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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby iambiguous » Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:18 pm

I'm sorry but no one here has afforded him more opportunities to take his ponderous intellectual contraptions down out of the clouds and address his points to actual contexts we are all likely to be familiar with.

I'm afraid that from now on I can [will] only commit more time to him when others are able to bring to my attention instances whereby he actually does abandon his own didactic groots and makes reference to actual human interactions in which conflicting goods are clearly embraced by conflicting assessments of the interaction between genes and memes.
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby iambiguous » Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:56 am

σάτυρος wrote: The Desperate Degenerate believes that philosophy has to be softened-up - feminized – made more accommodating for his feeble spirit. A confusion ensues between innocence and ignorance, so as to produce a tautology that can easily be dealt with by using obscurantism to imitate complexity and profound insight, while the same messages of comfort and salvation are repeated, under the cover of pretentious rhetoric, pretending to be saying something only the few, chosen, can glean, when the same feminine nonsense is repeated, in repackaged audacity, selling ice to the Eskimo and a heating to the desert dwelling Blasians.


And on and on and on and on in the same pompous pedantic vein.

What still baffles me about bombastic cerebral crap like this is how he and folks like him never seem to be embarrassed by it.

Indeed, all it does is to provoke others like him there to spout the same sort of numbingly abstract didacticisms:

Kvasir wrote:A force of nature which exploits their own degeneracy or stupidity for the purpose of validating a force of strength or nobility is the irony of ironies. One who, instead of remaining as a degenerate, chooses, instead to harness its exploitative power for his own along with the ability to do it, are what are referred to as noble spirits, and what separates the ones of quality from the filth.

There are degrees of truth, some weaker than others, some stronger than others, the degenerates choose to remain in the lower degrees, the bottom end, the noble ones choose the higher. It’s that simple.


All I can then do is to ask anyone here who might share these obtuse academic/conceptual accounts to translate them into behaviors that they have themselves actually witnessed in a particular context such they would be able to describe in some detail the sort of things that only a desperate degenerate would do. The sort of things that they would never do.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Wed Feb 05, 2020 1:39 am

well man that's the problem. philosophical language is like a double-edged sword. we have thoughts that wish to convey things in a way that a simpler kind of speaking wouldn't accomplish... and yet the more complicated our statements become, the greater the ambiguity that results in the transmission of those thoughts. pick out a piece from that quote:

"The Desperate Degenerate believes that philosophy has to be softened-up - feminized – made more accommodating for his feeble spirit. A confusion ensues between innocence and ignorance, so as to produce a tautology that can easily be dealt with by using obscurantism to imitate complexity and profound insight"

here are a few of those words that you could say have entire libraries of meaning in them:

desperate
degenerate
softened-up
feminized
accommodating
feeble spirit
innocence
ignorance
obscurantism
profound

imagine being able to catalog every possible way these words could be used and what they could be made to mean. you could draw from this collection an almost endless series of statements, many of which would lead in entirely different directions in the text. if you were ask the writer to stop and define a word, you'd only repeat this request a moment later, and so on, until you finally realized that this whole process was a perpetual moving backward. every writer assumes that his readers know and understand the meaning of the words he uses in the same way. if a reader were to ask 'first explain what you mean with that statement', he'd have to ask the same thing again about the explanation he received. this would never stop, never reach a terminus except at a small set of elementary propositions built from the most basic rules of grammar. but that's the bitch about it; we want to say much more than we are able to say clearly, and we are forced to run the risk of creating this impending confusion involved in any philosophical text we produce.

no but yeah that's the bitch man. philosophical language requires vast generalizations to move efficiently, but contained in these generalizations are whole landscapes of meaning unique only to the person who is using them. good for the writer, bad for the reader. s'why i don't do philosophy anymore. my philosophy is simple: the cat is on the mat.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby iambiguous » Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:58 am

promethean75 wrote:well man that's the problem. philosophical language is like a double-edged sword. we have thoughts that wish to convey things in a way that a simpler kind of speaking wouldn't accomplish... and yet the more complicated our statements become, the greater the ambiguity that results in the transmission of those thoughts. pick out a piece from that quote:

