Meno_ wrote:Del Overs, -the above is unsupportive in it'self and will bring about further needs for clarification, and we are still at Your first request for such clarification. I can not as yet offer such support without bringing in thematic interdisciplinary unity. Here is a suggestive one:
AGVA FESTSCHRIFT
Shifting frontiers of transcendence in theology, philosophy and science
ABSTRACT
"This article dealt cursorily with developments in theology, philosophy and the sciences that have contributed to what one might call horizontal transcendence. The premise is that humans have evolved into beings that are wired for transcendence. Transcendence is described in terms of the metaphor of frontiers and frontier posts. Although the frontiers of transcendence shift according to the insights, understanding and needs of every epoch and world view, it remains transcendent, even in its immanent mode. Diverse perceptions of that frontier normally coexist in every era and we can only discern a posteriori which was the dominant one. Frontiers are fixed with reference to the epistemologies, notions of the subject and power structures of a given era. From a theological point of view, encounter with the transcendent affords insight, not into the essence of transcendence, but into human self-understanding and understanding of our world. Transcendence enters into the picture when an ordinary human experience acquires a depth and an immediacy that are attributed to an act of God. In philosophy, transcendence evolved from a noumenal metaphysics focused on the object (Plato), via emphasis on the epistemological structure and limits of the knowing subject (Kant) and an endeavour to establish a dynamic subject-object dialectics (Hegel), to the assimilation of transcendence into human existence (Heidegger). In the sciences certain developments opened up possibilities for God to act in non-interventionist ways. The limitations of such an approach are considered, as well as promising new departures – and their limitations – in the neurosciences. From all of this I conclude that an immanent-transcendent approach is plausible for our day and age."
Particularly, the relation between the inner/outer terms of imminance/transcendence are pointed to as inter penetrable.
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Meno_ wrote: Your first question is caught up in semantic complexity..,
Meno_ wrote:Del Overs
Meno_ wrote:..thematic interdisciplinary unity..
Del Ivers wrote:Meno_ wrote: Your first question is caught up in semantic complexity..,
There is nothing complex about it. Any interpretation 'within' symbolic content (not just a dream, anything) is subject to the content's parameters, i.e., the content/symbols dictate the interpretation. Just like when you read the words (symbols) in a novel they dictate the sequence and myriad of characteristics that give substance to whatever the story may be. "Of the content" is different positionally. It's like the interpretation of a critic reviewing the novel, he or she has a different engagement with it. Granted, there are occasions where one can be loose with interpretations but in discussions of this type precision is important otherwise we do end up at cross-semantic purposes.
The reason I asked the question of the difference is because you referenced it to 'absolute mind'. I doubt that anyone knows enough of absolute mind to characterize its phenomena as real or unreal. Unless, of course, you subscribe to the aforementioned Hermetic principle which states that everything is Mind and thus 'real'.
As for the rest of the sentence: "..dissection of hybrid re-presentation between cognitive differentials is sourced in definitions..", that seems like it's referencing it to some kind of dementia. Whether or not that is your intention, I'm not sure.Meno_ wrote:Del Overs
Now there's a perfect example of a positional symbol error yielding an interesting perspective. Even I didn't notice that. Thank you.
Meno_ wrote:..thematic interdisciplinary unity..
Thematic examinations are all good and well but they have to exhibit a core, organizational construct. Much has been said in recent years about cross-disciplinary approaches and it's definitely progressive but there has to be a defined objective otherwise it can become a grab-anything-and-see-what-sticks approach. If you want a collage then no problem,.but if it's a well-integrated resolution that is sought, then you'd better have that core. Following is an example of this and may I add one that refers to what I said previously about, ".. free association modes that makes the sequence of interpretation by the reader a kind of patchwork." in reference to you manner of presenting information.
You and others are probably aware of those little, blank books that you can draw something on, like a stick-man, and on each page you draw the man a little differently than the previous page. When you finish drawing on all the pages you flip them fast and it gives the illusion of the stick-man walking, jumping, whatever. There are times when I will be reading your comments and it's as if the drawings of the stick-man were pulled, shuffled, and then reinserted into the book. The fast-flipping then presents something different. The 'sequence' is there, the 'content' is there, but the 'context' seems a little squirrelly. Nothing wrong with that, but you can see how the interpreter could have a trying time with it.
Just out of curiosity, and respectfully, are you high when you write your replies? Again, nothing wrong with that. Personally, at this time in my life I smoke a little herb maybe once every 6 months or so. Maybe when I do so next time I will come back to this thread and then I'll say, "Ahh, yes, now I get where he was coming from".
Whether the revelation justifies anything, that's another matter.
