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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jun 29, 2020 12:36 am

MagsJ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Maybe that is why the gods faded to twilight...

..to become planets and stars, in the night’s sky.




And through Ptolemy, that magic supplanted the Greco-Roman idea proceeding the Second Covenant between God and Man:


"Magic in Ancient Greece









 



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For the Greeks magic (mageia or goeteia) was a wide-ranging topic which involved spells and evil prayers (epoidai), curse tablets (katadesmoi), enhancing drugs and deadly poisons (pharmaka), amulets (periapta) and powerful love potions (philtra). The modern separation of magic, superstition, religion, science, and astrology was not so clear in the ancient world. This mysterious, all-encompassing art of magic was practised by both male and female specialised magicians who people sought out to help them with their daily lives and to overcome what they saw as obstacles to their happiness.

Practitioners of mageia, the magicians, the first of whom, to the Greeks at least, were the Magi (magoi) priests of Persia, were seen not only as wise holders of secrets but also as masters of such diverse fields as mathematics and chemistry. Associated with death, divination, and evil-doing magicians were, no doubt, feared, and their life on the fringes of the community meant that practitioners were often impoverished and reliant on handouts to survive.




Circe

by John William Waterhouse (Public Domain)

Magic in Greek Mythology

Magic appears in the mythology of ancient Greece and was associated with such figures as Hermes, Hecate (goddess of the moon and witchcraft), Orpheus, and Circe, the sorceress daughter of Helios who was expert in magical herbs and potions and who helped Odysseus summon the ghosts from Hades. Myths abound in tales of magic potions and curses. Just one example is Hercules, who died a horrible death after his wife Deianeira had taken the magic blood of the centaur Nessos and liberally spread it on the hero’s cloak. On wearing it, Hercules was burned terribly and would later die of his wounds. Magic is also practised by many literary characters, perhaps most famously by Medea in Euripides’ tragedy play of the same name.

MAGIC IN THE GREEK WORLD WAS NOT JUST PREVALENT IN THE REALM OF PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS, NEITHER WAS IT RESERVED FOR THE POOR & ILLITERATE.

Who believed in Magic?

Magic in the Greek world was not just prevalent in the realm of private individuals, neither was it reserved for the poor and illiterate. We know that official inscriptions were commissioned by city-states to protect their city from any possible disasters. There were also cases when, as at Teos in the 5th century BCE, the state delivered the death penalty to a man and his family found guilty of harmful magic (pharmaka deleteria). In another example, a 4th-century BCE woman by the name of Theoris received the death sentence for distributing bewitching drugs and incantations. Clearly, the authorities recognised magic as  an activity capable of results and it was not simply the realm of weak-minded peasantry. Certainly, some intellectuals realised its potential for abuse, as in the case of Plato who wanted to punish those who sold spells and curse tablets. Epicurean and Stoic philosophers were another group who battled for the eradication of magic.   





At the same time as official wariness of magic, many private individuals believed in the powers of magic, and farmers, with their dependency on the vagaries of weather, were particularly susceptible to the power of amulets. These would be worn around the wrists or neck, for example, as it was hoped wearing them might guarantee sufficient rainfall that season. Greek amulets may be divided into two broad types: talismans (which brought good luck) and phylacteries (which protected). They were made of wood, bone, stone, or more rarely, semi-precious gemstones. They could also be written on small pieces of papyrus or a metal sheet and carried in a pouch or small container, or merely consist of a small bag of mixed herbs. There were also particular shapes which were viewed as auspicious to carry around in miniature form: a phallus, eye, vulva, knots, Egyptian scarab, and a small hand making an obscene gesture. Some of these amulets are still widely used today in Greece (the evil eye) and southern Italy (the cornicello horn).  



Greek Amulet Invoking Apollo



Amulets were worn, for example, to cure a physical ailment, as a contraception, to win a sporting competition, to attract a lover, to keep away robbers, ward off the evil eye, or to protect the wearer from any bad magic that might be directed their way. Often to make an amulet work one had to invoke the gods (especially Hecate) or make certain utterances such as nonsense or foreign words believed to have a magical power. Amulets were not limited to persons either, for walls, houses or even entire towns could have their own amulets to protect them from any negative occurrences.

Curse Tablets

Curses (agos, ara, and euche) were a means to maintain public order through the threat of magical punishment for behaviour detrimental to the community, especially crimes such as murder. They were also seen as a way to cause harm to one’s enemies. A curse tablet most often took the form of a sheet of metal (especially lead) inscribed with the curse which was then rolled or folded, sometimes nailed shut and buried in the ground, tombs or wells. Pottery sherds, papyri, and pieces of limestone were similarly inscribed. A second form was as wax or clay figurines made to resemble the victim of the curse. These have their limbs bound or twisted and were sometimes stuck with nails or buried in a miniature lead coffin.








