Why there is belief in an afterlife

[WendyDarling]

Humans believe in an afterlife because they dont like the reality they are living in

I contend that there is no afterlife for your consciousness never dies? What then? If you think this world is indifferent to your likes, your wants, what about an eternity of places that are all indifferent to your existence?

[surreptitious57]

Humans believe in an afterlife because they dont like the reality they are living in

If you think this world is indifferent to your likes your wants what about an eternity of places that are all indifferent to your existence

What I think of this world is irrelevant because reality does not care what I think of it and imagining different and better realities is not going to change that at all
If you do not like the fact that you are not going to live for ever you should simply accept it as that is all you can do. No one who is dead worries about being dead
That tells me that I should not worry about it either so I dont. I am now as free as it is possible to be because I have no fear of death. Why do you feel the need to
create an imaginary afterlife? Why not focus on the life you have? Or are you afraid that if you discovered the afterlife did not really exist that it would some how
make you a different person? You would still be who you are on a fundamental level even if was a shock to you initially. From what you say here I think you are on
balance way more good than bad so that would not change even if your worldview did. Who one is psychologically and who one is philosophically are not the same

[WendyDarling]

s57,
No one is dead as you said, that's the situation and it means consciousness forever...no rest...no reprieve. There is no imaginary afterlife, just a continuation of this life in a different form. Why does that not compute? Why are you skirting the issue I am bringing up? You will not die as you think. You will not turn to the nothingness of dust, so gear up for more of whatever you are doing to get by for it's going to be done for quite awhile and then another thousand years and another thousand years add infinitude. There is no "out", no exit from this stageplay, it goes on and on, understand?

[surreptitious57]

I see you have provided zero evidence for the afterlife but apparently think I must accept it just because you say so
I dont accept something exists on that basis and as you have nothing else to convince me I have to reject the notion
The only thing that survives after your death is the energy you were made from but you will be dead for all eternity

[WendyDarling]

You have no evidence for what you believe either. That energy that survives is your consciousness, the spark of life, and you will still be...thinking but without your human body.

[surreptitious57]

I do not believe in any thing at all because I have no need for belief. I do however think death is eternal because there is zero evidence to suggest otherwise
And the energy that survives after death is not consciousness but simply physical energy. The notion that consciousness can survive death is just pure wibble

[WendyDarling]

Boy are you gonna be surprised! Remember (don't forget again, damn it!), I told you so!

[surreptitious57]

Do you think that I am going to be surprised by something you think is true just because you want it to be
I am too old to be surprised by anything but I am planning on staying dead forever when I leave this world

[WendyDarling]

Good luck with trying to will yourself out of existence!

[Erik_]

Knowing God directly is better for me. God is not only about love...he is about all of the emotions for he created them all. Are you refuting the Old Testament Erik?

I am not refuting the Old Testament. God clearly was there for the Israelites in a special way. God did lead them out of Egypt and made them His chosen people, but I simply reject certain elements of the Old Testament stories, due to them not being of the nature of God.

God is love. It is one of the most important aspects of who He is.

[WendyDarling]

What other aspects make God who he is?

[surreptitious57]

When I am dead I will have no will but as I will have no need for one by then then it is not really a problem
I cannot will myself out of existence even now when I do have one and so either way it makes no difference

[WendyDarling]

Sorry, but you are going to live forever s57. God kept his word and killed no one to my knowledge. Sure their human flesh bag dies but their conscious soul lives on.

If you knew that you weren't ever going to die, how would you make the most out of living? Human life defines time which keeps eternal beings sane.

[Erik_]

What other aspects make God who he is?

His Holiness (which emanates from His love), His Justice, His omnipotence, and His never-ending glory.

[WendyDarling]

I'm eternal too. And boy am I exhausted.

[WendyDarling]

Sharing your goodness is being just...justice.

[Arcturus Descending]

What other aspects make God who he is?

His Holiness (which emanates from His love), His Justice, His omnipotence, and His never-ending glory.

Hi Erik,

How are things going for you?

What do YOU mean by God's Holiness here?
What do YOU see as God's greatest attribute or aspect?

