Petition to unban lys

[phoneutria]

saucerful of secrets

A band typo. They meant to spell it like I did. A Saucer Full of Secrets. I read this in a rock journal.

[ crosses fingers ]

No way I'm going to go music dork on these particular forums. I am apparently lust waiting for an opportunity to say something smart.
That's just my reply to favorite pf album question.

[Zoot Allures]

Artimas: Well it depends on how many times you've listened to these albums. After the 362nd time you have to move on. There is only one musician you can listen to forever without becoming a retard, and that is the Maestro; Mr. Frank Vincent Zappa. You're not ready for him yet, though.

A true story: in 1987 my father parachuted into the Floyd show in Raleigh, N.C. as part of the opening act. He had colored smoke canisters on his feet and swirled around over the crowd as he came down. Pretty fuckin' cool, right? Well let me tell you what wasn't pretty fuckin' cool. At that time I was locked up in a private mental hospital called Holly Hill. The sonofabitch called me from the concert to tell me what a wonderful time he was having. I'm sitting in the day room with a bunch of teenage nut jobs watching reruns on TV and playing foos ball. The staff calls me out and says my dad's on the phone. He tells me the marijuana smoke was so thick he caught a contact buzz on the way down. Tells me the laser light show was fantastic. In the background I can hear them jamming.

Can you believe that? What an asshole, right?

Sounds to me like you're just a hater bro.. seem like a fucking leftsider.

No, I'm a darksider... of the moon.

[Artimas]

Artimas: Well it depends on how many times you've listened to these albums. After the 362nd time you have to move on. There is only one musician you can listen to forever without becoming a retard, and that is the Maestro; Mr. Frank Vincent Zappa. You're not ready for him yet, though.

A true story: in 1987 my father parachuted into the Floyd show in Raleigh, N.C. as part of the opening act. He had colored smoke canisters on his feet and swirled around over the crowd as he came down. Pretty fuckin' cool, right? Well let me tell you what wasn't pretty fuckin' cool. At that time I was locked up in a private mental hospital called Holly Hill. The sonofabitch called me from the concert to tell me what a wonderful time he was having. I'm sitting in the day room with a bunch of teenage nut jobs watching reruns on TV and playing foos ball. The staff calls me out and says my dad's on the phone. He tells me the marijuana smoke was so thick he caught a contact buzz on the way down. Tells me the laser light show was fantastic. In the background I can hear them jamming.

Can you believe that? What an asshole, right?

Sounds to me like you're just a hater bro.. seem like a fucking leftsider.

No, I'm a darksider... of the moon.

I listen to a lot of different music. Not just Pink Floyd. Also, yes that does sound like a dick move. Rofl a darksider.

[Mr Reasonable]

division bell ftw

[phoneutria]

*just


autocorrect, I swear

[phoneutria]

Yo lyssa I thought this was going to be a slam dunk. Gotta work on your PR babeh.

And it is not gilmore, it's gilmour.

[Orbie]

Granted, her edge is dwindling, but the gal still has a very good chance of beating the odds.

[phoneutria]

No. You explain to me how this thread contains a fallacy of equivocation. Please be specific.

Sure.

Let not the irony escape you, folks, that the people who are always criticizing modern society for leveling things down to a common denominator, are the people now crying that they don't get the same rights as everyone. The people advocating for a society of elitism and preference, in this case are thinking that they could use some equality.

In both bolded parts you refer to the same type of people, if I am not mistaken.
In the first bolded part, you refer to equal(same) rights - which is equality of opportunity.

In the second bolded part, you seem to be implying that elitism and preference are somehow incompatible with equality, but since elitism and preference are compatible with equality of opportunity (all have equal opportunity to prove themselves, and based on this they become elite/are preferred), I interpret that as you talking about equality of outcome.
Another reason I think you're talking about equality of outcome in this, second instance: The ones who use the word equality in a positive sense in modern times are almost always those who by equality mean equality of outcome - this means giving people different rights and opportunities, either more, in order to compensate for their genetic, natural deficiencies, or depriving them of rights so as to prevent their genetic, natural advantages to manifest in reality. Example: Affirmative action (prefering one race/sex over another), a fixed number of spots in some job that has to be occupied by a demographic X, etc.

