Absolute Randomness

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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:17 pm

The thought just occured to me that a lot of you guys are getting some years behind ya, and I'm wondering if somebody should make a personal eulogy thread where you guys can make your peace with the forum.

I mean what r we supposed to do if one of yas just drops dead one day and we're waitin around for ya to post? See what I mean? We need a thread like this so somebody oughta make one.

But let me be clear. I don't want this to be a farewell thread because ILPers don't go out like that. We r eternal, and ILPers never say goodbye.
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:33 pm

Well shit. I can't zoom out wide enough to get the whole stage set and I ain't bout ta rearrange the frickin living room furniture to make it work. I tried man, but my gear is too low budget.

Happy birfday, Theodore Robert Bundy. We miss ya, buddy...
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 11:49 pm

... we can't forget Spinz. Happy birfday, B!
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby MagsJ » Thu Nov 25, 2021 12:06 am

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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby derleydoo » Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:37 am

promethean75 wrote:Lol I just caught Tucker red handed in a lie. He said that the statement 'the cops were chasing the parade dude' is a lie.

I just got done watching the unedited video of the parade on kaotic.com and literally saw the cop cars speeding after him, as well as audio of a cop describing the dude as he pursued him.

Not that it matters, really. Not a critical detail. Just that Tucker is full of shit.


Perhaps it matters - if the police were aware that there was a parade passing through town.

If they were equipped with that knowledge - the knowledge that a number of people would be marching down the middle of the high street, with onlookers on either side of the road... Well, some might argue that it would be most unwise to engage in a car chase, at that particular moment, heading in that particular direction.

Contributory Negligence? Accessory to (what charge does the driver face?)
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:29 am

Of all the workers in a vaccine manufacturing facility, which ones know about and/or create the secret special sauce that is designed to DESTROY US? Are they all in on it?

And since the dynamics of mRNA - how it interacts with the cell - are well known by geneticists all over the world (many of which are independent) who peer review all the data, would somebody who wasn't 'in on it' know whether or not a secret special sauce could be made, and how it would work?

The process is fairly simple and well known. Molecules pass into the cell's cytosol and trick the ribosomes into producing identical spike proteins that are pushed to the surface of the cell. Patrolling immune cells passing by notice the spike protein and are like 'yo check this nigga out right here. Let's get em, boys!'... and the calvary gets called in. Pretty simple. The thing is, the cytosol compartments where this spike protein production occurs is separated from the cell nucleus by membranes. So, to be able to tamper with DNA, it would have to get past these membranes.

Now wouldn't all the geneticists not 'in on' the secret special sauce, know if DNA tampering were possible?

I'm sayin how do you keep this a secret?

It's like physics. Say yer boy Einstein figured something novel out about an electron. He's the first to do it. But wouldn't all the other physicists figure it out and understand the novel discovery, right behind him?

I'll tell ya why I won't get the vaccine. I won't get it because I feel like it would tax my immune system and force it to labor unnecessarily when my immune cells are chillin in the cut. I don't wanna get em all up at arms unless I need to... and the stats say that if I catch the shit, my chances of getting beat are reeeely low.

But I'm not not getting the vaxx because I believe it contains a secret special sauce. I just don't see how it could without the entire community of world geneticists knowing about it and blowing a whistle.
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 7:39 am

Derley D, to be honest I didn't stick around long after I caught Tucker in the lie, so I can't be sure what he was trying to get it. But I think his argument would be: you can't blame the cops for forcing this guy to speed down the street through the parade. He's trying to make the freak fully liable for what he did so that the hot pursuit excuse can't be used. I mean regardless, the freak is to blame. I'm not defending him. I'm just pointing out the extent faux will go to to make sure we know that.
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 8:49 am

Imma tell u how we do this. We take blood samples of people who have been vaccinated and then analyze the cellular structures and content to see what has changed, if anything. We do this at intervals with test groups of different ages.

It the shit is causing physiological changes, we should be able to observe those changes over a period of time.

What we need is an underground group of rogue doctors like Blade had.
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 9:00 am

Keter got the vaccine so we'll use him as a study subject. Alright ket, we need you to start a thread in which you will report your daily activities and note any changes in your ordinary behavior, emotional states and physical feelings.