"The Desperate Degenerate believes that philosophy has to be softened-up - feminized – made more accommodating for his feeble spirit. A confusion ensues between innocence and ignorance, so as to produce a tautology that can easily be dealt with by using obscurantism to imitate complexity and profound insight"

here are a few of those words that you could say have entire libraries of meaning in them:

desperate
degenerate
softened-up
feminized
accommodating
feeble spirit
innocence
ignorance
obscurantism
profound

imagine being able to catalog every possible way these words could be used and what they could be made to mean. you could draw from this collection an almost endless series of statements, many of which would lead in entirely different directions in the text. if you were ask the writer to stop and define a word, you'd only repeat this request a moment later, and so on, until you finally realized that this whole process was a perpetual moving backward. every writer assumes that his readers know and understand the meaning of the words he uses in the same way. if a reader were to ask 'first explain what you mean with that statement', he'd have to ask the same thing again about the explanation he received. this would never stop, never reach a terminus except at a small set of elementary propositions built from the most basic rules of grammar. but that's the bitch about it; we want to say much more than we are able to say clearly, and we are forced to run the risk of creating this impending confusion involved in any philosophical text we produce.

no but yeah that's the bitch man. philosophical language requires vast generalizations to move efficiently, but contained in these generalizations are whole landscapes of meaning unique only to the person who is using them. good for the writer, bad for the reader. s'why i don't do philosophy anymore. my philosophy is simple: the cat is on the mat.


And then this part: the cat on the mat is declawed.

The part where I take philosophy here: https://pets.webmd.com/cats/guide/decla ... rnatives#1

Note to σάτυρος: this couldn't possibly be natural, right?
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby iambiguous » Wed Feb 05, 2020 8:54 pm

This post has really got me mystified:

http://knowthyself.forumotion.net/t2293 ... ates#85602

σάτυρος wrote: This is the nature of 'justice', of 'fatalism'...of 'equality'.
A pile of horse shit desperate souls regurgitate and swallow....hoping some of it may stick in the inner lining of their pathetic intestines.


What possible point could he be making here in regard to folks like us being desperate degenerates?

A little help please.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:09 pm

unbelievable, biggs. yesterday your homeboy satyr posted this video... and when i noticed the wolff was in it i thought 'this has got to be the one, man. if anybody is capable of spoon-feeding what socialism is to this guy, wolff is the one.' and i swear to god not twenty four hours later he's back to posting that abrahamonoumenononihilistic nonsense. wtf, man? is it really that difficult to understand? what is so mysterious and disturbing about the thought that working people want to benefit more from their labor? i don't get it; are these idiots saying that this shouldn't ever happen or that it can't ever happen?

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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:33 pm

sarty pants wrote:Dyson's performance is an example of how gibberish, name-dropping and obscurantism, can be used effectively. A word-salad that can befuddle the most intelligent thinker, as Dillahanty is.
Abstractions supported by abstractions, theories used as foundations for theories - mountains of texts with no external reference - in fact negating the experience of existing.
Logos negating Interaction.

This is where nihilists thrive.
All is idealized.

Any concept can be mistreated in the same way.
Like morality.


lol the pot calling the kettle black... or one philosopher accusing another of obscurantism. see the 'logos negating Interaction' - (with the capital 'I' for emphasis... urwrong does that shit too) - there at the end? what the fuck is that if not something that would require volumes of philosophy itself to explain? what if you emailed that phrase to every living philosopher today and axed them to 'explain'. how many different explanations would you get... and which one's would be right? who the fuck knows... but one thing we do know is that each one would blame the other of obscurantism. and they can do this because of the abstract nature of the phrase itself. general rule of philosophical thumb; if muthafuckas can't agree on what such a simple phrase means, chances are it can't mean anything in the first place.

and this is why earlier in some post way back i explained how the concept of the nihilist has been reversed; those who know and accept that the difference between verifiable fact and philosophical emoting not only places the entire enterprise of philosophy into 'idealism', but also scares the shit out of philosophers so much they no sooner recognize it then they would accept it, if they did. and that, folks, is nihilism; imposing onto the world all kinds of abstract nonsense that you'd not be able to make your life meaningful without.

