Challenge to iambiguous and surreptitious both

[Ecmandu]

Let me take abortion as it is the go to example here

Morality A says that human life is sacred and cannot be violated

Morality B says that female bodily autonomy is sacred and cannot be violated

Morality A and Morality B are in conflict with each other and are therefore incompatible

There is no OBJECTIVE means of determining which one of them should supersede the other

SUBJECTIVE solutions [ Morality A over Morality B or Morality B over Morality A ] are not absolute

Some claim OBJECTIVE MORALITY but the existence of free will means that it can be SUBJECTIVELY INTERPRETED

Also OBJECTIVE MORALITY does not account for the evolutionary origin of morality which means it cannot be objective by definition

This lack of OBJECTIVE MORALITY is why I personally am neither pro abortion or anti abortion as I cannot resolve the two conflicting moralities

And this can be extended from the specific to the general with regard to ALL major moral issues which is why there will always be conflict surrounding them

You didn't even address my argument.

Zero sum worlds that violate consent are evil.

Non zero sum worlds that don't violate consent are good.

Consent is intersubjective for all beings to the extent that it is objective.

[surreptitious75]

Zero sum worlds that violate consent are evil

Non zero sum worlds that do not violate consent are good

Consent is intersubjective for all beings to the extent that it is objective

Inter subjective consent for all beings is negated by free will which means it cannot happen and as a concept it is just meaningless
Also no one is under any moral requirement to obtain inter subjective agreement with anyone let alone everyone less they want to
The best way to achieve a non zero sum world that did not violate consent would be by eliminating free will but this is not possible

[Ecmandu]

Zero sum worlds that violate consent are evil

Non zero sum worlds that do not violate consent are good

Consent is intersubjective for all beings to the extent that it is objective

Inter subjective consent for all beings is negated by free will which means it cannot happen and as a concept it is just meaningless
Also no one is under any moral requirement to obtain inter subjective agreement with anyone let alone everyone less they want to
The best way to achieve a non zero sum world that did not violate consent would be by eliminating free will but this is not possible

You haven't read the thread. Hyperdimansional mirrors solves that problem

[Ecmandu]

My challenge is simple:

Objective good = consensual realities that are non-zero sum

Objective bad = non-consensual realities that are zero sum

I will argue that in the context of being in an objectively bad reality (our current one) objective good is determined by what is more consensual and less zero sum.

[surreptitious75]

You cannot have universal consent because of free will so it will always be zero sum for that reason
You can try to keep zero sum to a minimum but it works better in smaller units like a neighbourhood

[Ecmandu]

You cannot have universal consent because of free will so it will always be zero sum for that reason
You can try to keep zero sum to a minimum but it works better in smaller units like a neighbourhood

If everyone is in their own constructed reality using hyper dimensional mirrors from platonic forms, it's impossible to violate consent.

[surreptitious75]

Explain exactly how consent cannot be violated using these mirrors
Also how long will it be before this is reality not just science fiction

[Ecmandu]

Explain exactly how consent cannot be violated using these mirrors
Also how long will it be before this is reality not just science fiction

Well... platonic forms exist in an eternal dimension outside space time. We are already co-reflecting them with our being. Without such forms, it would be impossible to name motion, like the act of walking or even a mountain. The forms are "walkingness", "mountainness" and even "ecmanduness"

Each form has a signature, such as a form signature or a consciousness signature.

What a hyperdimensional mirror does is reflect the platonic form in an immersive reality.

An analogy is imagine me holding a mirror up to your face and punching your face in the mirror, it's still you perfectly, just in 2 dimensions, and when I punch your face in the mirror, it doesn't hurt your face at all.

Hyperdimensional mirrors do the same thing, but in every dimension.

You can also bend the mirror to change the shapes or nature or frequency of the consciousness signatures being reflected from your being. Changing the frequency of the consciousness signature or form signature will change biological and conceptual age.

The reason we live in a bad reality is that we are co-reflecting in the same reality together... there really are 7 billion eternal forms in this reality together instead of each one having its own reality.

Consensual realities using hyperdimensional mirrors are a matter of raising vibrational frequencies in our being to perfect the system using focus, concentration an meditation.

It's harder for an individual to do it than if everyone on earth wanted it done all at once.

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