Anything that seems off, we need to know about it. Anything, as trivial as it may seem. Your performance at work, your cognitive functioning, the strength of your erections, everything.
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:52 pm

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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 2:51 pm

Here is a brief (slightly modified) crash course on how to prep yourself for religious thinking/language, so that you will be fully prepared to sit in absolute rapture before your computer screen when you participate in nonsensical discussions about the 'soul' at ILP.

Comrade Rosa Lichtenstein wrote:In relation to this, Hilary Putnam notes the following about modern Philosophy of Mind:

"...[V]irtually no philosopher doubted, from the time of Locke until roughly 1914, that, whatever concepts and ideas were, they were clearly mental objects of some kind. And no large-scale and comprehensive demolition job was done against this particularly wide-spread and influential philosophical misconception until Wittgenstein produced his Philosophical Investigations...." [Putnam (1975b), p.7.]

But, if representationalist theories of mind and language were correct, accounting for communication would become problematic. For example, how would it be possible to explain the meaning of newly invented jargon if it only represents 'concepts'/'images' in its inventor's head? Others may pretend to follow what is said (or imagine they can), but beyond that, what content would there be to any such pretence?

Representationalism thus threatens not just the status of knowledge, it undermines socially-sanctioned meaning.

The communicational model doesn't face such problems. There, meaning emerges from social interaction, not isolated episodes of internalised mental processing. Just as labour creates value, socialisation based on collective labour creates meaning.

Of course, representationalism not only makes it impossible to account for the social nature of knowledge, it creates another spurious conundrum: 'The Problem of Other Minds'. It now becomes obvious that short of a 'miracle' no two individuals could share the same ideas about anything -- even so much as a single "abstraction". Far worse, no one could share the same idea even about the 'same idea', let alone the word "same"!

In contrast once more, by its very nature, ordinary language is communitarian. Only during (but mostly after) socialisation is it possible for human beings to begin to form beliefs about the world, or express them in a comprehensible form (even to themselves). Hence, to state the obvious, children have to be taught language by their parents, carers and peers communicating with them, and training them. Only after they have been successfully inducted into a speech community is it possible for them to begin to represent anything to themselves, or to anyone else, for that matter.

In contrast to this, abstract metaphysical language is individualistic, atomistic and representational. If language were primarily of this nature, communication would be impossible. Language, instead of being a free medium of exchange, would become a prison trapping thought in a solipsistic dungeon. In fact, no thoughts would or could be formed given this view.

Hence, according to the traditional view (in its contemporary incarnation), it is almost as if there were a surrogate, inner bourgeois individual in each head. Indeed, representationalism itself suggests that we all have an 'inner spectator' in our skulls. How else could we make sense of these 'inner representations' to 'consciousness'? What is the point of using the word "represent", and locating this inside each skull, if there is no one there to whom things are represented? If this transitive verb means what we ordinarily take it to mean (that is, if we don't misrepresent its meaning(!) and acknowledge its transitive nature), then the use of this word depends on an homunculus theory of mind.
 
The atomistic nature of representationalism should be plain for all to see since this view of language presents us with what looks suspiciously like an isolated individual -- beloved of bourgeois thought --sat like a permanent lodger in each skull. This oracular, cranial occupier -- who differs from the Cartesian Soul in name alone -– is plainly far removed from the affairs of communal life. Such a recluse would have no need of a public language, nor would it require socialisation. The nature of its 'discourse' (if such it may be called) wouldn't therefore be social, merely internal, esoteric and private.

So, in order for their theory to work, representationalists have in effect had to anthropomorphise the human brain, installing an inner bourgeois social atom in each and every head.

The individual strikes back and is living in a skull near you.
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Thu Nov 25, 2021 6:02 pm

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Re: Absolute Randomness

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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 1:44 am

Okay, I understand why all the old interesting ILP posters might do a drive by, see how lame the forum has become, and keep on truckin. But what I don't understand is why there are no new members. Explain that. In the early 2000s this place was like a veritable symposium, and every day hand fulls of new people registered. So wot's... uh the deal? Is philosophy finally dead, or is it something else? Now yud think that in today's increasingly turbulent world, people would be asking the big questions and want to join a forum and find guys like me to provide wisdom and answers. And it ain't just here; every forum on the map is like a ghost town or reduced to a hand full of regulars who argue the same shit every day. So wtf is going on? I mean the youf today are becoming more and more skeptical toward religion (because god is doing a terrible job if you haven't noticed), so yud think they would seek answers elsewhere... leading them to philostophy.