but the 'nihilist'... i mean the one hitherto called the nihilist because he subscribes to no philosophy... is doing the same thing as the genuine nihilist, the 'idealist'... only the indicative mood is much different. he doesn't say 'the world ought to be x' and then present abstract philosophical and/or politically charged arguments as if they somehow prove anything but 'x' would be wrong, or bad, or degenerate, or whatever other pejorative term you wanna use. that's the crucial difference. the genuine nihilist tries to inaugurate his emoting with arguments he believes belong to the natural sciences and therefore have some substance. the other guy - the accused nihilist - does no such thing because he knows it can't be done. these fuckin idealist philosophers are cheaters, man, and they think we existential nihilists ain't hip to it. tell em, biggs. fuckin contraptions. i'll write you a contraption in fifteen minutes and you'll be all like 'wooooow that wuz deep'. pfft.

a house of cards, man. the whole goddamn thing. and i know sumthin about building houses. W wuz an architect too, ya know. it's all about foundations, bros.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby surreptitious75 » Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:42 pm

iambiguous wrote:
This post has really got me mystified :

Satyr wrote:
This is the nature of justice of fatalism ... of equality

A pile of horse shit desperate souls regurgitate and swallow ... hoping some of it may stick in the inner lining of their pathetic intestines

What possible point could he be making here in regard to folks like us being desperate degenerates ?

The suffering of the innocent can be justified through the arbitrary nature of equality that treats everyone exactly the same
That makes no moral distinction between human beings but treats all as being morally equivalent regardless of who they are
A child deserves absolutely no suffering as they are pure of mind but if everyone is equal then that distinction no longer exists

To understand this better go back to the beginning of that thread where he gives very detailed analysis of what exactly a desperate degenerate is
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby iambiguous » Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:52 am

surreptitious75 wrote:The suffering of the innocent can be justified through the arbitrary nature of equality that treats everyone exactly the same
That makes no moral distinction between human beings but treats all as being morally equivalent regardless of who they are
A child deserves absolutely no suffering as they are pure of mind but if everyone is equal then that distinction no longer exists


Nope, still mystified.

A child has a terrible disease. Another child, his sister, comforts him.

Where does this part from the OP....

Dia = via, through, by way of...
Logos = speaking, logic, offering reasons and reasoning.

generate = to produce, to create.
de-generate = to undo what has been generated - to annul what has been produced.


....fit in?

Nature is such that terrible diseases don't make exceptions for children. But: Where does the part about the "suffering of the innocent [being] justified through the arbitrary nature of equality that treats everyone exactly the same" become applicable to the link?

And suppose the children depicted were black or brown or Jewish or autistic or raised by those who do not completely adhere to σάτυρος's own political prejudices regarding degeneracy?

And who decides "who they are" in order to make the politically correct moral distinctions in regard to any context in which the innocent suffer? Of course: only those who grasp the extent to which human interactions here are wholly in accordance with his own ossified assessment of genes v. memes.

And show me instances where he takes his ponderous intellectual contraptions down out of the clouds and, in regard to particular contexts, describes in detail his distinction between "one of us" and the degenerates.

surreptitious75 wrote:To understand this better go back to the beginning of that thread where he gives very detailed analysis of what exactly a desperate degenerate is


Okay, but where does he actually demonstrate experientially, empirically, phenomenologically, existentially etc., that what he believes all rational men and women are obligated to think here has been proven in ways that others are actually able to observe, to test, to make predictions about and to replicate results relating to specific sets of circumstances.

Instead, it is Person A this and person B that. An endless string of posts that amount to little more than obtuse mental masturbation said to be a reflection of "serious philosophy".
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby surreptitious75 » Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:21 pm

iambiguous wrote:
Okay but where does he actually demonstrate experientially empirically phenomenologically existentially etc that what he believes all rational men and women are obligated to think here has been proven in ways that others are actually able to observe to test to make predictions about and to replicate results relating to specific sets of circumstances