It is interesting to note that while magicians in mythology are often female the records of curse tablets and spells typically indicate a male user. Curse tablets were mostly used as a means to settle disputes in one’s favour. The first record of them dates to the 6th century BCE and they cover such topics as business deals, relationship problems, legal disputes, cases of revenge, and even athletic and drama competitions. There are instances in Greek literature where entire families and dynasties are cursed, perhaps the most famous being Oedipus and his descendants.  

Magic Spells

The Egyptians had long used spells (really better described as a list of instructions to follow) and incantations written on papyri and the Greeks continued the tradition. Surviving Greek papyri concerning magic date to the 4th and 3rd century BCE. They cover such instructions as how to get over physical ailments, improve one’s sex life, exorcism, eliminate vermin from the home, as parts of initiation ceremonies, or even how to make your own amulet. Recipes and poisons frequently appear too, which often used rare herbs and exotic ingredients such as spices and incense from distant Asia."   














Magic in Ancient Egypt



The Oxford Handbook of Hellenic Studies



Cartwright, Mark. "Magic in Ancient Greece." 


Now what can this be driving at?



It's out a limb. But some merit found in supposing that Egyptian magic, had some connection with the unfolding and conflation with Greek thought, to form an image, of long held slavery, slavery to and through outworn images that set in an unwarranted stone, ...
that graduated to and through a similar fade to a new grey.

The two covenants are neither separate or together , they exist in the n ether world of an archaic plane, of possibility.

This plane is regressive toward a singularity.
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Re: Vampire

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Re: Vampire

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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Thu Jul 30, 2020 3:29 pm

Why hide, Jeckill?
Said the interrogator?

Why hide?

The girls are beautiful

He flew in wings flapping into the vast inner reaches of the cave.

The darkness, the stench, the ages burrowing into the rock formations.

Gold and silk, and silver braided together, finely thrashed here and there, as if by careless design.

Hide. The girls are not beautiful. They are unseen within the folds of the embedded roots, of primal forests overhead.

And the they clasped into the usual, he strong armed her into submission.

The wings , delicately veined, turned into stupor, and everything was deathly silence.

Jeckill protested no more, the bite deeply planted and the spurt, ejaculated seven like with a scarlet passion.

And Jeckyll, ever so slightly , with a whip of tantalizing , instead of protesting remittance: but oh,

It was not merely that, times three, it was the coup d'grace, the ultimate disgrace of the catholic travesty
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Wed Aug 19, 2020 9:18 pm

The sadness :



Sure he says , who needs enemies to placate the NEED, with blood curling snorts turned to whimper, she goes:


"So glad u out of life. Child, cause thats all you really are, and let'so really show through the vivid depravity of tje soulless beast, admonish beauty, so no go on, hush into the eternal ice blue fire of hell's charity.




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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:19 pm

Class privilege is the key issue in Mark Fisher's essay “Exiting the vampire castle” (crossposted at OurKingdom here). He wants his argument to act as a clarion call for recentralising class in authentic leftist politics. Class analysis, he feels, is wrongly lacking in a movement that – now entirely relocated to Twitter – has been taken over by liberal, university-educated, po-faced feminists, anti-racists and queers whose only real political commitment is to their own advancement. It's a “Vampire's castle” in which nice leftist men like him are unfairly torn down by a hegemony of capitalist liberals masquerading as revolutionaries.

But in arguing this he replicates exactly the mistakes he says he's against. Here's what he got wrong:

1. People using intersectional approaches have already, repeatedly, refuted the “class is the most important oppression” argument. Exactly the same goes for any "x is the most important oppression" argument. 

As Fisher has clearly followed Twitterstorms of the past year (I wish I hadn't) he must have heard the term “intersectionality” somewhere. Nobody has stopped talking about class, they've just continued to insist, as they have been for decades, that class analyses take into account intersecting forms of oppression from which it is indivisible, like sexism, like racism, like homophobia, like transphobia.

But Fisher takes it further. He doesn't just think that the Twitter-critics are essentialists, or bullies. He also equates feminism (particularly, by implication, black feminism) and queer politics, trans* politics, disability politics - all of which are broad, multifarious fields of thought and action - with liberalism. This isn't just insulting, it's factually incorrect. Intersectional feminists are explicitly not liberal feminists: that is the whole point of intersectionality.

