So you say. But what does any of this have to do with establishing whose set of facts demonstrates one way or the other whether the covid-19 pandemic is a hoax? And how would the expectations of any of us not in turn be a subjective assessment of the facts that are proposed next to all of the facts that there are to be known about the coronavirus? Next to all of the facts there are to be known about the motivations and the intentions [ulterior or otherwise] of those who are reacting to any particular set of alleged facts.
It’s good to see that my little diversion has had no impact on you whatsoever.
As you were.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with increasing spending on the poor, but if the conditions are the consolidation of the economy by government and a handful of corporations, restricting our ability to gather, travel and work, getting our meat from the 3rd world, having to eat bugs or cattle fed with soy, and a cashless society, electronic voting, forcibly chipping and vaxxing everyone, then forget it.
More to point [mine] instead of [once again] making it all about me respond to what I actually posted here:
And to the post above it.
Carleas
Yea but Taiwan’s right next door to China, where as you know Covid supposedly first broke out, and Taiwan continued to have intimate socioeconomic exchanges with China right up until they shut their borders.
- Taiwan has high population density, one of the highest in the world, which helps spread viruses, so I don’t think it was particularly shielded from Covid or viruses in general.
The reason there isn’t many infections or deaths with Covid is because it’s a weak virus and shutting down the socioeconomy is an ineffective strategy for stopping its spread.
For whatever reasons, more people died with Covid in places like New York, Spain and Northern Italy than other places like California, but overall, based on the incoming data, it has an infection fatality rate of 0.03%, that is if you assume the people in nursing homes died of it rather than the myriad diseases and other viruses they had doctors and nurses were pressured to ignore.
There could be different strains of the virus and it has different effects on different population groups due to genetic and environmental factors while still not being strong enough to kill many, if any, just infect and affect certain groups more.
Naw big brother and MSM only show you a modicum of the science that’s out there.
We just talked about that. You answered your own questions.
You’re not interested in what I have to say. That’s obvious because you don’t acknowledge my points and you are constantly disappointed in what I write.
Who needs this kind of discussion.
*The old way… heal the body to cure the symptoms.
*The new way… cure the symptoms and destroy the nervous system, with toxic medicines.
It’s not so much the virus killing the many, as it is their weakened nervous systems letting them down, by being suppressed and therefore disengaged from the body through toxins in our consumerables, and so causing modern illnesses that were not around before - In procuring food additives from all over the globe, the West opened itself up to toxic warfare, which has been going on for a few decades now… slowly suffocating ourselves to death and dis-ease through a weakened NS. I bet Taiwan rarely outsource food additives, if at all.
This isn’t new news, but here we still are, discussing a very serious matter… decades later.
Now this sounds like a hoax to me. 
This doesn’t match what I can find about their response. Their CDC started monitoring travelers from China, and in particular from Wuhan, in December. They started curbing travel to and from China at least from mid February, and quarantined everyone coming into the country from mid March (and earlier for medical professionals). At the same time, they closed schools on February 2, stopped exporting masks, ramped-up mask production, and implemented rationing.
The better explanation for why there haven’t been many infections there is because they acted early and aggressively to stop the outbreak before it started, and they’ve maintained aggressive controls to prevent an outbreak. The better explanation is that stopping it at the border to an island before it’s become a pandemic is easier than eradicating it from a population once it gets in.
And they have had 6 deaths for 429 confirmed cases, a CFR of .14%, or about 5x more deadly than what you claim the “incoming data” is saying (if you could link to your data, or tell us what source you’re using, it would help). And that CFR is crazy low by international standards: US CFR is 5.75%.
That’s not the question. Rather, the question is, given that they have shown you some science, how likely is it that that science is the mainstream, consensus scientific position? And the answer seems to be that it is very likely. In fact, your point that they don’t show very much science supports that conclusion: if the MSM throws a dart at the body scientific, it’s more likely to hit a practitioner who accepts the consensus, because more practitioners are going to accept the consensus.
How has life expectancy changed in the course of those decades? In the US it’s recently fallen, but that’s only happened in the past ~5 years. Prior to that it’s been a steady upward trend. And globally the trend has been even better, with no drop off (pre-COVID, the virus that’s actually killing people).
Go talk to Felix or Karpel or whoever still wants to talk to you.
Yup, medicine use to be more about holistic healing, then it became more about managing symptoms, keeping the sick alive, and dependent, and now it’s gotten even worse, now it’s about depopulation, mass murder, it’s not medicine at all.
If they wanted depopulation and mass murder, then they would not be telling people to isolate and practice social distancing. They would be telling people to go out and mingle so that the maximum number of people get COVID and die.
