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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:44 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:We can't control the public narrative on the internet forum anymore, we're losing control, quick, we need more moderation to put the dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents back into their place again! 8) :lol:

That will show them! 8)


Again, I have provided you and Wendy with a framework [above] in which to discuss what I construe to be your fulminating fanatic "narrative". One I would venture to suggest is more conduce to a philosophy forum: where introspective intelligence actually matters.

But, again, from my frame of mind, you are too chickenshit to go there.

Why?

Here I can only speculate further. But I suspect it's because in that sort of discussion you would be sorely exposed as just another "fulminating fanatic" with little or not depth in which to defend yourself.

Or, sure, you can go there and prove me wrong. Expose me as the fool. Come on, you know you are itching to, right? I'm thumping you here. Turn it around.

But: Can you?

Oh, almost forgot: a nod to Phyllo.
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 05, 2021 6:57 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
phyllo wrote:1
2

False dichotomy


To me, Biggie, most posts?

Biggie, who aren't you obsessed with? Half of your posts lately refer to KT, Zero Sum, Phone, and god knows how you pester pedro, and me. Chillax.



As promised, I created that new thread: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=196576

So, pass the word on to any other members of the Coalition.

You and they can choose both the truth to defend and the context in which to defend it.

Here is an opportunity for the Coalition to at least expose me as an archenemy of the Truth.



Look, I'm expecting some really deep thinking here, okay?

In fact, let's make this thread the one that turns it all back around for ILP. The thread that actually brings philosophy back!!







Yo, Only_Humean, Faust, Moreno, Phyllo, Mo, carleas, zoots! We'll be looking for you!!
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby phyllo » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:15 pm

iambiguous wrote:
phyllo wrote:1
2

False dichotomy


We'll need a context of course.
False dichotomy in all contexts
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:51 pm

phyllo wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
phyllo wrote:1
2

False dichotomy


We'll need a context of course.
False dichotomy in all contexts


Context number one:

1] the Earth is flat
2] the Earth is round

or

Context number two:

1] Trump is a great president
2] Trump is not a great president

Or, sure, I am missing your point regarding what you mean here by a "false dichotomy".
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby Mr J » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:03 pm

phyllo wrote:So what did the "dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents" gain with this victory?


*Looks around at the present forum board* Everything. 8)
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:28 pm

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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:40 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
phyllo wrote:So what did the "dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents" gain with this victory?


*Looks around at the present forum board* Everything. 8)


This sure sounds like a chickenshit answer to me.

If he knows what I mean.

Or, sure, he can take up my offer above and put me in my place. :lol:
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby Mr J » Tue Jan 05, 2021 10:56 pm

iambiguous wrote:
This sure sounds like a chickenshit answer to me.

If he knows what I mean.

Or, sure, he can take up my offer above and put me in my place. :lol:


You're really not worth the effort Biggie, Peter is more interesting than you are and that's saying quite a lot. 8)

You're like a pre-recording that is on eternal repeat.
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby phyllo » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:15 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
phyllo wrote:So what did the "dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents" gain with this victory?


*Looks around at the present forum board* Everything. 8)
They trashed the place and now rule over the garbage pile. =D>
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby phyllo » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:23 pm

Context number one:

1] the Earth is flat
2] the Earth is round

or

Context number two:

1] Trump is a great president
2] Trump is not a great president

Those aren't actually contexts.

Whatever they are, there is a "real" component and a "unreal" component in the position that a person takes in both cases.
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby Mr J » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:26 pm

phyllo wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
phyllo wrote:So what did the "dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents" gain with this victory?


*Looks around at the present forum board* Everything. 8)
They trashed the place and now rule over the garbage pile. =D>


That's actually what I thought this place was with all the moderators, one man's trash is another man's treasure. I like it here now, has that Wild West kind of vibe.

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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:40 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
This sure sounds like a chickenshit answer to me.

If he knows what I mean.

Or, sure, he can take up my offer above and put me in my place. :lol:


You're really not worth the effort Biggie, Peter is more interesting than you are and that's saying quite a lot. 8)

You're like a pre-recording that is on eternal repeat.


Come on, you can't even be honest with yourself.

On the "is iambiguous" I actually got you to post this:

Zero_Sum wrote:
["Joker hasn't (doesn't) change!" "He doesn't believe in anything!"]


8) I actually have the last five years to a great extent concerning my own philosophical thinking or perception of existence. 8)

Specific instances, the longest time I was an anarchist but now I'm a totalitarian fascist of the ethnic or racial nationalist variety. [Pro working class and common people also.] In many ways I admire governmental monarchy or autocracy as well.

