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Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:20 pm

Ive made a 180 that was long impending.
I am now a servant of Allah. Not myself believer in his ultimate Creative Lordship, I do recognize him as an entiry ruling over the hearts and minds of two billion humans, a number rapidly growing. This tide simply cant be turned, not with the quality of people we have in Nothern Europe. The Dems in the US are already muslim by quality of mind (malleable and victim oriented) - either that or extremely gay - this will be a problem but superficially, as religious gay hate is usually just gayness.

So it would work out pretty well in the long run. I no longer think humanity can be cultivated to any significant heights as a whole. Or that it is or can be something sane or sound on the whole. By and large, humans prefer a life of subservience and protocol. As of now my motto is let them have it! Why not?
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Re: Islam must rule the North

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:40 pm

Mainland N Europe hasnt produced any good culture since WW2, its dead decfacto (Rammstein is an exception as well as an illustration) so it is natural for it to be overtaken. Muslim culture thrives in the region, government protocol already dictates carte blanche for proliferation of the doctrine and practice of its laws in the city wide communities.. it will simply happen if no 100 year efort is made to prevent it at the level of preschool education. Ive given upon that after having fought for it for 10 years. Much more people now than then want Islam. Most see it preferable to a Trump pesidency. This means something fundamental has been won over to Allah. There is only sweetness now between the Decent American and the Faithful Mohammedan.

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Re: Islam must rule the North

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:58 pm

Follow through on FB.

Enjoy, ye good of faith, and philosophers. Both on your own terms. We will make it work for the meek as well as for the existent!

Sauwelios wrote:Paradoxically, Muslim fundamentalism is, to put it mildly, more militant than Christian fundamentalism today, not because Islam is inherently less open to enlightenment than Christianity, but on the contrary! If Christianity had not been so inimical to enlightenment, early modern philosophers need not have launched the modern scientific enterprise which was to crush its spiritual tyranny. It is because of that enterprise that Muslim fundamentalists now have access to sophisticated technology and such large numbers of people to use it on.

"Christianity represented a danger to philosophy very different from the mere prohibition that was the ultimate threat of Islam or Judaism: Christianity could parade itself as the true philosophy [...] To tyrannize philosophy as the True Philosophy is far more dangerous than banishment [...] The Machiavellian strategy succeeded in its one great aim; but by adopting its enemy's means and conscripting science into the service of propaganda, it caused philosophy to fall prey to a new tyranny, the tyranny of supposed enlightenment via science." (Lampert, _Leo Strauss and Nietzsche_, pp. 140, 144.)


Fixed wrote:I think if some things go a certain way northern Europe may be fully Islamic in 300 years. I seems that people who resist Islam are far more hated and feared by the humanist population than anything Islam is capable of. Im considering accepting Islam as a religion fo the people. Watching some parts of the Democratic Convention I could not escape the idea that these people are all already weakened and hollowed out enough to benefit emotionally from such a conveniently prescriptive religion, much more than from Greek values.

Of course, as it was likely always an illusion that the whole of mankind _wants_ to be free.

Whts left to do on such a scenario is to find places on Earth where the human mind can still cultivate itself. South America will likely not ever be overtaken - proof of Catholicisms worth. Same for Italy. Italy also happens to be the most intellectually advanced nation in Europe now - reading their papers opinion and background pieces is a lot like reading philosophy sometimes. Whereas in Holland to even want to read one of these papers you must be of an older generation that still has experience of journalism practiced by literates, or otherwise simply a dutch moderner, which means such a sad and hopeless thing....


Sauwelios wrote:Here's something I started--and stopped--writing last night, which seems to echo your sentiment here:

"A unified Europe is a paradox, but that's a good thing. For what is best about Europe is what's against -doxy, against dogma in it. But perhaps Europe, or the West, is no longer able to be a star, nay, the Sun of the world. "

I then started making a list of world powers, which begins with Europe/the West between brackets, because it's characterised by variety (Britain, France, etc. etc.). Like "Communism", Islam seems to have a homogenising "yet" nationalising effect (it was originally the first pan-Arabic religion; compare what that Frenchman in Apocalypse Now Redux says about Vietnamese Communists, and China and Indonesia; Christianity of course also had a similar effect in Europe, originally).

But before all this, I was struck by this passage from Neumann:

"This dependence of all reality upon the superman's will to overpower nihilism distinguishes Nietzsche's eternal return teaching from previous ones. Whether Platonic, Stoic or Hindu, earlier teachings asserted that things exist and return eternally because that is their nature and the nature of the universe. A superman's will was not believed necessary to guarantee that inequality and war never cease or that spring always precede summer or that the sun always rise[.]" (Neumann, "Nietzsche".)

