Hurricane Sandy: Be Thankful

[Moreno]

Bottom line the government has been testing chemicals to see how they affect weather.

I couldn't find a single site that said he was saying that he meant they were using such methods for nefarious purposes himself. This is just saying he said this: it means this - it does not follow that it means that.

When's the last time someone with real power said they were doing something for nefarious purposes? I mean, I doubt very many people without much power have said such a thing, but most people don't have writers and handlers to prevent them from blurting out such things.

[Mainstream]

He only pubically talks about that stuff when it comes to poisoning the water supply. Not the air...

John P. Holdren, in his 1977 book Ecoscience advocated poisoning the water supply to involuntarily sterilize humans

This guy is what I say he is. You can sit around waiting for some sufficient level of evidence, but from my dealing with people like you, 1000 pages of hard evidence later, you will still be asking for more.

[Moreno]

Mainstream, I am interested in you answers to my post on page 1, also the added questions I asked in reponse to James's response to my questions, if these second questions apply to your answers.

[Mainstream]

The goal was to have an excuse to close the stock market.

..and merely a test run.

Thanks for answering, though I am also interested in mainstream's take.
So a kind of practice. Does this mean there is some question of accuracy? Is this really the easiest way to shut down the Stock Market? (Note, I am not suggesting anyone is concerned about other damage.)
Why close down the Stock Market, or better, what will this do when they are no longer practicing?
Last, what makes you think the Stock Market was the goal and not something else?

You have to back this way up. I've been following this from the beginning:

1. The CIA started planting tweets to rile up the public about a week to two weeks ago about 'rioting if Romney wins.' 'Killing Romney if he wins.' 'Killing random people if Romney wins.' Just like... clearly COINTEL PRO planted stuff. It just exploded onto twitter without any provocation. And keep in mind, people on forums like Alex Jones' and other mainstream alt media outlets, all through the Obama campaign, would receive threats from the Secret Service to remove any posts that said anything close to that about Obama. One time Infowars has to delete a post that was something to the effect of, 'Obama is going to make me lose it.' Authoritarian censorship with anything related to violence and Obama, but then out of nowhere all these tweets pop up. No censorship. Fake accounts. Like I said... totally fucking obvious to anyone paying attention.

2. This progresses further as news of this hurricane starts to get around the internet. Suddenly the tweets are 'I'm going to riot after this storm hits.'

3. The storm hits, and people are fucking rioting....


They wanted the storm to be more severe so as to completely topple public order, bring in a state of emergency and hopefully get people to riot to the extend that martial law is declared, the elections are cancelled, and the martial law outcome that I've been saying is the goal for... OH i DON'T KNOW FUCKING 8 YEARS NOW would have been enabled.

That's why I'm saying, be thankfult here are forces out there to counterbalance that astounding level of ignorance that mostly defines America. The storm should have been a lot worse.

[Moreno]

The goal was to have an excuse to close the stock market.

..and merely a test run.

Thanks for answering, though I am also interested in mainstream's take.
So a kind of practice. Does this mean there is some question of accuracy? Is this really the easiest way to shut down the Stock Market? (Note, I am not suggesting anyone is concerned about other damage.)
Why close down the Stock Market, or better, what will this do when they are no longer practicing?
Last, what makes you think the Stock Market was the goal and not something else?

You have to back this way up. I've been following this from the beginning:

1. The CIA started planting tweets to rile up the public about a week to two weeks ago about 'rioting if Romney wins.' 'Killing Romney if he wins.' 'Killing random people if Romney wins.' Just like... clearly COINTEL PRO planted stuff. It just exploded onto twitter without any provocation. And keep in mind, people on forums like Alex Jones' and other mainstream alt media outlets, all through the Obama campaign, would receive threats from the Secret Service to remove any posts that said anything close to that about Obama. One time Infowars has to delete a post that was something to the effect of, 'Obama is going to make me lose it.' Authoritarian censorship with anything related to violence and Obama, but then out of nowhere all these tweets pop up. No censorship. Fake accounts. Like I said... totally fucking obvious to anyone paying attention.

2. This progresses further as news of this hurricane starts to get around the internet. Suddenly the tweets are 'I'm going to riot after this storm hits.'

3. The storm hits, and people are fucking rioting....


They wanted the storm to be more severe so as to completely topple public order, bring in a state of emergency and hopefully get people to riot to the extend that martial law is declared, the elections are cancelled, and the martial law outcome that I've been saying is the goal for... OH i DON'T KNOW FUCKING 8 YEARS NOW would have been enabled.

