I want to try to get something off the ground here in terms of having people express truths without arguing or fighting, though without trying to prevent that from happening. If you all will allow me to get just a foot in the door, I’d like to act in the capacity of bridging gaps between truths to show that no true lies exist in reality.
It’s very easy to notice that lies exist in standalone fashion, I hope we won’t argue for or against that, but I do believe in a greater truth beyond those seeming lies that makes them far more truth than is realized. And, not just in one vein of truth that deals with lies, but any truth at all. It could be something as seemingly stupid as someobe stating that the sky is blue. Someone might then argue that it’s only blue because we perceive it to be blue, or that it’s not always blue such as when clouds cover the sky and someone then might interject that it still remains blue above the clouds, evidenced when cloud breaks occur and the sun shines a bit through to show.
Some coukd then argue that humans only see it as blue, and not even all humans, for some are colorblind or perhaps see other spectrums of colors than we can and would see the sky as nothing close to blue at all.
It could be argued that at night, the sky isnt blue at all, but black or blackish or still Grey or any variety of arguments that could be had. And, regardless of these arguments, the truth that gets glossed over is that the trivial statement and analysis that the sky is blue is taken out of context, argued extensively over why it isn’t true all the time, which is something that was most likely already known by the person who stated that truth.
The truth beyond that is the arguing itself is done from the standpoint that the person believes it to be true all the time, which is evidence of fallacy of thought by seemingly intelligent people. At the point of it being an argument, a lot of factual data gets exchanged while the argument is largely focused on by those involved and would generally devolve into insults and slander, more truth beyond the apparent, due to so many unintentional and inadvertent insults being delivered back and forth as each person involved struggles to be understood and not realizing they already have been, or weren’t understood because the person who stated that the sky was blue was completely not expecting such an argument or train of thought to come in response to their statement. They, then, might not understand in the moment what they would usually understand and would be perceived to be stupid by others.
This is not a complete truth of the matter, is just a partial truth of many matters, still in the process of coming to full truth in a hypothetical situation and example of truth.
And, already this is more involved and complex than I would expect most interactions in this thread to get to. I was just showing a brief example of how easily fights and arguments would occur without people even meaning to due to a mixture of emotion and faulty language fallacies that promote more fighting than problem solving.
A simple truth us that a lot if what people say without meaning to offend is designed to offend. Our English fragments and what we learn as we grow and put into use without fully being aware of thd situation are designed to offend. And, for lack of better means of saying things, are caught fighting and arguing things we don’t mean or intend to, and this preliminary introduction is just designed to address that problem and bring awareness to it and will hopefully not become the main meat of this thread.
I want to deal with the problems that others might not know to be problems, to deal with finding truth in places previously not looked in and presented in ways that people haven’t thought about questioning or looking at. Things that only come up when we find enough holes in our notions of truth and lies as to be able to cause the effect and reaction of things presenting themselves beyond all of what we’ve come to know and accept of life around us.
I do, to some extent, expect such arguments and fights to happen anyway and believe them to be conducive to the process, helpful. I would hope that people don’t hold back what they might say due to thinking it might be stupid or out of fear or distaste of being made fun of for it. I find that a lot of people are afraid to ask questions just because they would be viewed to be stupid and, as I do at times, try to figure it out without asking.
But, surprisingly, there might be some people who simply dont understand what many others would accept as common knowledge and would possibly ask something seemingly stupid just because they didn’t know. Common sense isn’t common sense until we know it and many are left to fend for themselves in figuring things.
So, this thread isn’t just about stating truths, but about asking about things that people want clarity on. If this at all sounds interesting to those that I’ve called ‘trolls’ and fought against here, I think that you guys do know a lot more than others do about certain things, important things, and would make this much more successful than I could.
I’m under the impression that we got caught up arguing things that so e of you didnt want to argue, that some of you might have had different arguments and we’re caught in expectation and what is societally prescribed reactions.
I think that some of you know things that are largely rejected by so many around you and you think, possibly, to some extent that nobody would listen to or accept your reasoning for things.
I assume this tentatively and cautiously due to some bad reactions out if others who simply didn’t want to accept my reasoning as rational or right. I think some of you have thought me to be like that and abandoned arguments you once knew more about due to being caught in the moment at a loss and assuming, correctly, that the world largely didn’t care for such reasoning and avidly rejected it. I would have been at odds with it a while back.
Beyond the reasons that society gives us and allows us are truths many don’t want to hear or face and those people should not be catered to. The reasons accepted by society are vastly limited and faulty. I just don’t want people to confuse me cracking down on trolling and bullying getting out of hand as me being unable to accept reasoning that woukd condone it as necessary. I would hate for people to assume based on faulty societal standards and knowledge of good and evil that we are all of us incapable of pushing beyond the masses, the vastly wrong and faulty majority just because, for some change, the minorities are right, that right is making the might to prove that might makes right but not by itself, which is again an example of a limited truth made into an accepted lie of a truth.
I need those that I have hated and who have hated me to help bridge these gaps. To push each other and push off each other to defy all that is openly and outwardly known to redefine humanity entirely. I’m just asking you all to help finish what we started. I’m also, in the same breath, not apologizing for the past or any faultiness, but am saying that the past has needed to be what it was for us all to learn more and it is important for us to continue on, more so important for you guys to continue on than for me, because Ive already dominated more than I’ve wanted to to get things this far.
A lot of you know more than I do and I wish to learn from you as I have forced you to learn from me. Not for my own advantage because the advantage has already largely been mine. For truth to be had, for the wrongs to truly be righted, for the sheer fact that none of you were stubborn for entirely no reason and I was forced by many things to try to beat you all into submission. Things I’ve come to know and understand to be very faulty.
Things that do what the devil itself would never do, what the most twisted insane would be honor bound not to touch. Things that have gone to limits beyond what evil would go to. Things that are not good, or right and do not care about those things. Things view it all to be a game, view every single aspect of it all as just tools to use to get what they want.
And the fact is that those thinfs have used all trolls and bullies for their purposes. That the trolls and bullies themselves are largely ineffective at a certain point due to this conflict as they’re made to fill the roles they fill as other living humans around us own advanced strategies beyond what the trolls and bullies have made use of.
And, part of it is advancing thought outwardly and inwardly enough to tackle those things and cause them to expose themselves. We have often been their tools and puppets as they’ve made us dance. So let’s dance to their beat for our in reasons and break them down bit by bit through exposing the deceptions of reality, deceptions laid by those who need us now to destroy those deceptions, fully intending to destroy us after we free them from being caught in their own stupidity.
And, thanks for the help that some have already given in peeling enough of the deception back this far to show it for what it is.
Oh, by the way, as you read this, you got side tracked from the original intent and purpose of this thread. Probably got caught up in where it went from its original intent to be about truth in general, any and all truth being accepted here whether true as stated or merely as expression. Please advise and do note that while this has expanded past intentions and has become tldr, that a lot of what it ended on before this paragraph will probably not make its way into this thread, but has the possibility of doing so. Don’t let it stop you from going for the simple truths or simple answers. Even if it seems stupid to ask, it’s not stupid if you really don’t know it or can’t remember it or can’t perceive it for whatever reason. Even the smartest people get tripped up on shit like that.