Is there something in the water? Maybe something astrological going on. Wait a minute what age are we in now?
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Fri Nov 26, 2021 12:47 pm

Get schooled by prom75

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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby iambiguous » Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:52 pm

promethean75 wrote:Okay, I understand why all the old interesting ILP posters might do a drive by, see how lame the forum has become, and keep on truckin. But what I don't understand is why there are no new members. Explain that. In the early 2000s this place was like a veritable symposium, and every day hand fulls of new people registered. So wot's... uh the deal? Is philosophy finally dead, or is it something else? Now yud think that in today's increasingly turbulent world, people would be asking the big questions and want to join a forum and find guys like me to provide wisdom and answers. And it ain't just here; every forum on the map is like a ghost town or reduced to a hand full of regulars who argue the same shit every day. So wtf is going on? I mean the youf today are becoming more and more skeptical toward religion (because god is doing a terrible job if you haven't noticed), so yud think they would seek answers elsewhere... leading them to philostophy.

Is there something in the water? Maybe something astrological going on. Wait a minute what age are we in now?


I once had a comcast technician over to replace my internet modem. He noted my stack of Philosophy Now magazines and it turns out he was into philosophy too. Only on reddit. Then there is facebook and twitter and a zillion other "social media" venues where philosophy can be eagerly reduced down to the lowest common denominator element.

Even here at ILP many use it as just another adjunct of social media.

And now with Carleas missing in action for 2 whole months -- "Last visited: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:05 pm" -- it can only be a matter of time before it ceases to exist.

A shame given what it once was.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby MagsJ » Fri Nov 26, 2021 7:37 pm

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Such pessimism, Iam.. perhaps you should have read more of Carleas’ posts,
..then you’d be better-informed on why he’s gone awol.

He’ll drop by soon.. don’t you worry. ; )
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Tue Nov 30, 2021 11:23 am

As the nation's leading most expert on Ted Bundy I feel it is my duty and obligation to society to monitor the production and dissemination of all Bundy memes on the internet.

In recent months we've witnessed a wave of new YouTube memes (possibly due to the release of Netflix's movie in the last few years), and sexually repressed angry young men all over the world are prostrating themselves at the alter of Bundy once again. We've also seen a high volume of young women fantasizing about teddy again on YouTube in an effort to impress their friends because omg I'm so dark and mysterious, Stacey.

At any rate I'd like to draw attention to this meme, one which I thought was very well done.

This is Ted's actual brother, who's life has been a wreck since, and who has been living in a flatbed truck camper in somebody's backyard. Needless to say, by being Ted's brother during what you hoped would be a nice, simple kind of Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young 70s, one might be in for a very rude awakening.

Compare this excellent video to the typical mediocre 30 second emo memes you find on YouTube made by those miserable basement bound beta males. Random pics of Ted scattered over some horrible emo music. Just look around, you'll find them there.

https://youtu.be/GliuedZdzSw
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Tue Nov 30, 2021 1:16 pm

Biggs, wtf is going on over there at knowthyself!? I haven't been through there in like six months, so I decided to stop by recently and see what has become of the natives. So I'm browsing the usual nonsense about monkeys and Africans there and I see what I think is a reference to me as a 'half breed posting videos of Harris' or some such thing. In the statement he also makes the point that Harris only attacks Christianity and not Judaism in the video... suggesting that Harris is a Jew zionist or something? I dunno. But I do know the subject of debate with Craig was Christianity, not Judaism, and that Harris is as critical of Judaism as he is of any religion. Or maybe HE IS a secret Jew! Gasp.

Anywho i go over there with a Canadian or Brazilian proxy to make him believe pez and phoneutria are still part of his ever dwindling audience... admittedly a cruel thing to do but I am after all the guy you love to hate, so.

Alright well I need to make clear for the record that my ancestry comes from a long line of nobility. I am a fusion of both the original Aryan mad Arab Hashshashin and the naked Celtic druid warriors. My grandmother was like a mentally ill raving female Djinn and my cousin on the old man's Irish side was a fearless green beret in the Vietnam war. And I'm not even mentioning all the other magnificent crazies on both sides. Please deliver this to the gentleman if you please.

I really hadn't thought this fellow would be going on about me all this time in the company of like three people. I'd almost feel bad if I wasn't such a capricious asshole.
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Re: Absolute Randomness

Postby promethean75 » Tue Nov 30, 2021 2:16 pm

Acceptable, but room for improvement.

https://youtu.be/glM-xgXhaEc
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