I was a nihilist for the longest time too, now I would describe myself as an objectivist but of a lesser arrogant variety in that I posit there are some things beyond human understanding that we'll never truly really know. I'm fine with that and I don't see the big deal regarding it.

I was an atheist for the longest time, now I would describe myself as a polytheistic pagan Gnostic with an affinity for mysticism, the esoteric, and the general occult. I lean kinda towards pantheism.

I'm trying to be moral or ethical these days, but I must admit my morality and ethics are probably different than most in an unconventional sense. I definitely don't view tolerance, forgiveness, or pacifism as virtues.


Things that haven't changed:

I'm still a naturalist in that for me nature dominates humanity not the other way around, I'm pro all things natural. I'm very much an environmentalist and admirer of biological nature in all its forms.

I'm still a pessimist or cynic regarding human nature.

I absolutely despise cultural Marxism in all its forms.

I absolutely detest feminism and my overall opinion of a majority of females or women is currently at an all time low.

I still hold a reverence for chaos and I believe chaos is the true universal order of all existence.

I absolutely despise modernity and modern society.

I still view a majority of human beings as being corrupt assholes where a great majority of them simply need to die in one shape or form. Sometimes the only cure to problems is a bunch of dead people.

I still absolutely despise Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, to me they're a bunch of shithole desert religions that have plagued humanity for far too long. I like to believe a world without all three is possible.

I would describe myself as a traditional conservative but this neo conservatism that exists today I find myself criticizing a lot.

I still despise both communism and crony capitalism, I'm a middle of the road kind of guy economically where I believe in a mixed economy.

My overall pessimism or cynicism of the future of humanity has not changed.

I'm still a big critic of technological progressivism and transhumanist ideology.

I would still describe myself as a lackadaisical hedonist and somewhat of a slacker. It's my own nature.

I still believe violent revolution or insurrection is the only way forward for change. I absolutely despise democracy and neo-liberalism. I view political voting to be useless where masturbation has more value.

I still despise the international oligarchy or plutocracy that now dominates our entire planet.

I still despise the United States government and I view both political parties in our nation to be one giant joke.

And yes, I still believe the world is on the verge of economic collapse [especially the United States] along with being on the verge of yet another world war. Modern civil wars being a new favorite subject of mine.

And yes, I still believe there is an international group of conspirators that want to install a one world government along with a one world currency.


Just a small illustration here of my current views for the two in this thread that say I don't have any. 8)

"Hurr Durr, he's just a young punk kid that doesn't believe in anything." :-k


I took you seriously and posted this:

iambiguous wrote:
Okay, no "Zero_Brains" here. I'll assume that you are attempting to encompass your Self in a manner in which most would expect when going into a philosophy forum: seriously, introspectively.

Thus:

Think through what you are saying...

Like me, you have been through a number of identity changes.

Now, when this happens there are two ways to approach it:

1] there is a "real me" and there is a set of moral and political values that encompass objectively "the right thing to do". You thought it was one thing, then another, then another.

2] there is no "real me" and there is no set of moral and political values that encompass objectively "the right thing to do". Instead "I" here is embodied subjectively/existentially in dasein, in moral and political prejudices...in the arguments I make for it/this in my signature threads; and specifically in this thread: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 1&t=176529 .

Or, sure, any possible alternative assessment.

Also, once you change your moral and political frame of mind, you are acknowledging that you were once wrong about the is/ought world around you. And, once you acknowledge this, you are acknowledging that, sure, you might be wrong again. You are acknowledging that, yeah, given new experiences, new relationships and access to new information, knowledge and ideas, you might be prompted to change your mind again. And again.

Right?

Now, this is how "I" think about these things.

So, what I suggest is that we focus in on a particular set of circumstances in which we can examine our respective moral and political philosophies. Given all of the points we raise above.

And, most important of all, I'm less interested in what you or I believed/believe regarding all of the things you and I were/are, and more interested in how exactly you and I would go about demonstrating to others that all rational men and women are obligated to think and feel the same.

You say that "here and now" you are a "polytheistic pagan Gnostic with an affinity for mysticism, the esoteric, and the general occult. I lean kinda towards pantheism."

Okay, let's zero in on a particular context, a particular set of "conflicting goods" in which as this you now choose one set of behaviors that you would not have chosen as one of the many things you once were previously.

As this relates to my own interest in philosophy: morality here and now, immortality there and then.

And as it relates to your interests.

You can start a new thread on the board you feel it is most appropriate regarding. Or keep it all here.

But: Let's start here before moving on to all of the things that have not changed for you.


Note to others:

Go to the thread and see what he allowed that exchange to devolve into: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... 5&start=25

He blinked. He chickened out. He reconfigured back into the Fulminating Fanatic Zero_Brains cartoon character instead.