Unrelated to this, just something I want to comment on too:

Those of you who do think that equality is good and that democracy is the way should definitely vote a yes.

A democracy is an equality of outcome based system - regardless of your intelligence and education, your vote counts the same as everybody else's, aka, the outcome is the same.
An equality of opportunity based system would try to account for people's inherent inequalities in voting so everybody would f.e. take a test which would determine how informed they are about politics, how knowledgeable they are about economics and politics, and how intelligent they are, and take all those into account to determine how much their vote would be worth. Of course, this is a much more complex system that is harder to set up, but hardly anything can be as bad as everybody's vote counting equally.

Equality of opportunity: everyone who obbeys the rules and tos can post.
Equality of outcome: "I want to push the limits and do things that I have been warned against, but I don't want to be denied the right to post." In other words, that the rules should conform to me.

[AutSider]

So what do you call it when the rules are claimed to be equal for all, but then people are treated unequally, the rules are suddenly all grey, and some get warned and banned for doing X while others do X and don't get banned because of ideological reasons, which are then attempted to be concealed under the 'grey area' excuse?

[phoneutria]

I call it "not a democracy".

[AutSider]

It has nothing to do with democracy. It could be that the banned ones are a minority, and that the majority agree that they should be banned, thus the decision was made in spirit of democracy.

[Mr Reasonable]

So what do you call it when the rules are claimed to be equal for all, but then people are treated unequally, the rules are suddenly all grey, and some get warned and banned for doing X while others do X and don't get banned because of ideological reasons, which are then attempted to be concealed under the 'grey area' excuse?

You call it the real world and then you tell people to grow up and deal with it.

[Arminius]

Last week I read one of Lyssa's KT posts and wanted to respond to it by an ILP private message, but I think she can't open private messages coming from ILP. So I respond by this post.

I almost forgot, but a note of thanks to Arminius for his unexpected support.

I hope you get to read this.

=>#

Yes. Thank you very much, Lyssa.

I hope you will come back to ILP, and I also hope you get to read this.

[Orbie]

The distinction is well noted, as between de-jure and de-facto applications of law. The trend is shifting toward de-facto.

[Arminius]

The distinction is well noted, as between de-jure and de-facto applications of law. The trend is shifting toward de-facto.

Which case do you mean?

[Only_Humean]

I was away while the vote was going on. So call it 13 to 10.

I'd just like to say that this was hardly a capricious decision. See rule 3.3 -
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=175550
That rule's been written down and stuck on the top of the Philosophy forum for over 4 years.

It was also not unannounced - Lyssa was explicitly given a warning by PM on the nature and gravity of the matter a couple of months ago, after her first breaches.

[James S Saint]

Well, if you are going to count votes after the deadline, you can make it 14:9.

[Only_Humean]

Well, if you are going to count votes after the deadline, you can make it 14:9.

Oh? You have the power to remove mine, then?

[Magnus Anderson]

Let not the irony escape you, folks, that the people who are always criticizing modern society for leveling things down to a common denominator, are the people now crying that they don't get the same rights as everyone. The people advocating for a society of elitism and preference, in this case are thinking that they could use some equality.

You are such a stupid person, aren't you? They aren't asking for equality, you dumb fuck, they are making fun of the inner workings of your psychology.

[phoneutria]

whereas I am dead serious, right?

[Magnus Anderson]

whatever you are you are also a dumb fuck.

[phoneutria]

Dumb fuck? What the fuck is this, preschool? Did you just learn new word and your trashy mom thought it was cute instead of smacking it out of you? Preschool level come back here, ladies and gents, get yours while it's still hot.

[iambiguous]

Dumb fuck? What the fuck is this, preschool? Did you just learn new word and your trashy mom thought it was cute instead of smacking it out of you? Preschool level come back here, ladies and gents, get yours while it's still hot.

Not to worry. He doesn't like me either.

You know, even less than you do.

Oh, and of course: Bring back Lys! Bring back Lys! Bring back Lys!

[James S Saint]

Well, if you are going to count votes after the deadline, you can make it 14:9.

Oh? You have the power to remove mine, then?

What do you mean?
I just did.