My Religion

[Pedro I Rengel]

See what's going on there? In the faustian negotiation the devil loses his interest in the soul of the man because he poses no challenge. Now if you imagine that man got rid of his platonic belief in the immaterial, the profane hedonism and simplicity of the man who offends even the devil becomes spiritualized and there is no more sin. The entire dichotomy of good and evil dissolves and places man above the good and bad gods. But the first appearance of ths process of the renaturalization of man is always obscene; we are working and understanding all this already under the yoke of christian interpretation, and the doctrine of materialism is offensive to that.

Ultimately the gods (the devil in this case) are reduced to an anthropomorphic parody of human quibbling and negotiating. How silly the faustian allegory can seem under these terms.

But the genealogy of "materialism" and material itself is traceable to religious thought.

You don't find ground not because it isn't there, but because you don't look in the right place.

Indeed, a renaturalization of man is a rereligiousizaition of man.

Unless you have achieved Zarathustrian level enlightenment. And you haven't.

You don't even know your way in or out of the labyrinth. Even though you play a mean guitar.

[Pedro I Rengel]

My God is the God of chaos, without Chronos no other gods would of ever existed. Primordial chaos birthed this planet and when this planet eventually dies along with all life as we know it primordial chaos will reclaim it once again. The natural state of humanity is chaos, so much so that when we try to install order through human will more chaos is always the direct result.

Chaos is always prevailing, it always creeps around stalking human beings in all life endeavors, chaos is our true guiding master.

In all the religious or spiritual pantheons of gods and demi gods, chaos gods are always the more honest. The gods of order always the more deceptive or dishonest.

Chronos is not Chaos. Chaos is what produced Chronos.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Some say that Chaos means void. But like, is it possible that the Greek language would be offended at such a puny word as void?

[Pedro I Rengel]

Would a Greek's imagination even held a lack of existence as existence?

No. No they would not. Or they would have. As part of Chaos. Not as Chaos.

[promethean75]

I dont believe in chaos cuz it's just a mathematical construct.

[Pedro I Rengel]

No fool Chaos was a concept before mathematics was.

[Zero_Sum]

I like the void.
And the beings that exist in the void.
Chaos to me is a perspective of things that seem disorderly or random.
But in fact, they are still being determined, just not in a linear fashion.
Chaos is non linear force, which is a more high and true expression of energy.

Maybe I'm wrong though..

I like where you're going with that Dan, the true expression of non linear force.

[Pedro I Rengel]

*sigh*

[Zero_Sum]

I dont believe in chaos cuz it's just a mathematical construct.

It's pre-mathematics, I think of it as a sort of environment to which human beings cannot control. [Where human beings cannot effectively control each other.]

Chronos is not Chaos. Chaos is what produced Chronos.

I've always interpreted him as a chaos god, much of religion relies upon various interpretations.

[Pedro I Rengel]

I've always interpreted him as a chaos god, much of religion relies upon various interpretations.

That's fair enough. But you should know that it's unorthodox.

[Zero_Sum]

I've always interpreted him as a chaos god, much of religion relies upon various interpretations.

That's fair enough. But you should know that it's unorthodox.

Makes sense, I tend to be unorthodox in everything.

[Pedro I Rengel]

I've always interpreted him as a chaos god, much of religion relies upon various interpretations.

That's fair enough. But you should know that it's unorthodox.

Makes sense, I tend to be unorthodox in everything.

Itself that is very unorthodox because in a lot of ways Chronos is the God of orthodoxy.

[Zero_Sum]

That's interesting because I view his son Zeus as being the god of orthodoxy parting ways with his father.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Well "parting ways" itself is a very unorthodox thing to do.

Issa very hard to encapsulate Zeus.

It's fair to say that he is the God of the way things are, but the way things are are not always orhtodox.

[Pedro I Rengel]

I'm gonna add a thing here.

I am now straight up claiming Jewish ancestry from Sephardic roots. I am 100% part Jew.

[Pedro I Rengel]

That's one of the beauties of being South American.

I am part a lot of things.

But in any case, I will now feel addressed whenever anybody talks about Jews. Because I am one.

[Pedro I Rengel]

My mother's last name, Toro, comes from an ancient Jewish city in Spain, tracing its roots back to a settlement under Nebuchadnezzar the Second. When the Reconquista was finally succesful and the Christians took control of the entire peninsula, Judaism was made illegal and many people from that city adopted its name as their clan or family name in order not to have to leave their home.

My line later moved on to the Canary Islands and then, finally, to Venezuela in the XVI century.

My appreciation to this girl for finally helping me see it.

[promethean75]

"Nebuchadnezzar the Second."

I wonder if they actually said that whole name when they talked to that guy... or if they just called him Neb.

It probably took his servants and shit so long to address/answer him formally that he wuz finally like 'yo just call me Neb, man. I got shit to do.'

[Pedro I Rengel]

Hahahahahaha.

I'm sure the actual name was less awkward and it is just a mistake in transliteration.

I mean, who the fuck really knows how Sumerian was spoken?

[Pedro I Rengel]

I'm updating this to Roman instead of Roman Catholic.

It hit me that all the wordiness is unnecessary and Roman is absolutely a religion.

And, of course, also Jew and a kind of +.

But that's all part of the Roman experience. The more the merrier.

So in this sense, we have a claim on the Church, as a church of Rome, and we have the right to claim it back from the Christian subversives.

[Pedro I Rengel]

And by the way I don't want to come off the wrong way about Christians.

Rank and file Christians who are actually religious are a level above, for example, atheists. No matter the denomination, though it is perhaps clearest in Baptists, they have an awareness of the immensity of life, of the immensity and necessity of the divine. They have sacredness in their lives.

So the point here is not to be angsty towards Christians. It is a theological point and, in the case of the Roman church, we do have that legal claim.

[Fixed Cross]

Whoever in this day and age still endures as a Christian has balls. All the weakness has been bled out of Christianity into Marxism.

[MagsJ]

I'm updating this to Roman instead of Roman Catholic.

It hit me that all the wordiness is unnecessary and Roman is absolutely a religion.

And, of course, also Jew and a kind of +.

But that's all part of the Roman experience. The more the merrier.

So in this sense, we have a claim on the Church, as a church of Rome, and we have the right to claim it back from the Christian subversives.

You can call them whatever you want, still don’t make them Vatican-affiliated.

Do you have a problem with others’ religious background?

[Pedro I Rengel]

Hahahahaha ok Mags, look.

I didn't make this up. Any church that identifies as Catholic will be Roman Catholic and affiliated to the Vatican. There is a simple way of checking this. Find a single one that isn't.

[Pedro I Rengel]

I'm updating this to Roman instead of Roman Catholic.

It hit me that all the wordiness is unnecessary and Roman is absolutely a religion.

And, of course, also Jew and a kind of +.

But that's all part of the Roman experience. The more the merrier.

So in this sense, we have a claim on the Church, as a church of Rome, and we have the right to claim it back from the Christian subversives.

You can call them whatever you want, still don’t make them Vatican-affiliated.

Do you have a problem with others’ religious background?

I used to, Christians used to bother me. But I worked on myself and got over it.

Still, the Roman church is a very ancient institution and we definitely have a claim against the Christians, who stamped out many of our traditions, much of our doctrine, and any mention of who we are actually venerating. I don't see why you need the Church of Rome to be a Christian.