That is your terminology not his so he is not under any obligation to demonstrate anything of that at all
His philosophy from his perspective is based upon his own experience so that is what he demonstrates
What you or anyone else thinks about it is not his concern and so it makes zero difference either way
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:45 pm

professor sarty pants wrote:Expanding on why the American system is in a state of turmoil and panic:
The very ideology it used to reduce internal strife and create cohesion in a “melting pot” environment – melting away and integrating different races and cultures; also using this method to corrupt and destroy external threats by undermining their racial and cultural cohesion, via Hollywood and other forms of memetic attrition – has begun to be detrimental to the preservation of dominance on the world stage. Allow me to explain. In the past the U.S. could import brain-power to compensate for the dumbing-down and miscegenation it cultivated internally, as a way of maintaining socioeconomic stability. This internal method was exported, as I said, to reduce resistance to its dominion, ambitiously striving to impose a world-wide Empire using this nihilistic ideology, by eroding the familial foundations and cultural cohesion of resisting peoples. This ideology has now become dangerous, because with quotas forcing sub-standard races into universities, excluding others, and the promoted delusion that the sexes are equally endowed, the U.S. system became reliant on external sources to compensate for the reduction of innovation that keep the U.S. armed forces dominant – importing what it could not cultivate internally.
Women have failed to produce the level of intellectual input that was expected – the lie of gender parity has been revealed as being a product of romantic idealism (nihilism). Furthermore, delusions about racial equality, or the superficiality of racial types, has also proven to be a dangerous error, if not a lie exposed through application. The incoming immigrants from countries populated by races other than Orientals and Caucasians have also proven to be unable to populate the positions of MIT, and other technological institutions, the U.S. relies on to maintain its dominance. Sub-standard races and women simply cannot compensate for the loss of male Mongoloids and Caucasians. Those few that can find their way through the socioeconomic filters, excluding most of them from universities, do not suffice to remain competitive on the world-stage.
China, and more so Russia, is making advances in the field of military technological innovation. There's also the factor of rising standards of living in many Asiatic and Eastern European nations that reduces the amount of minds willing to immigrate to the U.S., or to some other Anglo-Saxon, Judeo-Puritan nation – e.g., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Britain, U.S. – as they once did in the past. Most of the immigrants are now coming from Muslim and African countries (Afro-Asiatic), and for the U.S. from Latino nations; peoples not known for their intellectual prowess and the abstract thinking required to achieve insights. Caucasians in many of these ‘western’ countries have also been dumbed-down and emasculated within their own nations – particularly those dominated by Americanism in the past century, expanding miscegenation and quota based admission standards. All Europe except for eastern countries, once part of the Soviet Empire, are now thoroughly Americanised unable to offer much to compensate for the U.S.'s loss in brain-power.
American Ivy League universities are now dominated by post-moderns cultivating minds that deny basic empiricism – the relevance of differences which is the bedrock of consciousness – so how can such minds ever develop into scientists that can invent new technologies?
A segment of the U.S. elite realized this – perhaps too late to stop the process they started; around the time MRA emerged into the Internet streams, gradually leading to intellectuals like Peterson, and others, sounding the alarm bells.
Trump is a push to stop the self-destructive momentum – for the U.S. Meanwhile in Europe the trend is promoted so as to make it a future protectorate of the emerging American SuperState, unless Russia's Eurasian project, or China, steps in to cut away segments of their own. This is what underlies the current American political turmoil, viz., one segment of the elite wanting to remain on-track towards Globalism through insidious strategies that seem to be working, and another, smaller but well-funded segment, fighting to stop this method because it sees it undermining its own power, just as it erodes that of its enemies. Such weapons of asymmetrical warfare are difficult to control once they are used on the battlefield.
Many of the American elite bought into their own lies, concerning genders and races. Some of them now realize that reality does not give a shit about human theories and desires.
Decades of destroying family cohesion – the bedrock of western civilization – and of promoting the lie that women were just as intelligent as males – able to think outside the box – as were other races the intellectual equals of Europeans, has brought America on the precipice of its own end. The lie, continuously repeated, that social bigotry explains human sexual and racial disparity has been exposed as another form of post-modern propaganda – nihilism is a method of crowd control.
Women currently outnumber males in American universities, and they've failed to replace the loss of creativity required to maintain the U.S. on the forefront of world domination; the delusion that racial differences are a product of social prejudices, adopted, with no doubts, by institutions has failed to produce the innovative brain-power required to compete with other SuperStates that never bought into this lie. Most of this was imposed upon people that know better, under threat of socioeconomic punishment, forcing many to remain silent.
The U.S. is in panic mode. Still running well on the brain-power of the last generation, it sees the next one being the source of its collapse, or the erosion of its Hyper-Power status, which is founded on technological innovations.