Meno_ wrote:..is my own earned preference.
Meno_ wrote:That trying to be devoid any emotional attachment..
Del Ivers wrote:So, have you had a dream(s) like that? Did it seem like someone in the dream helped you out not just in the context of a dream situation but more in the sense that they were as aforementioned, out of sync, so to speak, with the narrative of the dream, that as example, it was like you were watching a movie in a theater and then an usher goes up to you and tells you something whereby you had to leave the theater/movie. That's just a quick example that came to mind but I think by now and with what I have related you get the idea.
MagsJ wrote:In my dreams of similar unfolding to your's, I am always ALWAYS ignored..
Del Ivers wrote:For clarification, are you saying that in your dreams rather than a helper, or for that matter anyone, that what you've experienced is no one helping?MagsJ wrote:In my dreams of similar unfolding to your's, I am always ALWAYS ignored..
Is this just in the dream? In life?
MagsJ wrote:Both! both in my dreams and in real life.. my dreams always being reflective of my reality.
MagsJ wrote:I was offered help once.. the offer of a job.. I thought myself too young to be thrown into the adult world, for others to try to take advantage of me, but since that one offer I've been left on my own.. it's very character-building you know.
Del Ivers wrote:MagsJ wrote:Both! both in my dreams and in real life.. my dreams always being reflective of my reality.
In the 'helper' dreams I guess that if I were to really analyze the psychological aspects then maybe I would find correspondences with the awake state. But in many of them they (helper) seemed more of something apart as I've mentioned. In other words, the 'helper' was someone who assisted me in the dream but who did not seem to be a part of the dream. The analogy that comes to mind is a bookmark, it shows your place in a book but it is not part of what the book is about. The other analogy which I previously described is that of an usher who is part of the movie experience but not the movie.MagsJ wrote:I was offered help once.. the offer of a job.. I thought myself too young to be thrown into the adult world, for others to try to take advantage of me, but since that one offer I've been left on my own.. it's very character-building you know.
The description is one of those where I read it and from 'between the lines' I can make a guess as to what is being referred to, but it's too ambiguous for me to offer an informed view on it. And by that I don't mean to solicit further details, it's just that there is an indication of a reference but nothing 'about' the reference. It's like me saying, I went to this place and the people there were really mean to me. You or anyone else would be asking, what place? What people?
Then throw in, "Perhaps I'm black-listed on some system somewhere as a renegade after saying no.. they didn't take it kindly, you see.", and you can see how it would be difficult as to what's what.
Having said that, and since we're talking about dreams, then when you say, "..some system somewhere.." are you referring to a system other than in the awake state, i.e., other than a social system or other organizational element in reality?
promethean75 wrote:..nobody has said a word about hamburger helper.
Meno_ wrote:Who then is the helper and who the helped, that becomes a new focus to interpretation .
Meno_ wrote:The choices You make always the only choice that could ever have been made.
Meno_ wrote:You have doubt a about sustaining Your identity through time and space.
Meno_ wrote:Your helper , maybe You, maybe even one of Your family, in struggling to find out who You are
Del Ivers wrote:The description is one of those where I read it and from 'between the lines' I can make a guess as to what is being referred to, but it's too ambiguous for me to offer an informed view on it. And by that I don't mean to solicit further details, it's just that there is an indication of a reference but nothing 'about' the reference. It's like me saying, I went to this place and the people there were really mean to me. You or anyone else would be asking, what place? What people?
Then throw in, "Perhaps I'm black-listed on some system somewhere as a renegade after saying no.. they didn't take it kindly, you see.", and you can see how it would be difficult as to what's what.
Having said that, and since we're talking about dreams, then when you say, "..some system somewhere.." are you referring to a system other than in the awake state, i.e., other than a social system or other organizational element in reality?
MagsJ wrote:..these no-help dreams have subsided but not replaced by any alternatives, so I have no dreams to guide me in this current time, but I do dream.
Del Ivers wrote:Did you speak with a supervisor of the company re your experience?MagsJ wrote:..these no-help dreams have subsided but not replaced by any alternatives, so I have no dreams to guide me in this current time, but I do dream.
There are many dreams one has and often they're not guides for awake concerns.
Did you at one time have a lot of helpful dreams?
Meno_ wrote:Hyper reality is the apex of demonstrating the maximum beneficial intent of Cosmic Consciousness.
Del Ivers wrote:Meno_ wrote:Hyper reality is the apex of demonstrating the maximum beneficial intent of Cosmic Consciousness.
I certainly want to consider it beneficial, and it's in my best interest to do so. But it can be a task knowing personal intent let alone one of a cosmic category.
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