What it does is what it Is

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:16 pm

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:28 pm

Can anyone honestly say, given the far reach of human understanding, that science can accurately explain all there is to know of the human condition? To say so would suggest an arrogance not even acceptable by major scientists. This sort of thinking is more characteristic of Dawkins, not by Einstein.
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."--Einstein. This aptly apples to Dawkins" assertions of religion--blindness. So we get to the point where we are asked to believe dasein, conflicting goods and how what we believe an afterlife will be as affecting this life are the sole possible ways of interpreting existential awareness or are the only ways one can speak of the here and now human condition. Surely, such descriptions smack of poverty of the intellect or at best spiritual blindness.
My purpose is not to waste time persuading the blind how to see. It is in espousing the freedom of thought available in human potential and natural possibility.
These are not abstract concepts, but here and now realizations.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby iambiguous » Fri Feb 26, 2021 8:49 pm

Ierrellus wrote:You have already typecast me. Please refrain from posting in this thread.


Come on, don't stop there. If you want my disturbing reactions to the spiritual/intellectual contraptions you sustain in posts like this...

Can anyone honestly say, given the far reach of human understanding, that science can accurately explain all there is to know of the human condition? To say so would suggest an arrogance not even acceptable by major scientists. This sort of thinking is more characteristic of Dawkins, not by Einstein.
"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind."--Einstein. This aptly apples to Dawkins" assertions of religion--blindness. So we get to the point where we are asked to believe dasein, conflicting goods and how what we believe an afterlife will be as affecting this life are the sole possible ways of interpreting existential awareness or are the only ways one can speak of the here and now human condition. Surely, such descriptions smack of poverty of the intellect or at best spiritual blindness.
My purpose is not to waste time persuading the blind how to see. It is in espousing the freedom of thought available in human potential and natural possibility.
These are not abstract concepts, but here and now realizations.


...gone forever, ask me to steer clear of everything that you post here at ILP.

That way you can avoid altogether the points I raise here:

No, I inevitably turn discussions of God and religion into exchanges regarding the actual behaviors that people choose on this side of the grave given that which they believe or would like the fate of "I" to be on the other side of the grave.

Or to discussions of theodicy.

Or the efforts of those who do believe in a God or a No God religious path to at least make an attempt to demonstrate to us how they demonstrate to themselves that what they believe "in their head" can be demonstrated to in fact be true. Especially given that there are hundreds and hundreds of conflicting paths out there...and with so much at stake.

Finally, discussions that revolve around the chief component of own philosophy here: the role that dasein plays in forming individual points of view about God and religion.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Sat Feb 27, 2021 1:21 pm

Iamb,,
Yes. Please steer clear of everything I post at ILP since it only encourages your regurgitation of your personal beliefs. I've heard them ad nauseum. My philosophy is not so much concerned with the other side of the grave as with what we can think here and now about our future on this Earth. Besides I see reincarnation as a more moral human outcome than the old reward and punishment afterlives.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby iambiguous » Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:32 pm

Ierrellus wrote:Iamb,,
Yes. Please steer clear of everything I post at ILP...


No problem. [-o<
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:54 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Ierrellus wrote:Iamb,,
Yes. Please steer clear of everything I post at ILP...


No problem. [-o<

Free at last! Free at last! Great God Almighty---free at last!
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:41 pm

God is physical in acts of creative evolution, metaphysical in projections of becoming.
God is the situation and its cause. Without God there would be nothing.
God is present in one's awe of Nature's bounty and beauty.
God is also present when two or more people of good will come together in one accord.
God is present in the hunger for righteousness.
God is present in experience of God, about which words fail.
God is unconditional, universal Love.
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:24 pm

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"We must love one another or die." W.H.Auden
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Re: What it does is what it Is

Postby Ierrellus » Sun Apr 04, 2021 12:21 pm

The part strives to reunite with the Whole. The God within is a part of the God outside the body of consciousness. Reclamation is God's desire. Spiritual masters recognize the longing for completion as evidence of God's inner Self, the God within. Creation separates to reunite. The individual eye (I) is a part of the whole vision.
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