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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby iambiguous » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:41 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Settle down iam, Jesus...


I have already explained to you what is at stake for me here at ILP:

...my own story here might be construed as particularly bathetic. Back before various "social media" like twitter and facebook became the preferred platforms for philosophy...I was once a member of the larger, more "prestigious" philosophy forum online, The Philosophy Forum: https://thephilosophyforum.com/

But, for posting pretty much the same sort of thing I post here, Postmodern Beatnik -- out of the blue! -- "banned me for life".

Anyway, I went looking for another forum and settled on ILP.

And, back then, there really were far, far, far more discussions started and then sustained by those who, for whatever personal reason, were avid philosophers. Far fewer Kids and "social media" types.

So, basically, I put all my eggs in the ILP basket.

I started my signature threads including quotes, music and film. I commenced my "back to the beginning" series. I contributed any number of posts aimed at precipitating exchanges relating to that which is of most interest to me: how ought one to live given the stark reality that there may or may not be an actual Judgment Day.

Alas, however, ILP has gone more in the direction of the Kids, the yak yak yakkers, and the rabid [often unintelligible] political objectivists.

But: it's too late for me anyway. I'm an "old man", wallowing in distractions and waiting for godot. But, who knows, if more minds like Mo's and Faust's and Only_Humean's do become attracted to the forum, the Kids and social media types might be shunted aside.

In any event, given my own actual "set of circumstances", it is all now way, way "beyond my control".


You? Come on, I gave you more than ample opportunity to explore the parameters of philosophy with me. Instead, over and again, you were reduced down to your "you dirty commie" claptrap.

Look, either ILP might reconfigure back into what it more or less was when I first became a member or folks like you and smears will yak yak yak it into oblivion.

And here [for me] that only need unfold on the philosophy board, the religion board and the politics board.

The yakkers can own and operate everything else. And it's not yakking itself that bothers me. After all, I've done my own fair share of it, right?. I'd just like to see more serious exchanges on the serious boards.

But it's just another subjective point of view is all. In regard to something that occupies me for only a few hours a day. Most of what I post here is meant by and large for a handful of the virtual friends that I have kept up exchanges with down through the years. That will go on whatever happens here.

And it's all no less an existential contraption.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:47 pm

Poor iam.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:50 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Poor iam.




Poor U?

You should see me!
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:18 pm

Hahaha.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:55 pm

Zero_Sum wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:i mean right now the site is like 3 crazy brainwashed trumpers, a kook who blabbers about being in touch with the cosmos, a guy who thinks everyone is an objectivist except him, i mean who could actually look around here and feel as though there was any expectation that they carry on normal discourse or have any kind of serious conversation?


Well, there's that philosophical pimp or gigolo that lived in Alabama once, so there's that too. [Relocated to Texas?]

I like to think of this site as the philosophy forum of fringe thinkers and crackpots myself, kinda like a cyber tea table of the Mad Hatter in an Alice In Wonderland novel.



if ur stalking me ur doing a bad job i didnt relocate to texas
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:57 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Settle down iam, Jesus...


hes so triggered he cant even help it that bitch cant handle a simple breakdown of why hes an idiot he just has to go back into his autistic loop and start name calling i mean lolwtf
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:00 pm

He was supposed to be some kind of Big Man, I don't get it.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:04 pm

people like my thread where everyone can casually chat a bit and its been popular because of that.

iambig things its harmful to the site.

no one likes his bullshit which i believe actually repels people who have to deal with him going in his autistic loop all the time and trying to make every thread about his confusion.

no person seeking to have an earnest discussion of philosophy would listen to that shit for more than a day as evidenced by his threads. his ego requires him to ignore that reality and find someone else to blame and i guess he has chosen me.

iambiguous, you fundamentally misunderstand the nature of distinctions in and of themselves and you may well lack the aptitude to ever get it. your schema where you assert that there is a philosophical problem underlying nearly all decisions actually does not assert a problem at all. it just shows that you misunderstand the nature of decisions. your smugness and use of silly disclaimers to place yourself above others is absurd, comes off as a weak coping mechanism for your insecurity about what you must know is the real issue because you arent actually that dumb. you have to face reality man you have not come up with a novel contribution to philosophy and no matter how many convos you hijack here it just isn't fucking happening. now go ahead and call me names, talk about skyhooks, shift your goalposts, ignore your own fallacies, misunderstand the nature of distinctions in and of themselves, misunderstand the nature of decisions in and of themselves, type out your yak yak yak bit, call everyone kids and stay stuck in your autistic loop because lets be real...we all know that that is all that you are capable of doing.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby iambiguous » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:28 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Settle down iam, Jesus...