2. Russell Brand is still sexist even if he is also working class and funny. These things can co-exist.

However hilarious and inspiring you might think Russell Brand is, he has so far failed to extend his new-found revolutionary standpoint to women. Read Laurie Penny's excellent discussion of this here.

It comes down to this: being working class, or funny, or clever doesn't make it ok to be sexist. Fisher describes Brand's reaction to being accused of sexism, “I don’t think I’m sexist”, as displaying “exactly the kind of good-humoured humility that was entirely lacking in the stony faces of those who had judged him”. Well, sorry for not finding Brand's unapologetic sexism the massive jape Fisher seems to think it is. Somehow the everyday experience of misogyny makes another experience of misogyny a bit less hilarious. Fisher's apologism on this front isn't exactly shocking, but it is tiresome and ill-informed. Let's stop idolising Brand now; it's getting embarrassing.

But is this what Fisher means when he blasts “moralisers”? Am I, with po-face and angrily pointing finger, “making people feed bad”? On to the next point.

3. Any social critique Mark Fisher finds difficult is rejected as “moralising”.

Fisher is really keen on the term “moralising” as a way to discredit stances he doesn't like, without having to engage with them. In just one article, he repeats [my bolds]:

“...the way in which they were personally vilified and hounded left a horrible residue: the stench of bad conscience and witch-hunting moralism”

“...i.e. nothing to do with the sour-faced identitarian piety foisted upon us by moralisers on the post-structuralist ‘left’”

“The moralising left quickly ensured that the story was not about Brand’s extraordinary breach of the bland conventions of mainstream media ‘debate’”

“For the moralisers, the dominant story was to be about Brand’s personal conduct – specifically his sexism. In the febrile McCarthyite atmosphere fermented by the moralising left, remarks that could be construed as sexist mean that Brand is a sexist, which also meant that he is a misogynist.”

“Where a few months before, I would have stayed silent as the PoshLeft moralisers subjected Brand to their kangaroo courts and character assassinations…”

“...class has disappeared, but moralism is everywhere”

All in all, Fisher uses the term “moralising”, or a variant of it, nine times in his article. But who are the moralisers Fisher so decries? Who are the awful people subjecting the left to “bourgeois modes of subjectivity”? Who are the people creating the omnipresent sense of fear and guilt he describes?

Oh, it's the anti-racists. The feminists. The queers. The people who are working class but don't happen to be white men. It's the oppressed groups who fail to find much to laugh about when faced with repeated leftist male complicity in their oppression (see: the Socialist Worker's Party). By painting people who experience other forms of disadvantage than Fisher does as unfun moralisers, he can handily refuse to think about these interlocking, sophisticated forms of critique.

Where I agree with Fisher, to some extent, is that Twitter means an overwhelming heap of criticism can land in the @-column of an unsuspecting columnist who thought they were writing progressive stuff. I'm sure that's a tough experience. It does sometimes amount to bullying. But the problem for the commentariat (who appear to be the only people in Fisher's vision of the left) is that bullying is generally something the more powerful do to the less powerful, not the other way round. I think there's a useful discussion we still need to have about this, along the lines of it being ok both to make mistakes and to call out mistakes. I agree that we shouldn't “condemn” people for one misguided phrase in an article. But I can't engage with this worthwhile discussion via Fisher's piece, saturated as it is with exactly the kind of identitarian name-calling that he says he's against.

4. Fisher can't decide whether he likes queer approaches to identities or not

He says: "Instead of freezing people into chains of already-existing equivalences, the point was to treat any articulation as provisional and plastic. New articulations can always be created. No-one is essentially anything."

This is a queer insight of the kind that the Fisher condemns earlier in the article as "sour-faced identitarian piety foisted upon us by moralisers on the post-structuralist ‘left’" - but he misunderstands or omits the crucial point that the plasticity of identity (or identifications, if he prefers) doesn't stop people from experiencing oppression as if identities were essential.

I may or may not identify as a woman but I certainly experience misogyny as one. Men may not be misogynist by essence, but we all – of all classes and genders and races - live in a patriarchy and our attitudes are shaped by it. This means a constant process of re-evaluating and challenging our behaviour. It means that while a queer aim might be “not to be defined by identitarian categories”, for as long as societies assign sets of identifications to us denoting social privilege, we aren't post-race, post-gender, post-sexuality, or post-any other identity-set. While identities are still used to oppress, we can't pretend we aren't defined by them.

