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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:15 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:You’re still here. Gotta count for somethin.





And what does that count for? If not the will .





to survive
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Sun Jul 10, 2022 5:15 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:You’re still here. Gotta count for somethin.





And what does that count for? If not the will .





to survive






4 an other





And if 0 means something even if an absence then what is an absence but a missing some thing or a gaping hole of a nothingness in that nothing which reduces to a point. An invisible, indivisible virtual point that is the alpha of a thing. That no thing is the absolute necessity for every thing the sane or other than what it is.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:13 pm

And that is what the will is.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:30 pm

Good will or nah.
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:13 pm

Beneath the point of the will, the emmissary that traverses the chaotically astounding multiplicity abiding in redundant sensory overload , and the entropic formalism of elegance,
west to east ; all the tormented joys of pleasurable images fade to the present reality; old photographs of intermeidaries, that took their cue

From those formal instances of flash bulbs going off like fireworks of stars illuminating the deep azure.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:14 pm

Both or none will remember or be remembered, if it was not so designated.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:41 pm

The same difference abides within the so called 'Eastern' Religions and those in the West; ~ the formally exquisite subtlety of Zen versus the Vedantic richness of the Mahayana practice.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:56 pm

Zen is a branch of Mahayana Buddhism that originated in China, when Buddhists were introduced to Taoists.


The Hevajra Tantra dates to the late AD 800s and describes the benefits of engaging in sexual rites in order to elevate and transcend desire itself. On the folio below are the words: ‘by passion the world is bound; by passion too it is released.’ Sexual rites should not be ‘taught for the sake of enjoyment, but for the examination of one’s own thought, whether the mind is steady or wavering.’ Even celibate monks and nuns could engage with this method by internalising deities in union through visualisation.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:27 pm

Meno_ wrote:Beneath the point of the will, the emmissary that traverses the chaotically astounding multiplicity abiding in redundant sensory overload , and the entropic formalism of elegance,
west to east ; all the tormented joys of pleasurable images fade to the present reality; old photographs of intermeidaries, that took their cue

From those formal instances of flash bulbs going off like fireworks of stars illuminating the deep azure.


Beneath the point of the will
the emissary
traverses the chaotically astounding
multiplicity
abiding in redundant sensory overload
the entropic formalism of elegance,
west to east

all the tormented joys of pleasurable images
fade to the present reality; old photographs intermediaries
that took their cue

From those formal instances
of flash bulbs going off like fireworks
of stars illuminating the deep azure.

Juuuuuuust saying!! Holy wow.
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:50 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Beneath the point of the will, the emmissary that traverses the chaotically astounding multiplicity abiding in redundant sensory overload , and the entropic formalism of elegance,
west to east ; all the tormented joys of pleasurable images fade to the present reality; old photographs of intermeidaries, that took their cue

From those formal instances of flash bulbs going off like fireworks of stars illuminating the deep azure.


Beneath the point of the will
the emissary
traverses the chaotically astounding
multiplicity
abiding in redundant sensory overload
the entropic formalism of elegance,
west to east

all the tormented joys of pleasurable images
fade to the present reality; old photographs intermediaries
that took their cue

From those formal instances
of flash bulbs going off like fireworks
of stars illuminating the deep azure.

Juuuuuuust saying!! Holy wow.





And I can only hear the gasps, course me no ing that u surmising this to be contemptible , as the primary goal leaks through the limits of reason?

The problem with the elegant gestures of Zen , East of Krakatoa( jus' saying for it's mysterious firaging) IS that it is as subtle as it can be delicately deadly.

The preordinate Image remains as pure as white.
The point being: some can not experience the miracle of the rose, without the futile workings offering some method. Maybe the will offers that hope.

The doubly folded western understanding, can not but furitively glance at the true intent of representational vanity in full bloom
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:52 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:
Meno_ wrote:Beneath the point of the will, the emmissary that traverses the chaotically astounding multiplicity abiding in redundant sensory overload , and the entropic formalism of elegance,
west to east ; all the tormented joys of pleasurable images fade to the present reality; old photographs of intermeidaries, that took their cue

From those formal instances of flash bulbs going off like fireworks of stars illuminating the deep azure.


Beneath the point of the will
the emissary
traverses the chaotically astounding
multiplicity
abiding in redundant sensory overload
the entropic formalism of elegance,
west to east

all the tormented joys of pleasurable images
fade to the present reality; old photographs intermediaries
that took their cue

From those formal instances
of flash bulbs going off like fireworks
of stars illuminating the deep azure.

Juuuuuuust saying!! Holy wow.





And I can only hear the gasps, course me no ing that u surmising this to be contemptible , as the primary goal leaks through the limits of reason?

The problem with the elegant gestures of Zen , East of Krakatoa( jus' saying for it's mysterious firaging) IS that it is as subtle as it can be delicately deadly.

The preordinate Image remains as pure as white.
The point being: some can not experience the miracle of the rose, without the futile workings offering some method. Maybe the will offers that hope.

The doubly folded western understanding, can not but furitively glance at the true intent of representational vanity in full bloom




And reversely, East to West (twilight)
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:33 am

Yes. Because love is not (just) a feeling/emotion.

Hm.

You got me thinking again.

You won’t let me forget this time, will you?

:-) So buried.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jul 12, 2022 1:37 am

Ichthus77 wrote:Yes. Because love is not (just) a feeling/emotion.

Hm.

You got me thinking again.

You won’t let me forget this time, will you?

