Superimposition

[Meno_]

Delicate and piquant little and brittle.
Why then does it matter so, if, ipsum factual, one, deciding to,
Overtly or avertly,
, to try to ignore , and evaluate or devalue that which has been so over the top,

Riddles,
with expiration date clearly visible
riddles, and again part of cosmic crunch and its affiliates affiliated primal chaos,
Oh why go there ? Constantly returning over and over ? Is it the draw?
That singularly pulls in and in a 50/50 chance of survival to boot?
Up , and away into the super ethereal, where gentlen genii, talking in whispers,
Pretending not to hear of it, shyly, unnoticably, the invisibility shrouding,
As if ignorance of that sense, fading into the winds blowing gently through the steppes, ?

Bird, painted , fly toward the Southern regions, wherefore and from, Howl, You beat thing, along with night games subterrainly unreleased in displays of extreme garish exhibitions of bad taste?


Reason not, but of a desperation manufactured in the outer realms of aviary, which bird eye compresses the ultra intelligent machine, with the anecdotal and archaic.

What's going on here?
Nothing really of consequence except the higher realms demand an absolute inclusion into the lower, actually the lowest possible into traversing and communing with there. Where everybody exists, and lives to gather,
the fruits of communion , one bird eye's view with that of the dog, god, birdsdog of the eternal communion.

Far fetched? I dunno he says, now 1 year into flight to the companion planet, but earth now, maybe in its final stages of either realizing the back sent memograph, or? He hates to think, but back there ,

It's been hundreds of years since they took off from the cape and there remains little of the linkage.

She says, hopefully we can double the acceleration or even quadruple it tomorrow, holding our present course, we could arrive near Alpha Centuri, and sandwich the gained intelligence and memory, without too much risk of blowing the whole thing out of the water.


Sandwiches suppressed so there may soon an urgent need to land to some fairly safe area.

Yes, but another takeoff depends on some elementary natural ingredients, and we are running, running way low without fuel rod measurements which need new survey programs . language is being decoded, as well, as we approach the compression, associations are unlinked as approach to limits are distended .

[Meno_]

Another , a political twist, flip, the contrariness manifests in change of colors but not of positions , how such brevity misalignes so suddenly, as if such porous porous bleeding into the eyes would change your heartfelt desire, and it is merely a tactic to exhibit exhibit the central autonomy, and how to sustain it.
The inside is confused with the outside, not on it's very core, but in colluding that which impresses out, away from the game, the game which everyone plays .

The winner is, the winner is, the winner is. Who is moat convinceable, and who is, is usually true, to his own heart.
Contrary, works its the basic truth , that to which condemned . again and again by virtue of the confederation of the mob, who despise miniature escapes from petite labyrinthine labyrinthine miniatures, resolving multiple large burrows of over treaded and large funneled tunelled major treadways, of oft traveled places.
May the moon's insecurity pray on the most delectable, but be aware, if that ainfilar voice so quickly recess into whence it comes to.

[Meno_]

The reality is, the reality isn't but it is. That something ominous is going on which as he understands it, is as is, as pointed out in a long passed forum: every mind is a different universe. It is not that he does not understand the ultra reality of acceptance pertaining to primarily of one's self, as if masking that realization is not obvious to others, as some calling it an unnecessary and unwanted preoccupation;


But there is a catch.
The catch is,the constant travel between the outer simplicity of Zen no self nothingness and the cosmic miasma of original chaos is a route everyone takes some intentionally, ad a choice to reduce the angst of facing a post mortem ultra real, an diffusion of self through purposeful de characterization into the labyrinth of archaic visionary monsters.

Others through no will of their own are reduced through not engaging with them earlier, and not to know their steely knives cutting up their reality to shreds.

The former who have built this paradox back into their psyche, with the aim of building more reality into them, those fearful ancient masks with whom to commune as praxis toward that object, allowing it to establish a trance dent relation with, even on their own ground, purposefully overlap the cut up pieces then degrade the developed enormity of progressively developing models, overwrought and appearing as giants and ogres in an unknown reconstructed past, long gone into annals of old, ...

But then all fear of such self suppression as some kind of sickness unto death , eternally dicoursibg between life and death, Sysiphus climbing toward the highest peaks, then looking it , the object , the objective loss, landing him, falling him into an unremembwres dufferance, where it can no longer be remembered whether the initial impetus was given rise by a willful intention or not.