This is also what the much-derided process of privilege checking is about. It isn't just a phrase to beat other Twitterers over the head with, as Fisher thinks, its a way of calling attention to the complex interplay between someone's socially constructed but often non-consensually assigned identifications and their opinions. It's a way of questioning claims to objectivity or neutrality – which historically, for a change, have been the preserve of men.

Angela Mitropoulos sums up the point excellently: “I do not see how Mark can, on the one hand, rail against “identitarianism” and “essentialism” while, on the other hand, offer a concept of class that is nothing more than identity politics—in this case, the identity politics of white men, and their rights to go about their enjoyment, their entitlement to treat others as they wish, unhindered by criticism. His entire definition of class is threatened if it includes gender or race, which is bizarre—though perhaps no more so than characterising critics of Brand and Owen as residents of “Vampire’s Castle.”

5. The irony of a male writer using the term 'witch-hunt' to argue against feminist criticism

Let's not forget that the witch-hunts were predominantly a genocide against women. Ditto for “McCarthyite” used against queers. It's almost a parody of itself.

6. Vampire castles seem like a better place to be

Fisher conjures visions of a world full of angry feminist vampires shouting “CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!” at poor, unsuspecting, powerless, innocent, white leftist men who are hesitantly tip-toeing through the castle on their way out. A vampire-archy, if you will. He means it as a powerful warning against the present state of things. The image works because it's sexy-scary (remember Twilight?) and is also an allusion to Marx, as white leftist men love referencing Marx.

But with a cape-tip to a social media discussion (uh-oh) between some of my favourite moralising feminist activists, I know that I'd rather be inside a castle built large enough to accommodate a potential solidarity between every oppressed group, with enough space to acknowledge common and differentiating identities, experiences and actions for change. Bring on the vampire revolution.

(For further reading, here are links to some more eloquent, considered responses than mine: here, here and here)

What About Teh Menz? Depression, alienation, toxic masculinity and the far Right

Does Jordan Peterson or the Fab Five of ‘Queer Eye’ have the best lines? Have ideas of manhood and capitalist competition taught men life lessons which make them miserable? What do the far Right and progressive activism offer to unhappy men?


This is an example of reverse politics, of the kind emphasized the politics of neo-kantian narratives , with a kind of signification as a foreseeable prophecy..

This kind of politics signifies more experience as politically manufactured , then it's reverse : . the experience of politics of a shared process, .....

The former tends to shut focus on the interior, the consumption of the one from the psychic vampire.

The insolubility of the vampire is unfortunately based on a systemic insecurity of it's host

That may not even turn on moral of ethical distinction, but on the perception of power motives, as such can gain foothold on political equilibrium
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Re: Vampire

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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:01 pm

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A vampire’s worst nightmare.. Halloween being cancelled this year. Quelle horreur :o

The ensuing shorter days, are a welcome reprieve, from the now-post short Summer nights, of which I appreciate more than ever.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:21 am

MagsJ wrote:-
A vampire’s worst nightmare.. Halloween being cancelled this year. Quelle horreur :o

The ensuing shorter days, are a welcome reprieve, from the now-post short Summer nights, of which I appreciate more than ever.




Indeed.



Are You planning something special later on?


The winter solstice is a vampire's delight. No other night is longer and no day shorter. But it also means the subsequent days get longer.

This year's winter solstice will occur at 11:48 p.m. ET Monday (04:49 GMT Tuesday). At that moment, the sun will be directly overhead at 23.5 degrees south latitude, and the Earth's axial tilt will be as far from the sun as possible.

When the celestial fireball finally makes its appearance in the northern hemisphere it keeps a low profile. On the winter solstice the sun follows the lowest path of the year in the sky of the northern hemisphere.
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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:15 pm

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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:01 am

MagsJ wrote:-
A vampire’s worst nightmare.. Halloween being cancelled this year. Quelle horreur :o

The ensuing shorter days, are a welcome reprieve, from the now-post short Summer nights, of which I appreciate more than ever.




I would like to do something at Winter's. Solstice, but miss Holloween most, as You do, this year, for that night I could finally be myself.

And masks would liberate !
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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Wed Sep 16, 2020 3:27 pm

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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:12 pm

MagsJ, all fakery discounted by now, being absolutely on the level to connect the largess of the gap between the Vampire, and his often associated psychic element, tends to portray him negatively. In terms of covering some diffuse self parody or other.

But au-contraire, the immortality to be gained transcendentally far outweighs the moral , blood letting implications of temporal, cave like existence of archaic times.

The cover has risen from that grave like stupor unto the more specious realms of the spirit, and the masks of those times out function the covid19 masks of today.

