if we import another race, they would necessarily also work in their own interest, which can sometimes conflict with the interest of our own race. For example, Asians might earn money in our countries, then give it to their families in their countries instead of spending it in the country they work in. Also, they might simply begin advocating for the kind of ideals that benefit them over whites. It would create all kinds of unnecessary problems and tensions that can be simply avoided.[/tab]