:-) So buried.




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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 3:45 am

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Ninth.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:09 am

Translate?

O Freunde, nicht diese Töne!
Sondern laßt uns angenehmere anstimmen,
Und freudenvollere.
Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
Wem der große Wurf gelungen,
Eines Freundes Freund zu sein,
Mische seinen Jubel ein!
Ja, wer auch nur eine Seele
Sein nennt auf dem Erdenrund!
Und wer's nie gekonnt, der stehle
Weinend sich aus diesem Bund.
Folgen ihrer Rosenspur.
Küsse gab sie uns und Reben,
Einen Freund, geprüft im Tod;
Wollust ward dem Wurm gegeben,
Und der Cherub steht vor Gott!
Froh, wie seine Sonnen fliegen
Durch des Himmels prächt'gen Plan,
Laufet, Brüder, eure Bahn,
Freudig, wie ein Held zum Siegen.
Freude, schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
Seid umschlungen Millionen.
Diesen Kuß der ganzen Welt!
Brüder! über'm Sternenzelt
Muß ein lieber Vater wohnen
Ihr stürzt nieder Millionen?
Ahnest du den Schöpfer, Welt?
Such' ihn über'm Sternenzelt!
Über Sternen muß er wohnen.
Freude schöner Götterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken
Himmlische, dein Heiligtum!
Seid umschlungen Millionen!
Diesen Kuß der ganzen Welt!
Freude, Tochter aus Elysium!
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt.
Alle Menschen werden Brüder,
Wo dein sanfter Flügel weilt.
Seid umschlungen, Millionen!
Diesen Kuß der ganzen Welt!
Brüder! über'm Sternenzelt
Muß ein lieber Vater wohnen.
Seid umschlungen!
Diesen Kuss der ganzen Welt!
Freude schöner Götterfunken!
Tochter aus Elysium!
Freude, schöner Götterfunken! Götterfunken!
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
Trans.: The glory of God is man fully alive.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:58 am

nm

I’ma just set this right here…
https://www.liveabout.com/beethovens-od ... ory-724410

… lol ok bye
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- A marriage of Sartre & Levinas

“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jul 12, 2022 2:51 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:nm

I’ma just set this right here…
https://www.liveabout.com/beethovens-od ... ory-724410

… lol ok bye




Thank You much the German text is partially understood along the lines of brotherhood of man will translate.

The 9 the symphony is probably as great or greater than Beach's St.Matthew Passion. Full of natural wonder and even curious games of awakening.

Much much can be said , about it.

How these monuments stand up to time.

Was in Vienna 3 years ago found Mozart's grave, simple white granite, we were only ones that mid summer's day the white hear of the white burning sun and only 2 people visiting this iconic man, out of billions.
How odd. Expecting more.
Said a little prayer to the heavenly muse, left knowing no return.

Note, I am visible on board at times yet not really there forgotten to sign out.

Ischtus thanks again and...
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Re: Double edged sword

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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 4:55 pm

What happened to him? …between the laughs.

The highest highs and the lowest lows of this world do not come close to touching the complexity who birthed and sustains it and loves it despite its imperfection.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:46 pm

"Wow!” ? Comedian Sam Kinison who died in a head-on collision in 1992 said to no one in particular: “I don't want to die. I don't want to die.” But then there was a pause as if Kinison were listening to someone."
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jul 12, 2022 6:48 pm

Ichthus says:

"The highest highs and the lowest lows of this world do not come close to touching the complexity who birthed and sustains it and loves it despite its imperfection."

menosays:


Beyond comprehension God in and out, inside outside all around, can do to it, to him, and his Self
, what made Him
(do It) (for other wisdom no living)
Proof, that reflection
From the darkest inked blue puddle
Could give a thought, .make one make some one
Happy.


Here is an example like could have been John Belushi
Back in the day.

"Last time I saw you
We did coke in a closet
At the Chateau Marmont
We were happy and on it
There were too many people
There was fun there was evil
And we both took the ride
It was colder than fuck
For a night in LA
And I couldn't stop thinking
If I was ok
You were making me laugh
Shit was making me sway
And I thought I could fly
How low can you go?
'Cause I wanna know
How low can you go?
How low can you go?
'Cause I wanna know
How low can you go?
I heard that you stopped
Have some kids and a guy
I was happy and sad
But I didn't know why
I still think of you now
While I'm touching the sky
It's been a long, long time
And so much happens in between
The days catch fire like gasoline
Just tell me what's the worst you've seen
I wanna know
How low can you go?
'Cause I wanna know
How low can you go?
How low can you go?
'Cause I wanna know
How low can you go?
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:09 pm

Then he asked, “But why?” and after another pause “Okay, Okay, Okay.” A friend who was with him said, “Whatever voice was talking to him gave him the right answer and he just relaxed with it.”
http://www.finalwordsproject.org/a-few-final-words.html

Thank you.

Connectionism is us liking ideas like the tongue tastes food rather than wolfing it.

The Idea… the most freely like-able idea we’re born liking…

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“ Gloria Dei est vivens homo. “
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Jul 12, 2022 7:25 pm

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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:03 pm

Now again, a venerated man, on his deathbead: such a contradiction: a few before this as well:



https://youtu.be/4r5Ex7_CWr8
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:08 pm

Meno_ wrote:Now again, a venerated man, on his deathbead: such a contradiction: a few before this as well:


https://youtu.be/-ikHIDKIdwY
https://youtu.be/4r5Ex7_CWr8
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