What struck me was that that's very much what Hinduism teaches! Nature is what it is because of a superhuman being, God, who even needs avatars to restore or preserve Dharma! And in esoteric Platonism, these "avatars" (consider what Heraclitus says about what gods and heroes really are) are the philosophers. Now the last thing I wrote last night, immediately after I made that list, was this:

::

Yo, during my last high before the current one, I wrote:

"I still seem to have a gripe with your answer, Jakob. You're still talking about predictions and 'what we see happening'. Yet I think we must at least _also_ will it--and not in the sense of accepting it after the fact."

This was all I wrote at that point (and possibly the entire night).

Will to Power 133 says:

"Abbé Galiani once said: _La prévoyance est la cause des guerres actuelles de l'Europe. Si l'on voulait se donner la peine de ne rien prévoir, tout le monde serait tranquille, et je ne crois pas qu'on serait plus malheureux parce qu'on ne ferait pas la guerre._ Since I do not by any means share the unwarlike views of my friend Galiani, I am not afraid of predicting a few things and thus, possibly, of conjuring up the cause of wars."

It's not just a matter of predicting, but also of _arranging the pieces_--in our minds, to begin with.

::

I would actually prefer if exoteric Platonisms like Islam were to perish, if Dharma was restored. Perhaps the Mahdi shall turn out to be the Islamic counterpart to Kalki? In any case, with Islam gone, Israel can finally rebuild its Temple, and this could be the perfect symbol of a worldwide return to tribalism. I'm thinking of a new Mahabharata War...


Sauwelios wrote:What Krishna basically said in the Bhagavad Gita, especially to the lower castes (beginning with the warrior caste), is this: I know your duties suck, but you must keep doing them; however, you don't have to be _attached_ to them, you don't have to identify with the one who toils; instead, you should attach your hearts to me, identify with me, Freedom Incarnate!


Fixed wrote:All of that seems valid to me. And yes, we must will things and not simply 'see them' - my problem so far was that I lacked amor fati with respect to the stupidity of humans. I was always taught that humans are fundamentally cool, but it turns out they are only fundamentally fearful and obedient. So in this sense, I will the obedient and fearful to simply lay on the ground bowing and not getting in anyones face with their nonsense. The advantage of Islam is that it prohibits opinions and free speech, so newspapers would die out, as would tv talkshows that arent about details of religious devout life - and the hypocrisy of muslims playing FPS games and watching tv and porn would also die out - basically life would become very quiet and grey which suits the quality of the modern man. Right now it is very grey and very loud.

I think that nearly everyone who has defended Islam in Europe subconsciously aims for this outcome. Such religions after all come into being because of mans common wish to be subdued, and for existential responsibility to be taken from his back -and after nearly 20 years of philosophical life, I now finally to accept - and will! - the reality that people are in general better off with a God or a Morality above them than as what I consider to be an actual being. In as far a humans arent actually existing (most cases) they bare far better off with Allah and we, existing ones, are also far better off when they are kneeling silently than when they are making tv programs and writing newspapers.
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Re: The Glorious Future of Islam

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:02 pm

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Let's begin warming up the tastes to Islamic life, starting with its most prominent virtue: architecture.
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Re: Towards an Islamic Earth

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:10 pm

I am against all religions as they are divisive and put an,
Us vs them, mentality and creates hate and anger and guilt.
I have no more love of Islam then I do of western religion.
I see nothing positive coming from religion and everything negative
coming from them...... I reject the basic premiss of religion and
the basic goal of religion....So I will fight any, ANY religion regardless
of its name or origin or theology.

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Re: Towards an Islamic Earth

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:49 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:I am against all religions as they are divisive and put an,
Us vs them, mentality and creates hate and anger and guilt.
I have no more love of Islam then I do of western religion.
I see nothing positive coming from religion and everything negative
coming from them...... I reject the basic premiss of religion and
the basic goal of religion....So I will fight any, ANY religion regardless
of its name or origin or theology.

Kropotkin

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Re: Towards an Islamic Earth

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:55 pm

The formidable Angela Merkel has good things to say for our continents future.
We will all tolerate everything Islam does - we are after all strong, and this is what strong people do. We arent bothered when our citizens are axed - we invite more people with axes.

The Guardian wrote:Angela Merkel has delivered a staunch defence of her open-door policy towards refugees, insisting she feels no guilt over a series of violent attacks in Germany and was right to allow hundreds of thousands of migrants and refugees to arrive last summer.

“A rejection of the humanitarian stance we took could have led to even worse consequences,” the German chancellor said, adding that the assailants “wanted to undermine our sense of community, our openness and our willingness to help people in need. We firmly reject this.”
Cameron 'made last-ditch plea to Merkel over free movement before EU vote'
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Repeating her wir schaffen das (we can manage it) mantra delivered last summer at the peak of the refugee crisis, Merkel said: “I didn’t say it would be easy. I said back then, and I’ll say it again, that we can manage our historic task – and this is a historic test in times of globalisation – just as we’ve managed so much already, we can manage it.”