A stab at this point, of pain, of how the line from Tennessee Williams, " I rely on the kindness if strangers" depletes
the treasure of self reliance, and forgetting , creates a shadow self, at odds, a homeless Zen master, re associating newly formed complexities from disjoints that have stood the test if time as whole and at least for the then present time can be no further be divided into still smaller fragments.

This immediates the present, into a given tableau, and reactions are not further reducible interactively as well. Time stops.
The eternity in a piece of left over sandwich, a piece of analysis of how it may have appeared before it was written, the state's on a boulevard someplace in Europe, or great lakes holes superior, as they went skinnydipping in the glimmering blue grey on a new found free spring day, sun breaking chunks of it by hidden metaphore, or heart crane drowning his sadness in losing it after the unteenth time trawling back and forth between New York and Havana.


The indelible urge to time travel between artificially inscribed intelligent mesmeration of the least into the most general with equal value, is so compelling, that it makes posing the question of intentionality or non intentionality of setting up a stage, irrelevant to undesipherable.
The unnecessity of it feeds the university by disassociating any nexus
Between them, trusting the double, the shadow, to compensate for the lack of reflection. The mirror has been backed with black, to enable it to absorb any object or goal to reappear.
It is the gateway to heaven th r ouch inverted heaven.

No one sees, everyone thinks, they do, to see.
This by way of an apology who think they are not understood.
Yea, but only too well.

[Meno_]

How low? Or high can you go?



Sorgner (2009, 29) has argued that Bostrom (2005, 4) was wrong to maintain that there are only surface-level similarities between Nietzsche’s vision of the overman, or overhuman, and the transhumanist conception of the posthuman. Rather, he claims, the similarities are “significant” and can be found “on a fundamental level”. However, I think that Bostrom was in fact quite right to dismiss Nietzsche as a major inspiration for transhumanism. There may be some common ground, but there are also essential differences.


Jacob wrote:



A slightly less general, more specific description of what occurs because of this formula, was already devised by Nietzsche, as the will to power. This was up until now not a workable doctrine, because its ground was missing. It describes accurately what happens between subjects or forces, but it does not prescribe itself upon the void, that is to say, it needs something to operate, and this something has been left to explain itself, to the unfortunate Nietzschean, to be explained by the will to power, which as you have noted reduces the subject to chaos, noise. Paradoxically, the will to power explains, but does not help us to understand what we should do in order to effectively will to power. Value ontology explains what we need to do to strengthen our power/willing, or at least, it gives us the ground on which to stand in such attempts. But I have not progressed significantly beyond this point yet. The only truly significant step I have set is described in my post on consistency as prime mover.

Basically what I am saying is: have patience! You have a rather apocalyptic way of seeing homo sapiens and his fate. I do not see things quite so dreadfully, although I am fully aware of the totalitarian grip of entropic dissolution on our society, I also see, always, by the very nature of nature herself, movements in the opposite direction, such as our own. We must guard of course, to not slip, to not become self-satisfied -- but we must also not overreach, try to say something without having fully understood.

Some of the next practical steps I intend to take along these lines:

-interpreting/formulating the will to power as fundamentally ethical by explaining value ontology as its ground
-drawing the consequences of such ethics in an intersubjective world
-constructing a law-system based on these consequences
-explaining the western constitutions and the American one in particular as such a construction, imperfect but having been for good time sufficient
-attempting to explicate how the 'socialist virtues' of attempting to value otherness-as-itself can be made to fit in with a basic doctrine of valuing otherness in terms of oneself, which at first glance is contradictory
-explaining the role of the state as a minimally sufficient mediator between different self-valuings; 'law and order' explained in philosophically / ethically necessary terms

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What is left unaddressed here is the directly individual, the truly subjective explorations of experience. This is the sort of material Parodites has specialized himself in. I am very interested in this field but I am not as talented as he is in forging it into a philosophy -- my fields of poetic-emotive-conceptualization lie elsewhere than in philosophy. My task may indeed be to formulate such laws as you are pressing for, but to use a metaphor to make my point; value ontology is a multi-stage rocket, in order for it to cross the void it must burn all of its potential to finally arrive as its most necessary and useful form. Right now I am in the process of shedding the first fuel can and shifting to the second, which means a general specification from ontology (what is given the non-impossibility of being) to necessity (what must be given what is). From this, an operational ethics may be approached, as which a 'metods of successful conduct' may be formulated.