hes so triggered he cant even help it that bitch cant handle a simple breakdown of why hes an idiot he just has to go back into his autistic loop and start name calling i mean lolwtf


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Explain this to him, Pedro. 8)
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:34 pm

Ok but you promise you won't cry?
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Meno_ » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:52 pm

There are already torrents forming rivers of tears, what can things get more obvious.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:59 pm

Hmm... I'm starting to suspect something...
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby iambiguous » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:15 am

Mr Reasonable wrote: people like my thread where everyone can casually chat a bit and its been popular because of that.

iambig things its harmful to the site.


True, I would prefer a philosophy site more along the lines of The Philosophy Forum and Philosophy Now. Or even Know Thyself. But I would never argue that your thread is actually harmful.

On the contrary, it is only when the yak yak yak social media mentality that prevails there pops up on the philosophy, religion and government boards, that I take issue with it.

Shit Smears wrote: no one likes his bullshit which i believe actually repels people who have to deal with him going in his autistic loop all the time and trying to make every thread about his confusion.


On the contrary, my philosophy threads are frequented by many. Though I created them as much for my private exchanges with those who are not even members of ILP.

Shit Smears wrote: no person seeking to have an earnest discussion of philosophy would listen to that shit for more than a day as evidenced by his threads. his ego requires him to ignore that reality and find someone else to blame and i guess he has chosen me.


I doubt that even you believe this. Though, if you actually do, I would advise you to take Curly's advice and not feed the "troll". Neither one of us is likely to lose much sleep in that event.

Mr Reasonable wrote: iambiguous, you fundamentally misunderstand the nature of distinctions in and of themselves and you may well lack the aptitude to ever get it. your schema where you assert that there is a philosophical problem underlying nearly all decisions actually does not assert a problem at all. it just shows that you misunderstand the nature of decisions.

your smugness and use of silly disclaimers to place yourself above others is absurd, comes off as a weak coping mechanism for your insecurity about what you must know is the real issue because you arent actually that dumb. you have to face reality man you have not come up with a novel contribution to philosophy and no matter how many convos you hijack here it just isn't fucking happening. now go ahead and call me names, talk about skyhooks, shift your goalposts, ignore your own fallacies, misunderstand the nature of distinctions in and of themselves, misunderstand the nature of decisions in and of themselves, type out your yak yak yak bit, call everyone kids and stay stuck in your autistic loop because lets be real...we all know that that is all that you are capable of doing.


Here, as with KT and others, I can only ask you to take these accusations to the philosophy board. There, in regard to a particular set of circumstances involving conflicting goods at the existential juncture of identity, value judgments and political economy, we can compare and contrast the components of our respective philosophies.

As the exchange unfolds you can note particular instances of my failings.

Just say the word and I will create the thread. Or create it yourself.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:19 am

omg ur doing it again stop asking me to come to your safe space with u weirdo
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby iambiguous » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:16 am

shit smears wrote:omg ur doing it again stop asking me to come to your safe space with u weirdo


=D>
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:28 am

iamafag wrote:
shit smears wrote:omg ur doing it again stop asking me to come to your safe space with u weirdo


=D>


I mean anybody can do it, I don't know where this alleged philosophical acumen comes in.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Ecmandu » Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:06 pm

You know,

After re-reading this thread. I think Karpel is a bit of a snob.

He’s ‘saving’ ILP from ‘dead end conversations’.

You know what always strikes me funny about moral nihilists? They all think there is good/bad, right/wrong.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:10 pm

Ecmandu wrote:You know what always strikes me funny about moral nihilists? They all think there is good/bad, right/wrong.


Hahahahahahahaha, nailed it, Ec.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Mr J » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:03 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:i mean right now the site is like 3 crazy brainwashed trumpers, a kook who blabbers about being in touch with the cosmos, a guy who thinks everyone is an objectivist except him, i mean who could actually look around here and feel as though there was any expectation that they carry on normal discourse or have any kind of serious conversation?


