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Meno_ wrote:Here is an analytical proof for God's existence. You be the judge
Existence as an understood concept began with Man. Before Man, animals of very early types did perceive but, could not conceive 'things' or 'thingness' Man, was able to conceive of 'existence', of things. Thought of things became the thought of an existing existence , which became known as the thing-in-it's-self. The thing in it's self became the Self, the transcendental self.
I take it you meant "transcendental Self." This is your major premise and it is faulty thus this later minor premise is also faulty. Also your introduce God here without proofs but note God is an impossibility.That without this transcendental self there can be no god is tantamount with the mere animal function of imminent awareness of things.
God is an impossibility [as proven] thus this premise is moot.The development to higher awareness is the feature of evolution which asks the question: whether god is imminent all around? , or is god developmental towards a closure into a Man-God? Is this closure tantamount when this final distinction can be overcome?
God is an impossibility [as proven] therefore there is no such thing as 'a future coming Man God.' This need to belief in a God and Man-God is driven by psychological desperation to deal with an existential crisis.The superman concept of coming to be analogous with the idea of the ring intension , to overcome differences between mythical intuitive type, with the actual anthropomorphic development of a future coming Man God-has always been the modus operans of dealing with this ultimate question
Merry Christmas [not theistic].This may have beenbehind the idea of the Superman , closing the circle and defining the Ring. Ultimately, the ideas of God may actualize into the God of ideas, and on cosmologocally based scales possible probabilities, eventually must attain a closure, a certainty.
Without it the man-god could not ever come to be, andwith it the existence of this ring of certainty that keeps men guessing.. it is never actually revealed , because it is the foundation of every thing that becomes a possibility toward the progressive evolution of higher awareness.
Foundations can never be perceived because perceived things always decay and die. That there be things which are eternal and no of no death, is certain, because without that certainty. that positivity, of which , man could not have evolved in the first place is built on a prior necessity.
The Man-God, the Son of Man needed to prove this , in order to demonstrate God's Love for Man. This demonstration of sacrifice proved God's Eternal Existence, because God knew that immortality not mortality was the key to existence
Merry Christmas on this renewed celebration of the birth of.our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Prismatic567 wrote:Meno_ wrote:Here is an analytical proof for God's existence. You be the judge
Existence as an understood concept began with Man. Before Man, animals of very early types did perceive but, could not conceive 'things' or 'thingness' Man, was able to conceive of 'existence', of things. Thought of things became the thought of an existing existence , which became known as the thing-in-it's-self. The thing in it's self became the Self, the transcendental self.
Yes, humans are different from all others. Things and existence of things is no issue is the basis is empirical-rational where things can be verified, rationalized and justified with empirical evidences.
There is no issue with an empirical-self [physical or transcendental], i.e. the self that is based on evidence, then rationalized, verified and justified.
But when the transcendental 'self' is claimed to be a transcendental "Self," that is a problem especially when speculated as a Soul that survives physical death. Like the idea of God, the idea of a transcendental Self that survives physical death is an impossibility.
Note counters against such a transcendental 'Self' from Buddhism, Hume, Kant, Parfit and others.I take it you meant "transcendental Self." This is your major premise and it is faulty thus this later minor premise is also faulty. Also your introduce God here without proofs but note God is an impossibility.That without this transcendental self there can be no god is tantamount with the mere animal function of imminent awareness of things.
Humans do not need a God to differentiate from non-humans. The difference is so easy to prove based on empirical evidences of human thoughts and behaviors.God is an impossibility [as proven] thus this premise is moot.The development to higher awareness is the feature of evolution which asks the question: whether god is imminent all around? , or is god developmental towards a closure into a Man-God? Is this closure tantamount when this final distinction can be overcome?God is an impossibility [as proven] therefore there is no such thing as 'a future coming Man God.' This need to belief in a God and Man-God is driven by psychological desperation to deal with an existential crisis.The superman concept of coming to be analogous with the idea of the ring intension , to overcome differences between mythical intuitive type, with the actual anthropomorphic development of a future coming Man God-has always been the modus operans of dealing with this ultimate question
Since the above premises are faulty, all the other premises below will not follow, cannot be deductive.Merry Christmas [not theistic].This may have beenbehind the idea of the Superman , closing the circle and defining the Ring. Ultimately, the ideas of God may actualize into the God of ideas, and on cosmologocally based scales possible probabilities, eventually must attain a closure, a certainty.
