The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Share and discuss.

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Thu Jan 14, 2016 10:38 pm

Here is a video called "Frank Zappa Philosophy":

Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Zoot Allures » Tue Jan 19, 2016 2:38 pm

https://youtu.be/Hrt1P0UstzQ

Don Pardo gets excited when the band transitions into Pound for a Brown from I'm the Slime.
Zoot Allures
Philosopher
 
Posts: 2607
Joined: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:50 pm

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Sun Feb 07, 2016 12:09 am

Arminius wrote:Here is a video called "Frank Zappa Philosophy":


Was Zappa a Schopenhauerian?
Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:04 pm

"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer." - Frank Zappa.

bier.jpg
bier.jpg (108.73 KiB) Viewed 11337 times


Cheers!
Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:08 pm

"One of my favorite philosophical tenets is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You do not change people's minds." - Frank Zappa.
Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:13 pm

"I believe that people have a right to decide their own destiny; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only as long as) individual citizens give it a temporary license to exist - in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy you own the government - it doesn't own you. Along with this comes a responsibility to ensure that individual actions, in the pursuit of a personal destiny, do not threaten the well-being of others while the pursuit is in progress." - Frank Zappa.
Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:14 pm

"There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life." - Frank Zappa.
Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Tue Mar 22, 2016 10:16 pm

"Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." - Frank Zappa.
Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:57 am

Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Mithus » Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:32 am

Arminius wrote:In addition: December 21 - the birthday of both Frank Zappa and Arminius. :D

:occasion-cake: :occasion-birthday:
..... panta rhei .............................................
User avatar
Mithus
 
Posts: 211
Joined: Sun Mar 02, 2014 10:05 pm

Re: Was the Great Musician Frank Zappa also a Graet Philosop

Postby Arminius » Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:44 am

Mithus wrote:
Arminius wrote:In addition: December 21 - the birthday of both Frank Zappa and Arminius. :D

:occasion-cake: :occasion-birthday:

Hey! :)

Thank you very much.
Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby surreptitious57 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:28 am

Those with fixed opinions about music such as those expressed in this thread should understand that all
taste is subjective and you cannot therefore give a truly objective view about a musician or their music
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
surreptitious57
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1931
Joined: Sun Oct 11, 2015 2:05 am

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Arminius » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:13 pm

Zappa and drugs:

Zappa's output is unified by a conceptual continuity he termed "Project/Object", with numerous musical phrases, ideas, and characters reappearing across his albums. His lyrics reflected his iconoclastic views of established social and political processes, structures and movements, often humorously so. He was a strident critic of mainstream education and organized religion, and a forthright and passionate advocate for freedom of speech, self-education, political participation and the abolition of censorship. Unlike many other rock musicians of his era, he personally disapproved of and seldom used drugs, but supported their decriminalization and regulation.

....

During the recording of Freak Out!, Zappa moved into a house in Laurel Canyon with friend Pamela Zarubica, who appeared on the album. The house became a meeting (and living) place for many LA musicians and groupies of the time, despite Zappa's disapproval of their illicit drug use.

....

Zappa stated that he tried smoking cannabis ten times, but without any pleasure or result beyond sleepiness and sore throat, and "never used LSD, never used cocaine, never used heroin or any of that other stuff." Zappa stated, "Drugs do not become a problem until the person who uses the drugs does something to you, or does something that would affect your life that you don't want to have happen to you, like an airline pilot who crashes because he was full of drugs." He was a regular tobacco smoker for most of his life, and strongly critical of anti-tobacco campaigns.