jesus christ, biggs, i thought i already explained why all this happened and provided a hypothetical alternative history in which these things wouldn't have come to pass like they have. didn't i already do this? what like four of five times.

now i'm not gonna pick through all the pseudo-science and emotionally charged rhetorical spinning in that shit, but look man, had the russian and chinese revolutions resulted in an international restructuring of government, there would have been a much more gradual process of increasing interaction between the various countries and cultures. all countries would be cooperating globally, which means there would have been an approximately equal rate of modernization and industrialization happening in every country. result; you don't have a bunch of sub-average IQ people swarming the boarders to get out of their third-world squalor. people would be integrating and moving around according to their economic mobility and the demand for their skills and talents... which they'd have because they would be educated and trained. but what happened instead wuz - and we've got to go back even further in history... when the revolution should'a really started - you get a collective of bourgeois europeans who want to start up their own system of parasitism in the western hemisphere... and to do that they had to import a bunch of slaves, as well as make education inaccessible to the lower classes so that they would remain low-skilled wage workers with no other options but to labor. so the entire pool, the entire army of lower-class sub-average IQ minority immigrants running around the world, as well as the native population of workers in each capitalist country, was invented by the european bourgeois capitalists.

then what do they do? the conservatives, i mean. they look at the world and complain about whay they have created. is that not the grandest irony of all time?

but they can't stop the spectre of marxism. try as they might to turn the world into an army of mindless worker-consumers, the seeds of their own destruction were already sowed centuries ago. it just takes some time man, and late stage capitalism is here... so the show's about to begin.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:30 pm

... and his constant emphasis on the 'decline of intelligence' is also a red herring. marginal intelligence scores are entirely irrelevant outside of the applicability of intelligence to, and in, a particular environment. ergo, you don't need to be a da vinci in our modern environments in order to be part of an evolutionarily stable strategy as well as a productive member of society. now it'd be another matter if the human species needed to produce generations of alan turings and albert einsteins in order to function, but is doesn't. modern life is made easier by technology, so you don't have to be brilliant to get along, be happy, an avoid becoming somebody else's problem. 'course it's great if you are brilliant because that gives you a greater capacity, creativity, and potential to get my attention, but we're no longer needing to invent lightbulbs and steam engines and novel cosmological theories. we've reached a period where the great innovations are already done. we are faced with far less theoretical and practical challenges than we once were, so the frequency of genius will naturally be reduced.

so this intelligence problem argument is nothing more than hot air blown about to defend this unrealistic romanticizing of history.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:36 pm

professor sarty pants wrote:I watched part of the Oscars and the Academy Awards, this year. Never again.
I thought I was watching an African award show. Wall to wall blacks complaining about being under-represented, and women spouting-off their post-modern propaganda - a few cuck white boys, doing what they are told, if they know what's good for them.
I wonder if women were the only ones that experienced Weinstein's casting couch.These degenerate have no morals or qualms. All they have are unsatisfied desires, and corrupted spirits.
Negroes have no creativity. All they can talk about is pussy and money...oh and about slavery and racism.


hahaha it totally was like that, wasn't it though? see this is what pisses me off about the dude. we share a very strong consensus about shit like this and our social criticisms are quite similar. sometimes he nails it and i'm like 'yup'... but then when he gets things wrong, he gets them really, really wrong. our biggest dispute is about what has caused this kind of crap to happen and what can be done to fix it... or at least make it tolerable.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Tab » Sat Feb 22, 2020 2:44 pm

If you're talking about satyr, he's a troll. He's not worth the anger, or any other kind of energy, least of all, investment.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Meno_ » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:04 pm

You guys predate me about 10 years . Satyr implies almost mythic qualities for me, quite beyond reach.
Does he possess the third eye, or is stereoscopic vision relate to actual types?
On basis of the above, no alienation or self deconstruction is implied.
Nor fear of making sufficient waves to stir up the pot.
And having said that, a self inscription of 'leftist' could not definitely be drawn.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Tab » Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:12 pm