Without it the man-god could not ever come to be, andwith it the existence of this ring of certainty that keeps men guessing.. it is never actually revealed , because it is the foundation of every thing that becomes a possibility toward the progressive evolution of higher awareness.
Foundations can never be perceived because perceived things always decay and die. That there be things which are eternal and no of no death, is certain, because without that certainty. that positivity, of which , man could not have evolved in the first place is built on a prior necessity.
The Man-God, the Son of Man needed to prove this , in order to demonstrate God's Love for Man. This demonstration of sacrifice proved God's Eternal Existence, because God knew that immortality not mortality was the key to existence
Merry Christmas on this renewed celebration of the birth of.our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Sometimes a reversion could be due to this [posted in another thread];Meno_ wrote:We can argue about this after the Holiday and if I may preface this by asking You to think about what a God means to You. My concept of a God is really different but not divorced from any particular denomination of organised religion. I was really surprised by my capacity to return to Theism , having been absent for a very long time. It was and still is like a draw of some tremendous power , not at all self prescribed .
But maybe another thing, the difference between a Theist and an Atheist may also be an exxagerated hyporbola and not sit well , but its worth some consideration.
Another point is there is no guarantee and permanence in the critical thinking approach to divert from theism. Because the existential crisis is inherent and unavoidable, the neurons that inhibit one from theism can give way when they atrophize as one gets to the later stages of life.
Note the very world famous and notable atheist, Anthony Flew shocked and surprised all this followers when he turned to God, i.e. as deist. Note this research.Across the world, people have varying levels of belief (and disbelief) in God, with some nations being more devout than others. But new research reveals one constant across parts of the globe: As people age, their belief in God seems to increase.
https://www.livescience.com/19971-belie ... m-age.html
Meno_ wrote:Here is an analytical proof for God's existence. You be the judge
Existence as an understood concept began with Man. Before Man, animals of very early types did perceive but, could not conceive 'things' or 'thingness' Man, was able to conceive of 'existence', of things. Thought of things became the thought of an existing existence , which became known as the thing-in-it's-self. The thing in it's self became the Self, the transcendental self.
That without this transcendental self there can be no god is tantamount with the mere animal function of imminent awareness of things.
The development to higher awareness is the feature of evolution which asks the question: whether god is imminent all around? , or is god developmental towards a closure into a Man-God? Is this closure tantamount when this final distinction can be overcome?
The superman concept of coming to be analogous with the idea of the ring intension , to overcome differences between mythical intuitive type, with the actual anthropomorphic development of a future coming Man God-has always been the modus operans of dealing with this ultimate question
This may have beenbehind the idea of the Superman , closing the circle and defining the Ring. Ultimately, the ideas of God may actualize into the God of ideas, and on cosmologocally based scales possible probabilities, eventually must attain a closure, a certainty.
Without it the man-god could not ever come to be, andwith it the existence of this ring of certainty that keeps men guessing.. it is never actually revealed , because it is the foundation of every thing that becomes a possibility toward the progressive evolution of higher awareness.
Foundations can never be perceived because perceived things always decay and die.
That there be things which are eternal and no of no death, is certain, because without that certainty. that positivity, of which , man could not have evolved in the first place is built on a prior necessity.
The Man-God, the Son of Man needed to prove this , in order to demonstrate God's Love for Man. This demonstration of sacrifice proved God's Eternal Existence, because God knew that immortality not mortality was the key to existence
Merry Christmas on this renewed celebration of the birth of.our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Fixed Cross wrote:Meno_ wrote:Here is an analytical proof for God's existence. You be the judge
Existence as an understood concept began with Man. Before Man, animals of very early types did perceive but, could not conceive 'things' or 'thingness' Man, was able to conceive of 'existence', of things. Thought of things became the thought of an existing existence , which became known as the thing-in-it's-self. The thing in it's self became the Self, the transcendental self.