In fact, their recommendations show an obsession with saving lives even at the cost of a damaged economy.
No way!
Here, when you’ve seen one hoax you’ve seen them all.
Well, so far. 
The fact that Censortube pulled the videos, is another truly alarming event.
Let’s go over it.
They lied from the start. They over-reacted. Two years of economic growth is destroyed. The economic downturn will cause massive harm. New forms of censorship and corruption are rising.
There’s some real evil lurking in the West.
I want to update this post with…
newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backe … _rudd8F5Lw
So, the same FAuci who said the Trump Administration WILL face a disease crisis - see link in this post of mine -
ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop … 5#p2765200
also funded the research of corona viruse on bats in Wuhan. He knew a major infectious disease crisis was coming. He funded a lab in the city where it supposed would start. The lab was studying corona viruses on the specific species of bats that is supposed to be the origin of the disease. The lab he invested in was considered unsafe by two state department officials back in 2018.
For some reason Carleas, but also many others don’t seem to find it odd that we are investing in labs in China that are producing dangerous and potentially weaponized diseases. He even goes so far to brush this off as China is an ally. None of the other coincidences above seem to both him and many others.
How the US government not start looking at the possibility that it was a leak from the lab, starting in December last year, since the government invested money in this lab and those officials who did this HAD to know there was a possible problemw with that lab and what it was working on?
When the 3rd Reich came to power in Germany, they didn’t start putting people in camps right away.
There were 1000s upon 1000s of red flags that lead up to that.
Some people left Germany early.
Others fought or fled after the Reich intensified its oppression.
However, some trusted right up until the end, after it was too late to turn back.
We have to accept there’s a large % of people who’ll trust authority no matter what.
However, in my estimation (of course some would argue with me, particularly those on the radical left), today we’re not in danger of radical religious or fascistic groups coming to power, on the contrary, we’re in danger of radical technocratic and Marxist groups coming to power.
The 3rd reich didn’t materialize out of the aether, there were a lot of things that lead up to it.
Marxists were trying to take over Germany like they took over Russia and much of Eastern Europe and they finally did take over half of Germany after the war.
Millions upon millions of Germans were slaughtered and raped, just as they slaughtered and raped millions of Russians.
The 3rd reich were pressured to do much of what they did.
They were fighting a bitter struggle over the destiny of Germany.
What’s happening now is the public veered a bit more to the right than usual, particularly culturally and socially when they elected Donald Trump in the US, Boris Johnson in the UK, Jair Bolsonaro in Brazil, Matteo Salvini in Italy (who they’ve managed to remove) and others in Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary.
It’s not an accident the public veered to the right, they were sick and tired of the increasingly crony capitalist, neoliberal (culturally and socially center left, economically center right) order established in the 60s, 70s and 80s.
The left started veering more to socialism and the right nationalism, but the public went more with the nationalists than the socialists and this enraged the left.
They couldn’t take it and for the last few years, they’ve been throwing everything at the right to see what would stick.
Unfortunately for them, little did.
The left knows it has no chance of winning an election in 2020 so they’ve gone full tilt batshit crazy.
If this virus exists, it looks like they created it in a lab and released it to use as a pretext to seize power and oust Donald Trump and other nationalists.
A struggle is happening over the destiny of the west and the world.
If it can’t be resolved, if they can’t collaborate or reach a compromise (and it doesn’t look like they’ll be able to, things are already ugly), things could get brutal.
The centrists, the moderates are dissolving, and the extremists, center left and radical left, center right and radical right, are coming out of the woodwork.
Of course a lot of this isn’t happening organically, powerful financiers on all sides are moving the chess pieces around the board.
Sorry gang, it’s not just the tinfoil hat wearing alt right conspiracy theorists anymore, even those right smack in the middle, who we think of as the most sane and sober among us, are accusing the Technocratic Left of fascism (or communism rather).
As the pressure builds, more and more people are taking sides.
How far will the left go?
Is Elon Musk secretly a member of the Klan too (perhaps even as high as Grand Wizard)?
Is Dr. Mercola and Dr. Phil?
Is half the world?
Even many Canadians have had enough.
People chose to self-isolate, then Governments jumped on that bandwagon and took control… like they are now also doing on the matter of to-wear-or-not-to-wear face-masks.
The US, UK, and many other countries will be implementing operation reverse-lockdown from next week onwards… is that not good enough?
Also, tbf… working from home was high on the agenda of many companies and corporations for quite some time now, and most will welcome the opportunity and option.
Weren’t closed borders not cried for, to stop illegal immigration? Now each Country and Continent has the massive opportunity to look after their own and their home affairs… where you see a negative, I see a positive.