That's why I'm saying, be thankfult here are forces out there to counterbalance that astounding level of ignorance that mostly defines America. The storm should have been a lot worse.

Thanks for the answer. Where did you find out about the tweets, got a link?

If I get the part about selective censorship, you mean that posts or text threatening Romney was allowed to stay and was not challenged, but text threatening Obama was not. I can't connect this to the hurricane. Why would it matter what people were rioting about? You have a major disaster, the one they hoped to get but were prevented from getting by the orgonite people, and likely if devastation has really ripped apart the infrastructure their would have been looting and rioting and generalized chaos. Why would they care which candidates were threatened? All chaos is good chaos if you want to justify martial law. And this would have come before the election, so rioting against Romney seems moot at this point. I may be missing something obvious, but whatever dot connecting you're willing to do is appreciated.

EDIT- found some of my own links about the twitter stuff. And it seems like in the right wing conspiracy site world, it is generally assumed these are coming from lefties. Is there a site that sees them as agent provocateur stuff.

[Mainstream]

And it seems like in the right wing conspiracy site world, it is generally assumed these are coming from lefties. Is there a site that sees them as agent provocateur stuff.

In the conspiracy world (proper) there is no left/right.

Maybe, even though it's never happened before in any election, people on the left just randomly got insane and started threatening to kill a candiate. Maybe it was a natural grassroots thing, but I'm going under the assumption that it wasn't. Lefties are generally not violent anyways, so it makes no sense - or it would make more if it was the other way around. The main way the government provacates people is precisely by playing the left off of the right. Regardless, why would the Secret Service allow it go on? Whether grassroots or not, it doesn't really matter. Obama, one way or the other, riled the public up.

But to make the connection you don't see, the Romney riot stuff was to get people thinking about the possibility of rioting. Especially when everyone is poor and pissed, it's easy to get people into that mode. With the seed planted, the convergence of 3 different storms into one huge one sets the stage for a riot to actually happen.

The end goal is martial law. It doesn't matter how they get there so long as they do. Everything is a half-test, and has several redundancies and stuff. It's all about playing around with the public until they find something that works. Brezinsky stated in his last book they are about 7-13 years "behind" so make no mistake. This wasn't 'completely' a test. They wanted to rock the NE as hard as possible, but they can't go after ChemBusters using any other means than covert psychic attacks and hacking on orgone forums without admitting orgone is actually real. In other words, they cannot publically label Chembusters as terrorists because they would undermine the secret of how they control the weather. That is in part why I decided it was one of the most effective ways to fight back. Busting really took off when people found out that Katrina was man-made, and that's why their luck with using weather weapons since then has mostly failed. Look at the turnaround in Africa thanks to the 'Orgonize Africa' campaign. Until they bring in Martial Law they cannot round up these people, which is good, because it means they will have a hard time using the weather with the effectiveness they wish that they could.

[Stoic Guardian]

That would have been Gobbo's territory.

Too bad he was driven off.

You are Gobbo.

[Stoic Guardian]

Between you and Volchok...

[Stoic Guardian]

I think we can conclude that it involves the weather, and something called orgonite.

Someone with a passion for learning might google that; someone without might not.

Why is google such a reliable way to get information?

[Moreno]

I think we can conclude that it involves the weather, and something called orgonite.

Someone with a passion for learning might google that; someone without might not.

Why is google such a reliable way to get information?

You can get information about what he was referring to. Whatever the medium one still has to decide what one thinks of the source and the information.

[James S Saint]

Thanks for answering, though I am also interested in mainstream's take.
So a kind of practice. Does this mean there is some question of accuracy? Is this really the easiest way to shut down the Stock Market? (Note, I am not suggesting anyone is concerned about other damage.)
Why close down the Stock Market, or better, what will this do when they are no longer practicing?
Last, what makes you think the Stock Market was the goal and not something else?

Intuitive balance of all that I see going on (thus non-conclusive).