That without this transcendental self there can be no god is tantamount with the mere animal function of imminent awareness of things.
Have you asked the Wolf, if he concurs?
I disagree in any case.
I think man will slowly rise to the awareness of Wolf and Raven. Before that he is merely worm. He is not aware of anything at all and his "God" is this un-awareness.
When man begins to understand animals as above and beyond him, he begins to awaken, to become aware of the most basic things.
In his current state, man barely reaches entity, and in most cases, is not entity at all.
Mankind is largely goo.The development to higher awareness is the feature of evolution which asks the question: whether god is imminent all around? , or is god developmental towards a closure into a Man-God? Is this closure tantamount when this final distinction can be overcome?
Higher awareness first requires awareness.The superman concept of coming to be analogous with the idea of the ring intension , to overcome differences between mythical intuitive type, with the actual anthropomorphic development of a future coming Man God-has always been the modus operans of dealing with this ultimate question
The Superman is the concept of man attaining the beginnings of an animal state.
To be a Superman is to not be a coward before ones existence.This may have beenbehind the idea of the Superman , closing the circle and defining the Ring. Ultimately, the ideas of God may actualize into the God of ideas, and on cosmologocally based scales possible probabilities, eventually must attain a closure, a certainty.
The absolute opposite: Strength is marked by the capacity to endure uncertainty.
Any Zen-meister will tell you that!Without it the man-god could not ever come to be, andwith it the existence of this ring of certainty that keeps men guessing.. it is never actually revealed , because it is the foundation of every thing that becomes a possibility toward the progressive evolution of higher awareness.
Foundations can never be perceived because perceived things always decay and die.
Only when they are perceived by a wretch, a parasite, a worm.
When Zarathustra perceives the Sun, the Sun does not die.
And so there are many cases of perceiving without killing - in the wholesome, perception is a form of nurture.That there be things which are eternal and no of no death, is certain, because without that certainty. that positivity, of which , man could not have evolved in the first place is built on a prior necessity.
Hmmm....
interesting logic.
At least, very creative.
I will interpret it as somewhat virtuous on that account.The Man-God, the Son of Man needed to prove this , in order to demonstrate God's Love for Man. This demonstration of sacrifice proved God's Eternal Existence, because God knew that immortality not mortality was the key to existence
Merry Christmas on this renewed celebration of the birth of.our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Or as we say, the return of the Light.
The Sun stations at 21 December, stays stationed for three days (the slumber of the light of the world) and then the days begin to get longer. I.e. the light is "reborn".
Ever wondered why Christmas falls around the solstice?
Dan~ wrote:My friend Ethan talks about god-state as emergent.
We basically get infinite time to evolve and upgrade.
We evolve so much that we become the pantheosis.
Dan~ wrote:My friend Ethan talks about god-state as emergent.
We basically get infinite time to evolve and upgrade.
We evolve so much that we become the pantheosis.
I can't quote him perfectly, but i wondered to myself how much you would agree with such an idea.
Fixed Cross wrote:Dan~ wrote:My friend Ethan talks about god-state as emergent.
We basically get infinite time to evolve and upgrade.
Yes, this also logically follows from the self-valuing logic of being.
There is no final end, "God" is a conjecture that we can actually surpass. But God thus represents a direction, and thus indeed, as we approach it, we are emergent.
And as I see it, we do not really exist as beings unless we are in this emergent state.We evolve so much that we become the pantheosis.
I can corroborate.
We become entirely united with the more happy life forms, such as the trees and the forest animals, and with other happy humans.
But this world of systemic humans doesn't tolerate this happiness yet.
Whatever the outcome of these logico-linguistic set up, the final conclusion must be empirical-rationally verifiable and justifiable.Meno_ wrote:A very simplistic explanation for god remains .
Evolutionary thought supports the notion that logic itself is an intrinsic tool within the evolutionary domain. If so then it points a logico-linguistic unity whereby the very language of consciousness has teleological and semantic logical features.
True there are the unseen and the unknown.Is there things , ideas, and presences in the world of the universe which are beyond recognition, knowledge and perception-seeing? If it is admitted that there are , are we heading to more and more knowledge of the unseen?
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