The vampire strikes back would be a better eulogy for outwirn, depleted bodies..



MagsJ, would have loved to see the erased parts, following, course I do that often, ....
Maybe a change of course, or getting up for the night?

At any rate there is still some privacy between vamps.


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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:28 pm

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Re: Vampire

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Re: Vampire

Postby MagsJ » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:57 am

..a bottleneck of thoughts, from the last few days.. buffered, but now released, into the akashic record of time and out into the mental plane of pure thought. Does the mind seek it, or it seek the mind, though?

Meno said: “MagsJ, all fakery discounted by now, being absolutely on the level to connect the largess of the gap between the Vampire, and his often associated psychic element, tends to portray him negatively. In terms of covering some diffuse self parody or other.”

-it wasn’t the audio, but the visual aesthetic, that I posted the video for.. reminiscent of a church graveyard I used to find myself in, on occasion, when young.. where the priest did John Wayne impressions, and the graves, used for hide-and-seek, with kin.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:42 pm

MagsJ said,

"wasn’t the audio, but the visual aesthetic, that I posted the video for.. reminiscent of a church graveyard I used to find myself in, on occasion,"


Its like a comedy of errors, for the playing field is supplicant to my own corrected viduals, as a metafor, leading to the hopefully more complete metamorphosis, for of course literally non obliging, but me, analogous to the bat's blindness, find myself needing to cover the interchange, so sorrily decided by the continental oceanic gap.

Cover that, kindness, of which in case of vampires and bats, could instill some measure of impression between the literal and the imaginary.


Leave at that, but so that sorrily miss especially the dark room with what appears as a faint small figure sitting by. a table, faded into the background , a contextual mix.
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Re: Vampire

Postby Meno_ » Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:44 pm

Meno_ wrote:MagsJ said,

"wasn’t the audio, but the visual aesthetic, that I posted the video for.. reminiscent of a church graveyard I used to find myself in, on occasion,"


Its like a comedy of errors, for the playing field is supplicant to my own corrected visuals, as a metafor, leading to the hopefully more complete metamorphosis, for of course literally non obliging, but me, analogous to the bat's blindness, find myself needing to cover the interchange, so sorrily decided by the continental oceanic gap.

Cover that, kindness, of which in case of vampires and bats, could instill some measure of impression between the literal and the imaginary.


Leave at that, but so that sorrily miss especially the dark room with what appears as a faint small figure sitting by. a table, faded into the background , a contextual mix.





Why is Dracula the strongest vampire?
Like all vampires, Dracula's powers grow stronger with time, age, experience, and the consumption of human blood. He is even shown to be more powerful than Hybrids, Enhanced Originals, and even Advanced Originals, or the Beast. ... However, he needs to feed on human blood to sustain that life.
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FOUNDED

5th or 6th century

SPECIES

Vampires

LOCATION

Europe, headquartered in Hungary

The Old World Coven is the oldest coven of Vampires that is located in Europe. The Coven likely had a different title before 1873, when the cities of Buda, Pest and Óbuda were united to form the city of Budapest.

History

The Old World Coven was formed in the 6th century, as the Vampires began to take action against a powerful enemy, the bestial Werewolves who sought to destroy all in their path. When Hungarian warlord Viktor agreed to wage war on the Werewolves on behalf of Marcus Corvinus in return for immortality and turned his army into the first Death Dealers, the foundation for a society was laid. Under the leadership of the three Vampire Elders, this society grew and rules were established. Thus, the Covenant and the Coven with it were conceived.

Viktor and Amelia, two of the three Vampire Elders, sought to undermine Marcus's authority, which implies this may have been the primary reason a Vampire Council was formed and The Chain was conceived.

In the third film, taking place in medieval times, a large number of Coven members are seen in a secluded mountain fortress of Castle Corvinus, however, it is unlikely that that was the Vampires' only settlement at the time as Semira is known to have been Regent of the Budapest Coven for an unspecified period of time prior to being sent to the Nordic Coven in 1402 or 1403.

At some unknown point, the growing Vampire Coven would also spread out in branches over the continent, establishing powerbases and extending its reach to countries like the Paris Coven in France and the Nordic Coven in Scandinavia. Later, the Vampires colonized America and established the New World Coven most likely with a base in New York.

By the 21st Century, as seen in the first film, a number of members had gathered at a secluded mansion, but it remains unknown how large a part of the Coven's population they represented. The Vampires in the Coven owned Ziodex Industries and had begun manufacturing synthetic blood.
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