He showed me that he can go to a more introspective serious frame of mind, but, once challenged by my "framework" there and here, it was no longer any "fun".
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby Mr J » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:06 am

You're a knit picker Biggie, you ask people why they believe in everything and anything that at the first recourse you'll refuse to do for yourself by comparison. "I'm Biggie, I am here to tell you why I'm right on everything and why you're wrong, but remember everybody, I'm a nihilist."

At least when I go about explaining people's errors I at least explain for reasons why, you on the other hand don't bother explaining anything at all where it is all dasein, "we cannot know anything", or your usual political masturbations of why neo-liberalism is always right [You ironically believe in without question amusingly] but without calling yourself a neo-liberal of course because you think you're so clever.

You're a waste of time, cringe worthy and embarrassing really. I'd rather take a cheese grater to my own nut sack then listen to you because you offer nothing. In comparison I would find more insights in Ecmandu than I would with you. :lol:
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:49 am

Zero_Sum wrote:You're a knit picker Biggie, you ask people why they believe in everything and anything that at the first recourse you'll refuse to do for yourself by comparison. "I'm Biggie, I am here to tell you why I'm right on everything and why you're wrong, but remember everybody, I'm a nihilist."

At least when I go about explaining people's errors I at least explain for reasons why, you on the other hand don't bother explaining anything at all where it is all dasein, "we cannot know anything", or your usual political masturbations of why neo-liberalism is always right [You ironically believe in without question amusingly] but without calling yourself a neo-liberal of course because you think you're so clever.

You're a waste of time, cringe worthy and embarrassing really. I'd rather take a cheese grater to my own nut sack then listen to you because you offer nothing. In comparison I would find more insights in Ecmandu than I would with you. :lol:


Gasp! More chickenshit tripe from Zero_Brains!!

Again, as with so many others of his ilk here, he is absolutely shameless.

Nothing embarrasses him anymore.

Nor me, right? :wink:

Now it's only a matter of tuning in to see just how far down into the drivel he will allow himself to go.

Yo, Pedro! You're being challenged here!! :lol:

Also, a nod to Phyllo.
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby Mr J » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:33 am

iambiguous wrote:
Gasp! More chickenshit tripe from Zero_Brains!!

Again, as with so many others of his ilk here, he is absolutely shameless.

Nothing embarrasses him anymore.

Nor me, right? :wink:

Now it's only a matter of tuning in to see just how far down into the drivel he will allow himself to go.

Yo, Pedro! You're being challenged here!! :lol:

Also, a nod to Phyllo.


Sticks and stones Biggie. :lol:
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:05 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Gasp! More chickenshit tripe from Zero_Brains!!

Again, as with so many others of his ilk here, he is absolutely shameless.

Nothing embarrasses him anymore.

Nor me, right? :wink:

Now it's only a matter of tuning in to see just how far down into the drivel he will allow himself to go.

Yo, Pedro! You're being challenged here!! :lol:

Also, a nod to Phyllo.


Sticks and stones Biggie. :lol:


Of course here he's just channeling Pedro. Another Chickenshit.
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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby Artimas » Fri May 28, 2021 7:56 pm

phyllo wrote:
To MAKE meaning.
Well, yeah.

But these guys who talk about meaninglessness, generally want some sort of deity to come and tell them what they should be doing ... "Become an accountant because it's part of my grand plan for the universe." - "Yes, Lord." - "What next, Lord?"

What else could it be, right?


Lol reminds me of bill hicks. Hope you’re all well.

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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby Artimas » Fri May 28, 2021 7:58 pm

phyllo wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
phyllo wrote:So what did the "dissidents, peasants, and general malcontents" gain with this victory?


*Looks around at the present forum board* Everything. 8)
They trashed the place and now rule over the garbage pile. =D>


Agree, we should make it so that if someone loses a debate within the premise of philosophical rules, they are prone to bans or mutes if they keep going on with bs.

Like why have logical fallacies as a concept if never enforced? They are there for a reason. I think it’s good to have an open mind and less censorship but not when people spout completely irrelevant shit that has no ending point in anything or anywhere logical or improving.

Even nothing, is something.
If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

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"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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Re: A nod to Phyllo

Postby Artimas » Fri May 28, 2021 8:00 pm

There are no books in history worth remembering that have any irrelevant spouting of non-philosophy in the section of philosophy, like what is allowed here.

Even nothing, is something.
If one is to live balanced with expectations, then one must learn to appreciate the negative as well, to respect darkness in its own home.

All smoke fades, as do all delicate mirrors shatter.

"My ancestors are smiling on me, Imperials. Can you say the same?"

"Science Fiction today ~ Science Fact tomorrow"

Change is inevitable, it can only be delayed or sped up. Choose wisely.

Truth is pain, and pain is gain.


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