You have to back this way up. I've been following this from the beginning:

1. The CIA started planting tweets to rile up the public about a week to two weeks ago about 'rioting if Romney wins.' 'Killing Romney if he wins.' 'Killing random people if Romney wins.' Just like... clearly COINTEL PRO planted stuff. It just exploded onto twitter without any provocation. And keep in mind, people on forums like Alex Jones' and other mainstream alt media outlets, all through the Obama campaign, would receive threats from the Secret Service to remove any posts that said anything close to that about Obama. One time Infowars has to delete a post that was something to the effect of, 'Obama is going to make me lose it.' Authoritarian censorship with anything related to violence and Obama, but then out of nowhere all these tweets pop up. No censorship. Fake accounts. Like I said... totally fucking obvious to anyone paying attention.

2. This progresses further as news of this hurricane starts to get around the internet. Suddenly the tweets are 'I'm going to riot after this storm hits.'

3. The storm hits, and people are fucking rioting....


They wanted the storm to be more severe so as to completely topple public order, bring in a state of emergency and hopefully get people to riot to the extend that martial law is declared, the elections are cancelled, and the martial law outcome that I've been saying is the goal for... OH i DON'T KNOW FUCKING 8 YEARS NOW would have been enabled.

That's why I'm saying, be thankfult here are forces out there to counterbalance that astounding level of ignorance that mostly defines America. The storm should have been a lot worse.

Haha... as someone once said about me... "This guy knows too much".

[statiktech]

I think we can conclude that it involves the weather, and something called orgonite.

Someone with a passion for learning might google that; someone without might not.

Or someone might just ask you since you brought it up. But that someone probably just won't care anymore after reading your pompous responses.

Someone might also think you've been hitting the sauce pretty hard.

[Mainstream]

It's not pompous. It's a fact. Learners learn. Non-learners make excuses. If you don't care about the world around you it's because you're pathetic and you're willing to accept whatever circumstances you're presented with. You can say whatever you want about me, what I just said is true.

How do you think I learned all of what I know? It wasn't with your attitude.

I'm not here to do all the work of sharing information with you guys you should know anyways. I'm here to state facts. What you do with them is up to you. I don't live in America. If you do, you should be telling -me- about this. Why is it the other way around?

[Mainstream]

I think we can conclude that it involves the weather, and something called orgonite.

Someone with a passion for learning might google that; someone without might not.

Why is google such a reliable way to get information?

Google/the internet is categorically the best, and at this point the only place to get answers. What do you want me to direct you a newspaper? Asking me is just going to result in a FUCKING INTERNET LINK ANYWAYS.

More excuses from non-learners.

[Mainstream]

"Do not weep; do not wax indignant. Understand."
—Spinoza

Hypocrite of the highest order.


You're all pathetic.

[Mainstream]

That would have been Gobbo's territory.

Too bad he was driven off.

You are Gobbo.

Gobbo had some compassion for you fools.

Mainstream thinks you all deserve to be enslaved.

[statiktech]

How do you think I learned all of what I know? It wasn't with your attitude.

Thank Christ.

And, for the record, I wasn't trying to be insulting with my initial reply. I went and looked up what orgone was before I posted it, but that still doesn't tell me what an "orgone team" is or does. Do you sit over coffee and discuss the merits of orgone, or are you actually manning a "cloudbuster", shooting pretend rays into the clouds?

[Stoic Guardian]

That would have been Gobbo's territory.

Too bad he was driven off.

You are Gobbo.

Gobbo had some compassion for you fools.

Mainstream thinks you all deserve to be enslaved.

If i had your perception of the world i'd of reached that conclusion much sooner, not so much "deserve" to be enslaved, but apathetic to it.

[Stoic Guardian]

How do you think I learned all of what I know? It wasn't with your attitude.

Thank Christ.

And, for the record, I wasn't trying to be insulting with my initial reply. I went and looked up what orgone was before I posted it, but that still doesn't tell me what an "orgone team" is or does. Do you sit over coffee and discuss the merits of orgone, or are you actually manning a "cloudbuster", shooting pretend rays into the clouds?

Who knows maybe it actually works, but "Cloud buster" is such a lame name.

[Kriswest]

martial law? ROTFLMFAO it was declared down here after Katrina, it did not work, I can't see it working with those folks there either and there are far more.

[Mainstream]

Who knows

Those who bother to test it out. That's my whole point.

This is what I said to myself when I first read about orgonite:

"Hmm. This sounds crazy.... but if it's actually true, this would be completely life changing. It would be.... a whole new paradigm. It would not only prove chemtrails to a further degree, but it would prove an entire branch of science lost to the public, and also that the government is using that science."