Before the self has been explicated, that is to say, before the act of self-valuing is brought to light in concrete terms, I can not formulate is a "what is of value" - value-ontology defines value as indirectly established, and explicated only by the clarification of the subject to himself as an activity of constantly enabling valuation. Yes, the (pursuit of the science/methods of) enabling of valuation is the first ethical activity I can prescribe to mans philosophical self-rulership , if philosophy is to take the shape of value ontology, as it once took on Plato's ideational paradigm.





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Fixed Cross wrote:
I think that value ontology itself, as a theory of what is, of what it is that is, regardless of its further conditions, is complete.
I think that statement alone makes you a "Rationalist" (welcome to My world affraid )

Fixed Cross wrote:
But this does not yet form any kind of modus operandi for us, humans, at least not beyond what we are already, instinctively and axiomatically, doing in each of your acts. In other words, it does not prescribe our actions beyond what already takes place. It does however give us the confidence that, understanding why and as what we do what we do, we may learn to do this with more direction.
Exactly.

Fixed Cross wrote:
You have already drawn the conclusion that it is not only possible, but even necessary to do this, and moreover, that a law should be established prescribing all of human activity. I am only coming to terms with the realization that man is indeed understandable to himself. As I have told some of my friends here already, I see a trajectory before us of roughly a decade, in which value ontology must be developed into a working model for politics and perhaps for 'self-help', a means to 'know thyself', a guide to successful action leading to desirable and lasting results. But I see such a project as developing across different phases.
I don't really think that you have 10 years. I'm pretty certain that I don't.
But the basics of your aim seems to be proper.

Fixed Cross wrote:
We now have the general formula of how we may understand being in conceptual language. It appears to me to be very comprehensive not only in specifying what exists, but also how/why it is possible that it exists. This alone gives me a lot of peace of mind, as I have searched for this my whole actively cognitive life, so an objective is already attained.
We do? I'm not sure to what you are referring. Suspect

Fixed Cross wrote:
The only truly significant step I have set is described in my post on consistency as prime mover.
Hmm.. seemed a lot of words to say, "Value and Ontology needs to be based upon the incentive to maintain ones existence."
"Self-Harmony".

Fixed Cross wrote:
You have a rather apocalyptic way of seeing homo sapiens and his fate. I do not see things quite so dreadfully, although I am fully aware of the totalitarian grip of entropic dissolution on our society, I also see, always, by the very nature of nature herself, movements in the opposite direction, such as our own. We must guard of course, to not slip, to not become self-satisfied -- but we must also not overreach, try to say something without having fully understood.
They came up with a phrase for it in the U.S., "Clear and present danger."

Fixed Cross wrote:
Some of the next practical steps I intend to take along these lines:

-interpreting/formulating the will to power as fundamentally ethical by explaining value ontology as its ground
-drawing the consequences of such ethics in an intersubjective world
-constructing a law-system based on these consequences
-explaining the western constitutions and the American one in particular as such a construction, imperfect but having been for good time sufficient
-attempting to explicate how the 'socialist virtues' of attempting to value otherness-as-itself can be made to fit in with a basic doctrine of valuing otherness in terms of oneself, which at first glance is contradictory
-explaining the role of the state as a minimally sufficient mediator between different self-valuings; 'law and order' explained in philosophically / ethically necessary terms
Sounds a bit like what you get when you ask Congress for the key to the men's room.

Fixed Cross wrote:
What is left unaddressed here is the directly individual, the truly subjective explorations of experience. This is the sort of material Parodites has specialized himself in.
Not sure to what you are referring. Suspect

Fixed Cross wrote:
Before the self has been explicated, that is to say, before the act of self-valuing is brought to light in concrete terms, I can not formulate is a "what is of value" - value-ontology defines value as indirectly established, and explicated only by the clarification of the subject to himself as an activity of constantly enabling valuation. Yes, the (pursuit of the science/methods of) enabling of valuation is the first ethical activity I can prescribe to mans philosophical self-rulership , if philosophy is to take the shape of value ontology, as it once took on Plato's ideational paradigm.
So you need a definition of "Life"?



( in search of a guide ing principle)

[Meno_]

Jacob: But I have not progressed significantly beyond this point yet. The only truly significant step I have set is described in my post on consistency as prime mover. 

Sorgner: Rather, he claims, the similarities are “significant” and can be found.

