Gloominary wrote:If it's okay for a man to have sex with a woman while she's too intoxicated to consent, it follows that it's okay for a gay man to have sex with a man while he's too intoxicated to consent.
barbarianhorde wrote:Yeah man this is the only thing left to resolve. Bitches need to take responsibility after 10000 years of being in the passengers seat. But they can't. It's not in their brain. So we are fucced.
We can't go back to no rights for women because. .. well face it we don't like that cause were awesome. But we can't go forward either cause of the biological in abilities of women to think straight.
So.... were screweehd kekky. Just fucc as much as thou canst and don't pay for any drinks!
It's natural for men to lust after, and try to get, sex with women. It is unnatural for men to lust after other men.
Furthermore, the responsibility of sex (Pregnancy) is not comparable.
What needs to happen, must happen over time, is the raising of Superior/Noble women by superior fathers. To teach superior females to refuse victim-hood, to take responsibility for choices in life, and to make positive decisions (like NOT getting blackout-drunk and dressing like a slut in public). However, everybody sees the Modern precedent, which is pro-slut, pro-degeneracy, pro-disgust, pro-faggot, pro-victimhood, pro-irresponsibility.
Exactly. Weak and strong are qualities that are not comparative to other people's strength or the context. It's just a flat digital divide. If you are strong, no one can beat you up. If you are weak, you can't beat anyone. Just two boxes with every human in them. A woman cannot be a great soccer player and confident in her dealings with people and ever be raped. Because a strong woman is stronger than all men. You can't be strong at some things and weaker at others.Urwrongx1000 wrote:You're either a weak person, or you're not.
Yup. Unwrong will lead the way into nuanced thinking.Weak people are constantly victims. They don't have self-responsibility or accountability. However, obviously there is a wide range of Victimhood. So a 12 year old girl being raped is not comparable to a 22 year old young woman being raped. Nuance is lost on Modern people though, who are irrational, emotional, and sensationalistic.
There, see the nuance. Unwrong is showing us some feminists who want their cake and eat it too, and he is showing nuance.Modern Feminists claim that "Women are strong, hear us roar!" on one hand, but on the other, "We are poor, blameless victims of the Evil White Male Patriarchy!" This is a contradiction. You can't have it both ways. So Modern women either need to admit that they're weak, pathetic, ignoble people, OR, they're strong, noble, and self-responsible.
Yeah, because those men they are completely determined machines. They have no responsibility because they are like robots. I mean, of course, you want to force yourself on someone if you can. Every man wants that.Many women, who are raped, it's the more the woman's fault than anybody else. If a drunk slut goes to bars, parties, or college frat parties, then she is mostly to blame, not males.
Yeah, and even if not all feminists are this binary, or even most, it is good to have a nuanced binary reaction. Fuck women for being proud of anything. The moment you say you can do certain things, have confidence about certain things, they you cannot fucking complain about being raped. Oh, so you were a successful lawyer and you got raped. Well, then you were not strong. You were weak, period. Cause there are two boxes ladies, so you want to be proud of doing something you were told for centuries you were too stupid, emotional and weak to do....?Again, the problem with Modernity, and Modern Feminism, is that they imply under everything that women are 0% to blame for anything. Perfectly innocent. But this is wrong. And it undermines all women. It makes women look pathetic, weak, stupid, and irresponsible. It makes women look vile. It makes women look ugly and disgusting, to have NO SELF ACCOUNTABILITY. And it reveals women as ignoble, completely.
He's right, in the olden days, no noble women got raped. Invading armies never raped noble women. They said, oh she's proud of herself, I won't rape her. Men never do that. Because they have no control. A strong woman in the middle ages or in some pagan tribe, when another tribe came in in a war, they never raped those strong women. Why? Because they simply could not. It's an aura thing. But they raped the weak women. Why? Because they can't help but rape weak women, cause the women are in control.Women with class, dignity, nobility, will have a stronger sense-of-self, self-responsibility, and self-dignity. When there are Noble women present, men tend to shy-away and not try to rape them, because Noble women are the actual "strong women". Noble women don't drink themselves stupid. Noble women dress conservatively, and only revealing WHEN APPROPRIATE, with a male she trusts and adores. Noble women REFUSE to be "victims". So this is why, in the Modern time, in the Western civilization, there are few noble women, maybe none?
But they are worth raping. Not that the men can choose. They have no responsibility for raping the weak women, but they would if they had a choice because weak woman are worth raping.And ignoble women are worthless, not worth fighting for, not worth competing for, and definitely not worth going to war for.
And while some might think that Unwrong is here presenting the problems as the women's, that he is being a victim to women, this is shallow understanding. Women are weak, and at the same time they are responsible for men's behavior. Men are just waiting for them, so that we can have a good modern society. Men are strong, but not responsible. Male robbers are strong, but not responsible. I mean, you have nice stuff in your home, in a society with high unemployment, why a robber, or is it burglar, has no responsibility. You were weak. You went out to the movies. The burglar could not help it.And this is the current state for Modern USA and other western nations. Ignoble women everywhere.
It is YOUR fault, women.
Gloominary wrote:It's also 'natural' for men to want to take each others things, so if we're drinking together, and you pass out, does it follow that I have the right to take your things?
If not why not?
Karpel Tunnel wrote:Exactly. Weak and strong are qualities that are not comparative to other people's strength or the context. It's just a flat digital divide. If you are strong, no one can beat you up. If you are weak, you can't beat anyone.
While I can have a great deal of sympathy for the emotions underneath this, a story has hardened into a metaphysics. Of course we all harden our stories into metaphysics, but a noble person will find the tools to undo this. I mean, sure, I have struck appliances for no doing what they are supposed to and blamed tools for my mistakes and made everyone narratives based on some of my experiences and not wanted to look around at other stories or see the anomolies and wonder about my involvement in the making of my story. But a time comes when you have to question the narratives in your head, and get into the tough challenges of learning.there are few noble women, maybe none
Once a woman's virginity is gone (stolen or taken by force, against her will) then she is worth-less than she was beforehand. That's what "Rape" is about, in the first place, a woman's sexual (de)-value.
Modern Rape is a means for Modern women/feminists to say to the world, "such-and-such guy stole my sexual value,
However, this belies the fact that some women have very high sexual value, and others, very low. Older women, for example, have a very low sexual value compared to younger women. Does society really care when ugly or unattractive women are raped? Not as much.
Pandora wrote:My question is why female sex slavery was romanticized in art? Who the hell came up with that idea? To make it romanticized as such. Did people buy it and actually believe they were looking at something beautiful and romantic going on there?
We still have sex slavery going on worldwide (in the form of human trafficking - fortunately, no one (that I know) is making romantic paintings out of girls being pushed into a van at gunpoint, or laying in bed nude, smiling and blissed out because they're pumped full of heroin)
Because today, that would be an equivalent of romanticizing this subject.
Should a 30-year-old woman be a "victim"? Shouldn't she have learned, by now, hopefully???
Women cannot be "Strong" and VICTIMS at the same time...
Many women, who are raped, it's the more the woman's fault than anybody else. If a drunk slut goes to bars, parties, or college frat parties, then she is mostly to blame, not males.
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