Well, there's that philosophical pimp or gigolo that lived in Alabama once, so there's that too. [Relocated to Texas?]

I like to think of this site as the philosophy forum of fringe thinkers and crackpots myself, kinda like a cyber tea table of the Mad Hatter in an Alice In Wonderland novel.



if ur stalking me ur doing a bad job i didnt relocate to texas


I thought you did at one point, I didn't think Texas would really be your scene anyways.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby MagsJ » Sat Dec 05, 2020 12:12 am

iambiguous wrote:True, I would prefer a philosophy site more along the lines of The Philosophy Forum and Philosophy Now. Or even Know Thyself. But I would never argue that your thread is actually harmful.

I find those sites rather dull, ergo boring. Sorry Satyr. :D

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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:47 am

I suppose an implicit assumption of mine in this thread is that some people, though likely not all of them, are not really getting much out of their interactions (with people they consider trolls). Getting much on their own terms. But maybe they are. Maybe it's just pleasant to come and release some bile or feel unheard and disrespected in a long exchange or....(let me know what your motivations or positive side effects are). There's also the discussions with people who you consider morons or insane. How do these discussions work for you given whatever your preferences are?

I believe Magsj was the only person who went into any mixed feelings at all about interacting with someone she considers...actually I can't remember if it was troll or stalking or....what. But the impression was not that she expected to have some kind of interesting dialogue with this person.

Everyone else: are you ending up with experiences you want to have when you engage in insult matches or are repeatedly not engaged with by people you consider trolls or point out obvious flaws in their arguments but this never gets acknowledged? Is this this actually what you want and how so?

Is there anything addictive about these types of interactions?
Is there a tiny hope that around the next corner they will admit something or get sad and go away or......(what?)?
Would it bother you to simply leave a troll with the last word?
How does this all fit in with your interests and preferences?

For me the appeal had some hallucinated aspects. The around the corner this person will stop acting troll-like. Or that person will actually engage with what I write. Or being bothered about how they might interpret not responding to their last trolling post, etc. It wasn't simple. I did get things out of interactions with people I now consider trolls. IOW I got things that I consider of value to me. But there were also other motivations that I don't respect so much. And most of them hinged me to the troll. Of course a troll or systematically disrespectful poster can change or notice a pattern in themselves or finally realize that criticism has merit. But generally speaking these patterns last a long time. So, in terms of getting what I want, it was a waste of time. There are others where more can be learned.

And I suppose, GIVEN what people were actually saying to each other, over and over, it seemed possible that people were hinging themselves to discussions that, in the end, don't really fit their own values. But, hey, that's an assumption.

Perhaps this is actually working for most of you: to repeatedly post someone else is a moron or traitor or whatever [the list is rather long of labels, generally hurled as permanent labels (meaning the other person is something period)] over and over, or to try pointing out the same flaws in a position or posting-behavior that not only you but others have pointed out many times before.

What is that you are getting, in terms of your own values and goals?
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:41 am

Zero_Sum wrote:I thought you did at one point, I didn't think Texas would really be your scene anyways.



this is a fundamental misunderstanding of my nature. i am the scene.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Ecmandu » Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:52 pm

Like I said,

Differences of stuff doesn’t mean that opposites attract, it means we are curious about a perceived threat in existence (it’s instinct), so we decide to do that threat assessment work. That’s part of the work we do in life.

If mag really thinks I was either a troll or a stalker, that’s absurd.

She was triggered by my misogyny. She even said as much.

Everything I figured out in life is stuff I not only learned alone, but also learned the hard way.

I’m not very happy about that, as you can guess. My suffering was meaningless bullshit because 10,000 years of human shitheads didn’t figure it out before me and teach it.

So now I sit here, as I always have, and see no hope;

Except one thing: as I grow into my new mind, I see the value of teaching, I see the value of answers instead of problems to win/lose reality (my mirror realities).

So I chug along, in a meaningless life and by sheer force of will, try to make meaning out of it.
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Mr J » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:55 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:
this is a fundamental misunderstanding of my nature. i am the scene.


Right....
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Re: Don't feed a troll

Postby Mr Reasonable » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:59 am

Zero_Sum wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:
this is a fundamental misunderstanding of my nature. i am the scene.


Right....


exactly
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