Pff, mythic. The only eye he has is the one at the end of his penis. Kept in the dark and used mainly to piss through.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:10 pm

Satyr implies almost mythic qualities for me, quite beyond reach.


i don't doubt that. but only because you're the kind of guy who'd call a ham sandwich 'mythic' if he looked at it long enough. and this isn't criticism, man. well it is and it isn't. it isn't because you have such an.... interesting?... intellect that you can make something out of nothing any time you find it. if i asked you to write me something intriguing about a ham sandwich, i'd bet my left arm that you could do it.

but tab, the guy's really not a troll because he's not a 'one-liner' who's only purpose is to disrupt threads and shit. this guy is a career philosophy forum poster who's got a whole drawer of external hard-drives full of writing. trolls don't do that, man.

he's just a mean old sonofabitch that easily offends people, that's all. meaner'na cottonmouth poked with a fire stick.

his best moment online was in an audio in which he did an impression of siddhartha; like this. it was at that moment i realized this guy isn't really an asshole. ... maybe just a little lonely for some good aryan company. so i gave him some... but things went south when he started to get shit wrong... really wrong. and i had to let em go, tab.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Tab » Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:44 pm

You're a better thinker than I am prom, I was going to say 'philosopher' in the place of thinker, but I dunno, philosopher is just such an outdated thing to me. Like saying you're an 'organic cobbler' or something, sure, probably they exist, but you can smell the stench of affectation a mile away. Even 'thinker' isn't right. A collecter, interpreter and communicator of ideas maybe is better. Certainly communicator, and I always thought I was no amateur at that myself.

Flattery aside, I mean that people like you and I are more or less immune to the kind of literary charisma that Satyr possesses, we can read it, not get swept away by its general thrust (allusion intended lol) and weigh its truth or lack of it dispassionately. However, the stuff he writes, which frequently gets treated as gospel judging by the number of sycophants he seems to collect, is poison.

Its like the bullshit snake-oil herbal medicines touted online, containing just enough sciencey-words, or in his case philosophic mumbo-jumbo, to convince the gullible that THIS IS SOMETHING BIG - ALL MAJOR CREDIT CARDS ACCEPTED. The Gywneth Paltrow of the forums.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:54 pm

if i had to summarize the Problem with a capital 'P', i'd just say that he has an unworkable ethos in the 21rst century. and i'm not saying that ethos is bad. i'm saying it won't work. it once worked, but it can't work no more. so what's happening is he's comparing, contrasting and judging affairs and events in the world against a standard that no longer has any jurisdiction in the world we are in. but the bullshit he 'calls out' can often be very much true... only that the cause of that bullshit, as well as a reasonable approach to dealing with it, is more than not, misguided. but it's still bullshit... and one can hardly blame him for his reaction to it.
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby Tab » Sat Feb 22, 2020 8:10 pm

Lol, poor Britney.

Sure, the world is a mess, the talking heads on the media are just chucking shit on the pile, and the only real outrage in the modern age is that we have to pay lip-service these asshats, rather than just line them all up against the wall. I get that. Many palm-prints on my forehead. Much disgust that I even share a species with these whiney fucks. But I don't wallow in the past and pretend I'm a fucking warrior out of Ilium.

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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby iambiguous » Sun Feb 23, 2020 3:03 am

surreptitious75 wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Okay but where does he actually demonstrate experientially empirically phenomenologically existentially etc that what he believes all rational men and women are obligated to think here has been proven in ways that others are actually able to observe to test to make predictions about and to replicate results relating to specific sets of circumstances

That is your terminology not his so he is not under any obligation to demonstrate anything of that at all


Look, when you make arguments accusing others of being "desperate degenerates", then, using any terminology, you are either willing and able to back your words up by noting their use value and exchange value in a particular set of circumstance, or your words [like his words] are only defined and then defended by other words still.

surreptitious75 wrote: His philosophy from his perspective is based upon his own experience so that is what he demonstrates


Really? Okay, link me to posts of his in which he describes in some detail his own personal experiences with others in regard to homosexuality, race, gender and/or conflicting goods we are likely to be familiar with.

surreptitious75 wrote: What you or anyone else thinks about it is not his concern and so it makes zero difference either way


Sure, if, in regard to value judgments, that's the way you wish to pursue philosophy "seriously". You dump your intellectual contraptions on us in post after post after post and make little or no attempt connect the dots between words and worlds.