So, because the ability to test it out was so easy, and the potential payoffs of learning 3 insanely interesting things all at once is well worth it, I went and tested it out myself. Who wouldn't, provided they truly care about learning? Unless they truly had a respect for themselves.

You're only fooling yourself by trying to turn this around on me. I've done everything I can do. There is no way I'm going to convey the entire paradigm in a forum post, now do I even have the time to. If you have no ability to learn independently then we're all fucked anyways.

[Mainstream]

martial law? ROTFLMFAO it was declared down here after Katrina, it did not work, I can't see it working with those folks there either and there are far more.

Katrina worked to near-perfection for what it was. I'm sure you saw a different story.

[Stoic Guardian]

I'll get around to it one of these days but that one website I went to didn't inspire confidence.

[Mainstream]

That's because I can tell you're being flippant.

Actually think about what is going on here. If you're going to delve into something seriously, then give it the caution and attention it deserves. Truly consider here briefly what would have to be occurring if this science is legit:

The whole community is going to be completely flooded with disinformation. It would by default have to be, and I knew this when I initially waded into these murky pools several years ago. Stop pretending to be a philosopher and actually be one. Think it over. If true, this a 70+ year secret project. They obviously want to keep a secret. Now, look at Reich's research, if only quickly. When you extrapolate it out to radionics, it undercuts the entire corporate structure. All of it. Medicine, oil. Why do you think they engaged in fucking book burning in 20th Century America? That's pretty crazy man. You gotta admit that. I don't think that happened anywhere, ever, in the 20th Century (in America) except with Reich... as he died in jail. I look(ed) at it like, this information is valuable. Somebody doesn't want me to know this at an alarming level and that makes me want to know it at a fanatic level.

It's exciting, invigorating, and ultimately not that hard—it's just to say that this is the realm of real conspiracies, where you have try give like 15% of an effort on your own. This is why I say I cannot just... 'explain' all of this on a philosophy forum in a post. Deeper truths don't work that way. All those other forums are filled with disinformation, and I cannot tell you how not to be affected. One must learn to develop their intuition to see through it. The only reason I'm on this forum is to try and inspire and develop real thinkers before its too late. People who can laugh as lies deflect off them like water droplets on the windshield of a Ferrari.

Disinformation, along with psychic attacks, and basically what amounts to just annoying computer hacking are the only tools the military can use without risking alerting the public to the fact that there is something going on. Be it with this, or other things. Pretty soon we'll be at the point where cops can just go around and just arbitrarily lock up anyone who addresses a topic that is deemed off-limits, but we're not fully there yet, so that's why it's important to, as I constantly stress here on this forum, ....do something.

So, are you going to be the person who is successfully repelled away from greater understanding because of a few basic tactics where you plant a few goofballs on a forum to talk about wacky stuff, or will you see through it?

[Mainstream]

You have to back this way up. I've been following this from the beginning:

1. The CIA started planting tweets to rile up the public about a week to two weeks ago about 'rioting if Romney wins.' 'Killing Romney if he wins.' 'Killing random people if Romney wins.' Just like... clearly COINTEL PRO planted stuff. It just exploded onto twitter without any provocation. And keep in mind, people on forums like Alex Jones' and other mainstream alt media outlets, all through the Obama campaign, would receive threats from the Secret Service to remove any posts that said anything close to that about Obama. One time Infowars has to delete a post that was something to the effect of, 'Obama is going to make me lose it.' Authoritarian censorship with anything related to violence and Obama, but then out of nowhere all these tweets pop up. No censorship. Fake accounts. Like I said... totally fucking obvious to anyone paying attention.

2. This progresses further as news of this hurricane starts to get around the internet. Suddenly the tweets are 'I'm going to riot after this storm hits.'

3. The storm hits, and people are fucking rioting....


They wanted the storm to be more severe so as to completely topple public order, bring in a state of emergency and hopefully get people to riot to the extend that martial law is declared, the elections are cancelled, and the martial law outcome that I've been saying is the goal for... OH i DON'T KNOW FUCKING 8 YEARS NOW would have been enabled.

You gotta understand half of these media figures are in on this agenda. They've been given the talk, "Yeah, you know, this is the plan, and you can either get on board or not." That, or they are masons just complicit in the agenda for those reasons.

Unless America gets its act together you guys are facing what is planned. It's an inevitability. In fact, it honestly may be too late already.