[Meno_]

The above is am example of a superimposition where the meaning and structure of the fragment elements creates emotive and descriptive challenges ; whereby the determination changes the source or trunk within, and/or without the fragment.


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For instance , imposing~ putting the challenge into a directional vector that implies an energy distribution. change animating from a subjective source toward and objective destination.

The onus travels into an action type proposition in the fragment, askence an implicative toward a mutuality with the object.The objectification, implies both: a continuum which tends to seek more than a personal proposition toward a Collusion ( for lack of a better word, though Synthesis could be also adequate); ~ implying a resolution with an trace or remainder of ambiguity, that questions the intentional ground of = where does the meaning originated toward establishing the conteztuality within the fragment?

Does the fragment intend to establish
reestablish the objective as the intentional and positional elements as oscillations between : -'project' while pertaining an exclusion of 'subject'?
The effect is similar to the famous Rosarch figure, with the differential figure between the vase, and a face.

But here the referential change or d(x) is cognative , whereas in the latter, it is more perceptual. The first implies the sign as a temporal change , the later a more rational l and spatial change.

In semiotics, the sign becomes a signal of intention as to the means to determine which is more a proponent feature.between the two pro positions.




Example: Trumpism and European politics. :







Europe’s lessons for American politics.

The New York Times
Tuesday, May 28, 2019
NYTimes.com/David-Leonhardt »
Op-Ed Columnist
Op-Ed Columnist
The shrinking of Europe’s traditional political parties continues.
In Britain, the two main parties, Labour and the Conservatives, finished in third place and fifth place in this weekend’s European Parliament elections. The populist right-wing Brexit Party finished first, with close to 32 percent of votes.
In Germany, the two establishment parties — one center-right and one center-left — lost more than quarter of their combined seats. The biggest gainers were the left-leaning Greens.
In France, the Greens gained as well, although the right-wing National Rally (known until recently as the National Front) finished first. The two traditional parties finished fourth and sixth.
Many people felt relief that far-right parties — which traffic in xenophobia — didn’t do better in this weekend’s elections. Instead, candidates who support the idea of the European Union combined to win a majority of seats. I share that relief.
But I think it’s important not to lose sight of the main story line. Across much of Europe and the United States, dissatisfaction with the status quo remains the dominant political mood. That’s why so many European parties that were powerful only a few years ago now finish well outside the top two spots. It’s also why Donald Trump was able to take over the Republican Party and win the presidency — and why control of Congress has flipped back and forth in recent years.
In the 2020 presidential campaign, Trump will no doubt attempt to tap into this anti-establishment mood once again. He will be the incumbent, which will make that strategy trickier for him. But he will be an incumbent like no other, one who constantly shows his disdain for the status quo.
Democrats will need their own plan for speaking to this desire for change, especially if they nominate the decidedly establishment Joe Biden.
For more …
Extremist right-wing parties did especially well in countries where they’ve become more politically established, including France, Italy, Britain and Poland, notes Johns Hopkins political scientist Yascha Mounk. “Far-right populists are now established as a major force in virtually all European countries,” he tweeted.
My colleague Ross Douthat thinks those gains are proof that “the global fade of liberalism” may be a longer-lasting phenomenon than many liberals believe. “A liberalism that remains inflexible in the face of variegated resistance is the ideology more likely to be crushed,” he writes.
The Washington Post’s Anne Applebaum sees a re-emergence of political debate in Europe, as the center collapses and the right and left grow. “The European Parliament will now be a place where real politics happen. There will be deals to do, arguments to have,” she writes. “Despite itself, the continent is becoming a single political space.”
In The Atlantic, Yasmeen Serhan articulates the flip side: “The results foreshadow a European future increasingly influenced by diametrically opposing forces, and the divisions that come with them,” she writes.
In The Times, Jochen Bittner, a German political writer, calls for the abolition of the European Parliament. It should be replaced, he writes, with a body more closely tied to domestic politics in each European country — and thus more accountable to voters.






Trump’s Formidable 2020 Tailwind
By STEVEN RATTNER
The economy and incumbency drive presidential election outcomes.

















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[Meno_]

At times like these, all forms of expression exclude any and all excuse for any imposition, for the freedom to form opinion, containing even the most outlandish hyperbolae is prefetable to any trespass on a self induced compression from outside sources.