To witless:

σάτυρος wrote:The Desperate Degenerate believes that philosophy has to be softened-up - feminized – made more accommodating for his feeble spirit. A confusion ensues between innocence and ignorance, so as to produce a tautology that can easily be dealt with by using obscurantism to imitate complexity and profound insight, while the same messages of comfort and salvation are repeated, under the cover of pretentious rhetoric, pretending to be saying something only the few, chosen, can glean, when the same feminine nonsense is repeated, in repackaged audacity, selling ice to the Eskimo and a heating to the desert dwelling Blasians.


You tell me...

How does this enable you to examine your own behaviors in order to determine if you yourself might be a desperate degenerate?

And, then, on top of that, sharing the meaning of the words with him [as a serious philosopher] is just the beginning. You must also agree with him that, should one decide to take these words out into the world and intertwine them in any given sets of circumstances, you back him 100% regarding the good behaviors embodied by "one of us" and the bad behaviors embodied by "one of them".
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby promethean75 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:38 pm

professor sarty pants wrote:Understanding Americanism as a synthesis of Judeo-Protestantism goes a long way into understanding why the world resists the USA and why it behaves in the messianic way that it does.
Catholicism and Orthodoxy were corruptions of Indo-European spirituality, and Judeo-Protestatism is allied in its rebellion against even this corrupted version, desiring to rid the world of any hint of paganism's naturalism, i.e., eradicate the physical (body) as a way of "purifying" mind (god), 'liberating it' from what remains of the phenomenon so as to allow the noumenon to acquire, in their degenerated beliefs, god-like powers.
In McGilchrist contexts the left-hemisphere (emissary) freeing itself from the corrective dominance of the right-hemisphere (master), inverting the relationship to one where it becomes lord and master and it is reduced to slave.
The body is despised and tolerated. Its needs and limitations a barrier to the mind's "divine essence", its god-like possibilities. Rebellion against natural or earthly order.
A seductive theory to the downtrodden, lost, ill, and desperate, acquiring, through quantities, sociopolitical power.


notice he called this "Rebellion against natural or earthly order." oh reely?

i don't think this fellow will ever get it. historical materialism smashes all of this, explains everything, and turns the deterministic forces responsible for this particular linear line of history, right side up, so that we can't confuse cause with effect... e.g., that judeo-protestantism and paganism are inconsequential ideological abstractions that evolved out of and were made possible by very specific societies involved in very specific modes and forms of material life. they are therefore not causes of anything, but emergent properties, 'idealisms' that reflect the dominant intellectual ideas (see gramsci) of the time in which they existed. and because society is always evolving, every new ideology that emerges to reflect the ideas of the time, will be rejected by the old order of ideas that are losing power as society changes against its favor. but one thing is always going on... one primary direction is given to the historical development taking place within societies. ya'll niggas know what that is. and if you don't, you fixin to after you watch these videos.

i ain't posting part one because it's an unnecessary step into hegelian dialectics, and therefore philosophical... and therefore dubious (like that messy conglomeration of crap in that quote above that he's picked up who knows where).



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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby iambiguous » Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:02 pm

Looks like there is a new desperate degenerate over in the dungeon:


http://knowthyself.forumotion.net/t2699 ... ook-inside

I was the chimp when they sent me to the dungeon. This guy is the rodent!!
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby surreptitious75 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:29 pm

Nature is fundamentally hierarchical in structure and that was one of the main reasons why Communism failed [ the other was the psychology of its leaders ]
The idea of a truly classless society is pure Utopia but no Utopian model has ever successfully transitioned from theory to reality as that is simply impossible
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Re: Desperate Degenerate Support Group

Postby surreptitious75 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:06 am

iambiguous wrote:
Looks like there is a new desperate degenerate over in the dungeon

They will probably just leave him there irrespective of whether he becomes bored and stops or just carries on
He was fine till they decided to ban his account for some reason but I only lurk there so I dont know too much
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