[WendyDarling]

Actually, God's highest, greatest power resides in Peace and it is an emotion made up of Love and Joy. His holiness or wholeness is found in his Peace.

(I am such a budinski. )

[Erik_]

What other aspects make God who he is?

His Holiness (which emanates from His love), His Justice, His omnipotence, and His never-ending glory.

Hi Erik,

How are things going for you?

What do YOU mean by God's Holiness here?
What do YOU see as God's greatest attribute or aspect?

God's Holiness is His being set-apart from all that is toxic, vulgar, and evil. This being set-apart is based in His love, His love for what is beautiful and good. When you love what is beautiful and good, you will naturally avoid, or set yourself apart from what is toxic, vulgar, and evil.

God's Holiness (being set-apart) emanates from His love, His love for what is beautiful and good.

God's love is His most important aspect.

[Arcturus Descending]

Actually, God's highest, greatest power resides in Peace and it is an emotion made up of Love and Joy. His holiness or wholeness is found in his Peace.

(I am such a budinski. )

You can feel free to butt in whenever you choose, Wendy.

I think that for many Peace would be God's greatest attribute. You would share that with them.
But I seem to think that it also depends on each individual ~~ what it is that they value most and desire most.
It's a highly personal thing and i don't think that we all share the same sense about that.

For me, though, I am an agnostic, it would be God's creativity and God's inner beauty which shows in nature and the universe.
For others, it would be omniscience or omnipotence, ad continuum. God is our oyster.

I think that we can say: God's greatest aspect or attribute TO ME but I don't think that we can assign OUR intuitions and feelings about our personal relationship with God to others, Wendy.

[WendyDarling]

He created all. How is he set apart? He favors some creations over others as he favors Jesus over Lucifer, but God is not only beautiful and good even though he favors those qualities.

[WendyDarling]

Thanks Arc, but God's height, the pinnacle of Heaven, it is not my opinion, it's my experience in astral projecting.

[Erik_]

He created all. How is he set apart? He favors some creations over others as he favors Jesus over Lucifer, but God is not only beautiful and good even though he favors those qualities.

God is good and that which He creates is also good.

The devil was an angel originally, but decided to become evil.



God is set-apart from all toxicity and evil.
Good people will naturally avoid hanging out with toxic people, such as violent criminals (unless they are trying to bring them to Jesus). God is set-apart from toxicity and evil on an even more infinite level.

[Arcturus Descending]

Thanks Arc, but God's height, the pinnacle of Heaven, it is not my opinion, it's my experience in astral projecting.

But this is just what I am saying here Wendy.

It is an experience unique and special to us individually.

Wherever our experience of God takes place or takes us, within our own minds and souls, whether it is in your astral projecting, Wendy, or my looking up at the sky and the stars in utter amazement and wonder, or reading the words of a Keats or Shakespeare, or another experiencing it in the most logical and beautiful (to him/her) equation, it is STILL our very own unique and highest personal attribute of God.

We are all touched in different ways and I do not think that it can be a good thing to infringe what qualia, intuitions and epiphanies we experience through this God onto other people. We can share them, they will or will not be enriching, but why would we want to put a square into a circle?
They both have their own place in existence.

That to me is one of the very things which gives religion and spirituality a bad name.,

[WendyDarling]

Thanks Arc, but God's height, the pinnacle of Heaven, it is not my opinion, it's my experience in astral projecting.

But this is just what I am saying here Wendy.

It is an experience unique and special to us individually.

Wherever our experience of God takes place or takes us, within our own minds and souls, whether it is in your astral projecting, Wendy, or my looking up at the sky and the stars in utter amazement and wonder, or reading the words of a Keats or Shakespeare, or another experiencing it in the most logical and beautiful (to him/her) equation, it is STILL our very own unique and highest personal attribute of God.

We are all touched in different ways and I do not think that it can be a good thing to infringe what qualia, intuitions and epiphanies we experience through this God onto other people.

That to me is one of the very things which gives religion and spirituality a bad name.

Then there should be no Bible or preaching, but I don't see you telling anyone else even yourself not to share their experiences, your only getting on my case, why is that?