[Meno_]

Battle Hymn of the Republic

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored,
He has loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on.
Chorus:
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
His day is marching on.

Chorus
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnish`d rows of steel,
"As ye deal with my contemnors, so with you my grace shall deal;"
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel
Since God is marching on.

Chorus
He has sounded from the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! Be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.

Chorus
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on.

Chorus



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As it is: Often through out , the relationship between philosophical analysis and underlying psychological states is working on the assumption that the later subsumes the former, whereas the circle is beginning to toghten, as it were, a growing realization , that the former offers relevance on more deeply felt economics of apprehension.

That is why, ignorance of this often neglected relevance, brings up often new and surprising and unexpected affects, that previously were contained in so called sub-conscious domains.

The dream of reality and the reality of dreams is not always a precisely calculable art or science.

However , the method of thought, at times disallows such easy escape, by simply letting go, letting go of fragmented and ineffective reflections: such that exist between images and their proximate ideas.

They are bound on some deeper level, and though unseen, like some uncut, unfinished black diamond, they are, in stead, inquired, in motherloads, eventually found to part take into semblance of great value.

This is why, the minimization of emotional reaction is a sought after state, an instinctual letting go, of primordial associations, so as to enable a less retractable psyche, open to more profound analysis.

Ignorance is not a demeaning state, caused by some lack of apprehension, it is a willful letting go, so as to appear as a fading self-indicating effort, to turn it around, so as to mean a suppression from outside sources of power.

It is defensive, in it's mode of operation, it saves the self from self from the embarrassment induced recrimination/incrimination. .

[Meno_]

https://youtu.be/cDatTy9BU2A

[Meno_]

When two or more waves arrive at the same point, they superimpose themselves onto one another. ... If the disturbances are along the same line, the resulting wave is a simple addition of the disturbances of the individual waves. That is, their amplitudes add. Superposition: Superposition is when two waves add together.

[Meno_]

Superimposition is the opposite of cutting. Cutting is mutual. Cutting up, down.
A lifetime of cutting can be imposed. It can be imposing.
Imposition may be the wrong position.
It may be degenerative, it may be intentional or superlative.
It may be determinentally obvious, it may cause apoplexy it may cause nothing.
The degeneration may travel through time and space to another loneliestley world, another place and time here on this world, and hermetic generation pressed and cut hermetically sealed for reasons of fecundity, of abrasion.
The hermit looks at the sky the same way as before, knows that Mr. Darwin caused an embarrassment in polite society, that really now, lets not talk about it for reminds them in fact that they are animals only animals.
Must we be reminded we , borne along, alone and die , so as well, and our godhead is only within aspirations to reposition that's always intended?
And that existence, even of that aspiration is always to repose that, which has always been deposed?
Every child's face has acquired that necessity to a chance to remind him of what he once was, and what has been cut from him, that he knows once will be disfigured and superimposed for his benefit, that is their hidden cut, that's in terms within his soul , that all animals cut away , knowing the meaning of.

All things can be put together, the most minute with the most significant and through the flow of time and after the completed tapestry unscripted, then creates the vision of eternity, given the short run of what primal instinct has always assured.

[Meno_]

Superimposition is the opposite of cutting. Cutting is mutual. Cutting up, down.
A lifetime of cutting can be imposed. It can be imposing.
Imposition may be the wrong position.
It may be degenerative, it may be intentional or superlative.
It may be determinentally obvious, it may cause apoplexy it may cause nothing.
The degeneration may travel through time and space to another loneliestley world, another place and time here on this world, and hermetic generation pressed and cut hermetically sealed for reasons of fecundity, of abrasion.
The hermit looks at the sky the same way as before, knows that Mr. Darwin caused an embarrassment in polite society, that really now, lets not talk about it for reminds them in fact that they are animals only animals.
Must we be reminded we , borne along, alone and die , so as well, and our godhead is only within aspirations to reposition that's always intended?
And that existence, even of that aspiration is always to repose that, which has always been deposed?
Every child's face has acquired that necessity to a chance to remind him of what he once was, and what has been cut from him, that he knows once will be disfigured and superimposed for his benefit, that is their hidden cut, that's in terms within his soul , that all animals cut away , knowing the meaning of.

All things can be put together, the most minute with the most significant and through the flow of time and after the completed tapestry unscripted, then creates the vision of eternity, given the short run of what primal instinct has always assured.

Imposition , signification and identity