“Germany is a strong country,” she added.

Within the space of a week, Germany has been rocked by an axe attack on a train, a mass shooting in Munich that left nine dead, a machete attack in which a pregnant woman was killed and a suicide bomb in Ansbach.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... er-attacks

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Re: Towards an Islamic Earth and Unity

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:08 pm

"Yoga" means Union.
"Islam" means Submission.
"Christ" means Anointed One.

What can we learn?

Humanity is to be United in Submission and thereby, as a whole, Anointed.
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Re: Toward Islamic Disciplining and Beautication of Europe

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:40 pm

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---Wash after reading----

A Holy Fuck if ever one was given.
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Fixed Cross » Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:58 pm

A Parable of Allah the Merciful.

I left the house and went down the stairs and saw that the gate to the garden of the neighbors was open and the container used for stripping the house empty so I climbed the fence from the halfway plateau and walked onto the containers edge. Then I saw a squirrel inside, trapped. It was trying to gain momentum by running through the filthy water on most of the slightly sloped bottom and jumping, at most two thirds of the way up to the slippery edge. I grabbed the nearest beam and placed it, and stood back so that the animal could find its freedom. [Nothing happens faster and more certainly and definitively than a creature of god rushing from captivity when given the chance. When a creature does not, it is not of god, but only contingent on creation]

I love squirrels because they are in my opinion the freeest animals, just like God loves man has his favorite animal. When I see a squirrel despair, I despair. So I reckon God feels for man - and in the same way that man possesses more resources than the squirrel, and the squirrel an get trapped in the ways of man, so Allah possess more resources to me merciful to man than man possesses for himself, and man can be trapped in the vast world of God when he enters places of it that he hasn't been introduced to by his fellows. But God will still rescue him if he becomes aware of his entrapment.

But did the anguish of the squirrel reach my mind, prompting me to climb the fence, or was it god who put the impulse in my mind?

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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Jul 30, 2016 11:55 pm

Islam is the remedy for the undead god that has settled in the Socialist heart.
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Re: Towards an Islamic Earth and Unity

Postby One Liner » Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:28 am

Fixed Cross wrote:"Yoga" means Union.
"Islam" means Submission.
"Christ" means Anointed One.

What can we learn?

Humanity is to be United in Submission and thereby, as a whole, Anointed.

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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:17 am

You, sir, are a genius.
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby One Liner » Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:22 am

Dumbing down your comments for the masses does not make me a genius.
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Fixed Cross » Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:09 pm

One Liner wrote:Dumbing down your comments for the masses does not make me a genius.

No.
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Prismatic567 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:17 am

Like most religions, Islam do expect discipline from its believers otherwise the autocratic Allah [rather Muhammad] will not be pleased which is explicitly stated in the immutable Quran.
Muslims as believers by default MUST be biased, thus they obviously think their Islam is beautiful regardless of whatever good or evil Islam inspired them to do.
However in reality within humanity there is no real beauty from Islam. Rather what oozes from Islam [in part, not whole] is its significant malignant evil as represented by the following very glaring evidence; [29,106]

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The above is merely one set of incidents inspired by Islam that involve deaths. There are many other sets of evils and violence in the sphere of social, cultural, educations, etc. committed by SOME evil prone Muslims where there are no deaths.

Btw, I am not blaming Muslims per-se.

If there is any beauty in relation to Islam, that is only apparent. In reality the beauty of architecture or whatever are due to Muslims who happened to be good human beings and are indifferent to the evil laden elements within the Quran [Ahadith and Sira] and the martial ethos of Islam.

Therefore that is no beauty per se in Islam. There is only a malignant evil potential within Islam [in part, not whole] that humanity must give serious attention to instead of being an ostrich to this evil potential as in the present.
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby One Liner » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:42 am

In 2012 an estimated 56 million people died world wide (World Health Organisation) and so 29,106 deadly terror attacks since 2001 hardly presents itself as a major issue.
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Prismatic567 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 10:49 am

One Liner wrote:In 2012 an estimated 56 million people died world wide (World Health Organisation) and so 29,106 deadly terror attacks since 2001 hardly presents itself as a major issue.

What kind of deflection and dilution is that??
You have a very low and bad moral sense.
Morally the killing of one human being is a serious issue.

Point is all killings [legal or not] and premature deaths must be addressed by humanity.
There are some killings we may have to bear with at present, but in the future humanity must strive to prevent killings to a minimum and if possible to zero.