While he disapproved of drug use, he criticized the War on Drugs, comparing it to alcohol prohibition, and stated that the United States Treasury would benefit from the decriminalization and regulation of drugs. Describing his philosophical views, Zappa stated, "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you.
Image
User avatar
Arminius
ILP Legend
 
Posts: 5732
Joined: Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:51 pm
Location: Saltus Teutoburgiensis

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Alf » Sun Oct 22, 2017 7:59 pm

Frank Zappa said:

"Don't expect friends, don't expect fun, don't expect a good life, don't expect anything; and if you get something, it's a bonus." :P
User avatar
Alf
 
Posts: 234
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2017 12:07 am

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby Ultimate Philosophy 1001 » Sun Oct 22, 2017 9:44 pm

Alf wrote:Frank Zappa said:

"Don't expect friends, don't expect fun, don't expect a good life, don't expect anything; and if you get something, it's a bonus." :P


I never expected to be born, so the forces that forced me to be born against my consent better damn well give me some kind of compensation.
trogdor
User avatar
Ultimate Philosophy 1001
BANNED
 
Posts: 8311
Joined: Tue Oct 20, 2015 10:57 pm

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby promethean75 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 11:49 pm

the theory: originally, record production was owned and run by older people who weren't 'hip' to the tastes of the consumer public. during this period there was more experimental freedom given to artists; when a band appeared with a demo tape, the production owner was willing to give the music a chance and sign the band... because he had no idea what the consumer public didn't like. this period existed before rigid trends developed among the different genres. then, a younger generation began to own and run these production companies... and with this happened a significant narrowing of experimental freedom for artists. instead of taking a risk in producing an unfamiliar kind of music (as older owners did), they looked explicitly for a specific and predictable sound that was similar enough to what was already popular. and thus began the trend of drawing rigid lines between genres and following formulas.





@3:15. on the musical illiteracy of the consumer public (a condition fostered by the invention of the 'music video').



we notice this now, especially, in modern music video; the emphasis on theatrics, histrionics, costume, dancing and stage performance rather than the music itself.
promethean75
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3344
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:10 pm

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby promethean75 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:24 pm

tired of the same old crap on all the pop stations, i tuned in to a local college station that plays underground grunge and rock. fuck it, i'll give it a chance, right? i figure the odds be...

promethean75
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3344
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:10 pm

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby promethean75 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 1:09 pm

promethean75
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3344
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:10 pm

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby surreptitious75 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:01 pm

He is right that classical music would be more popular with the younger generation if it was presented in video format for them
But this is a sad commentary on attention spans as they cannot just listen to music without needing something to watch as well
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
surreptitious75
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1490
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:48 pm

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby surreptitious75 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:32 pm

promethean75 wrote:
we notice this now especially in modern music video : the emphasis on theatrics histrionics costume dancing and stage performance rather than the music

Many bands have been fashion conscious but it only becomes a problem when it is more important than the music
That is to say when the image is given greater emphasis over it when in fact they should really be complementary

The most blatant example of this is Kiss who despite being one of the biggest rock bands ever have a very average back catalogue if truth be told
Their stage presence is out of total proportion to their actual musical ability and they have less than a handful of truly great tracks to their name

Compare that to David Bowie who was also fashion conscious but never allowed it to become more important than the actual music
Not even at the peak of his career when he was Ziggy Stardust for even if he did not dress up at all the music would still be fantastic

There is a right way to mix music and fashion and a wrong way and Bowie is the former and Kiss are the latter and everyone else is somewhere in between them
Kiss actually went through an existential crisis in I983 when they decided to remove their make up but a truly great band would not be worrying about this at all
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
surreptitious75
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1490
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:48 pm

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby surreptitious75 » Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:44 pm


Those old lost interviews are excellent to watch for such a uniquely talented and perceptive man he was
A MIND IS LIKE A PARACHUTE : IT DOES NOT WORK UNLESS IT IS OPEN
surreptitious75
Philosopher
 
Posts: 1490
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:48 pm


Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby promethean75 » Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm

promethean75
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3344
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:10 pm

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby promethean75 » Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:51 pm

promethean75
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3344
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:10 pm

Re: The Great Musician Frank Zappa and His Philosophy.

Postby promethean75 » Wed Mar 04, 2020 1:42 pm

but... wait this can't be right. she's not supposed... this is... she's not... look she shouldn't be... wtf fuck man. i need a drink of water.

promethean75
Philosopher
 
Posts: 3344
Joined: Thu Jan 31, 2019 7:10 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Art, Music, and Entertainment



Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users