Since this is a forum related to religions and this thread is on 'Islam' thus to topic we should only deal with killings related to Islam only.
What is pathetic is these killings are ultimately grounded on an illusory being [nonsensical thing] which cannot be proven to exists and is exhorting its believers to kill non-Muslims.
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby One Liner » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:00 am

Prismatic567 wrote:
One Liner wrote:In 2012 an estimated 56 million people died world wide (World Health Organisation) and so 29,106 deadly terror attacks since 2001 hardly presents itself as a major issue.

What kind of deflection and dilution is that??
You have a very low and bad moral sense.
Morally the killing of one human being is a serious issue.

Point is all killings [legal or not] and premature deaths must be addressed by humanity.
There are some killings we may have to bear with at present, but in the future humanity must strive to prevent killings to a minimum and if possible to zero.

Since this is a forum related to religions and this thread is on 'Islam' thus to topic we should only deal with killings related to Islam only.
What is pathetic is these killings are ultimately grounded on an illusory being [nonsensical thing] which cannot be proven to exists and is exhorting its believers to kill non-Muslims.

Oh, you mean this is a Muslim bashing thread and thus it gives us permission to quote figures that are meaningless and one sided in order to justify Muslim bashing.
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby surreptitious57 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:04 am

Prismatic567 wrote:
exhorting its believers to kill non Muslims

They also kill Muslims as well so do not discriminate between the two
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby One Liner » Sat Aug 27, 2016 11:42 am

surreptitious57 wrote:
Prismatic567 wrote:
exhorting its believers to kill non Muslims

They also kill Muslims as well so do not discriminate between the two

And non-Muslims also kill Muslim civilians.
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Fixed Cross » Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:43 pm

This thread wasnt meant to be about killing, but about cultivating and building.

Yes, that is a somewhat novel and bizarre idea considering what Islam has been doing. But I base my optimism on a tremendously long term view, and some examples, rare, of Islam producing powerful art.

Art is literally the only thing that can redeem organized religion. And it needs redemption; bowing on a mat to give away your will is already a suicide attack. Its dreadful in the extreme. But Im trying, Ringo...
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby One Liner » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:16 pm

That knowledge requires the person to see architecture through their own eyes rather than through a photo (a travelled person).
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:03 am

One Liner wrote:Oh, you mean this is a Muslim bashing thread and thus it gives us permission to quote figures that are meaningless and one sided in order to justify Muslim bashing.

Note I stated very clearly in my post earlier;
"Btw, I am not blaming Muslims per-se."

I don't bash Muslims and I do not blame Muslims directly for the atrocities committed by SOME Muslims. I do not even blame those evil prone Muslims who committed the evils and violence because they were unfortunately born with an active evil tendencies.
The critical root cause and blame are the evil laden elements in the Quran and within the ethos of Islam that catalyze and trigger the evil prone Muslims to perform their duty as good Muslims but those acts out in reality turned out to be evil and violent.

What I am criticizing is Islam in part, not wholly, i.e. the part that is malignant that trigger the evil prone Muslims to commit evils and violence around the world.

Why do you say the figures quoted are one-sided and meaningless?
Where are your arguments to justify your point.
Have you researched into those figures at all?
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Re: Islam = Discipline & Beauty

Postby Prismatic567 » Sun Aug 28, 2016 4:15 am

Fixed Cross wrote:This thread wasnt meant to be about killing, but about cultivating and building.

Yes, that is a somewhat novel and bizarre idea considering what Islam has been doing. But I base my optimism on a tremendously long term view, and some examples, rare, of Islam producing powerful art.

Art is literally the only thing that can redeem organized religion. And it needs redemption; bowing on a mat to give away your will is already a suicide attack. Its dreadful in the extreme. But Im trying, Ringo...
You stated in the OP

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It is rational for me to counter your point on its relation to 'beauty' and I am highlighting there are malignant elements in Islam that do not promote nor appreciate the 'beauty' you're highlighting.
I have to highlight this point because your OP is not fully truthful in one way.

Note the cultural genocides committed by the Muslims of ISIS and other terror group.
My argument is the members of ISIS and terror group are more truer Muslims than the so-called moderate Muslims.

The difference is while the members of ISIS are good Muslims they are bad humans and while the moderates are not so good Muslims they are good human being where their basic human values to override the evil elements of Islam.

Thus I don't think I am out of point in this case as in any discussion it is necessary to bring in other perspectives to the topic.
What I have done is to highlight various perspective to the topic but I am not going to keep drumming on the evils committed by SOME evil prone Muslims in this thread. [other than some side points with one-liner which is off topic].

In any case, if Muslims every produced anything of higher aesthetic values, it is not because of Islam per se, rather such higher good qualities of creativeness are oozing from their progressive human_ness that escape from the straight-jacketed constrictions of Islam itself.
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