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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:11 am

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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:19 am

Subject to refinement stands. I trust God, but there’s plenty left to learn…of him…and of trust.

But if you need to close the discussion, I can respect that.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:33 am

Ichthus77 wrote:Subject to refinement stands. I trust God, but there’s plenty left to learn…of him…and of trust.

But if you need to close the discussion, I can respect that.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:37 am

Meno_ wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:Subject to refinement stands. I trust God, but there’s plenty left to learn…of him…and of trust.

But if you need to close the discussion, I can respect that.





So let’s leave it open, since there is no pressing need to close it.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 12:46 pm

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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:11 pm

When seeking an absolute, any absolute, there is more tolerance to bear limits, to withstand resistances. H The searc for Tnhe Source consists of succeeding crossing of more and more generalized prior premises, series of them. So is the pattern of deconstructing theme, as if excavating the built up blocks which gave support to the edifice constructed above it.


What gives this whole up and down effort some thoightfull directional reason or some resemblance with a will to begin and then draw some parrallism between the actual deconstruction with it’s inherent reductive limited reductive faculty?

I think as it becomes more obvious that perceptually sensible limits do exist such as space travel hampered by the speed of light, the reductive face that appears in the mirror turns back into the metaphore of the prayer to beg for more insight into the mind of The Absolute, the One. Who is beyond the invariable simulations which reasonable reduction can only approach, with the paradoxically furitive process of dissecting into smaller and smaller parts, as if there was some intrinsic resistance to be able to see the end of it.


By the end of it, includes a recursive new beginning and the Original is transposed into minor sunsets that defy aesthetic distance, devaluing the Whole into a kind of super positioned hypothesis.

The resistance gets almost absolutely impassable, at levels that seek to go through these phenomenal boundaries, and the original intention on the human scale reduces to the instinctive behavior which were supposed to originate opportunistically and gained through the slowly constructed ad hoc method of trial and error.

It got to complicated for Everyman to live in such unnatural world of symbols, so because the multitude of building blocks became a nothingness of sets of epigrams, abbreviations and methods by which reality may be reconstructed out of familiar and resembling structural compoments.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 1:21 pm

Meno_ wrote:When seeking an absolute, any absolute, there is more tolerance to bear limits, to withstand resistances. H The searc for Tnhe Source consists of succeeding crossing of more and more generalized prior premises, series of them. So is the pattern of deconstructing theme, as if excavating the built up blocks which gave support to the edifice constructed above it.


What gives this whole up and down effort some thoightfull directional reason or some resemblance with a will to begin and then draw some parrallism between the actual deconstruction with it’s inherent reductive limited reductive faculty?

I think as it becomes more obvious that perceptually sensible limits do exist such as space travel hampered by the speed of light, the reductive face that appears in the mirror turns back into the metaphore of the prayer to beg for more insight into the mind of The Absolute, the One. Who is beyond the invariable simulations which reasonable reduction can only approach, with the paradoxically furitive process of dissecting into smaller and smaller parts, as if there was some intrinsic resistance to be able to see the end of it.


By the end of it, includes a recursive new beginning and the Original is transposed into minor sunsets that defy aesthetic distance, devaluing the Whole into a kind of super positioned hypothesis.

The resistance gets almost absolutely impassable, at levels that seek to go through these phenomenal boundaries, and the original intention on the human scale reduces to the instinctive behavior which were supposed to originate opportunistically and gained through the slowly constructed ad hoc method of trial and error.

It got to complicated for Everyman to live in such unnatural world of symbols, so because the multitude of building blocks became a nothingness of sets of epigrams, abbreviations and methods by which reality may be reconstructed out of familiar and resembling structural compoments.





But memory did not serve the distance of aesthetic intent, other than of the gaze a few could observe and admire their own bellies, so the resistance to extend the quest to place the cut off ingredients of the epochs of evolution into different epigrams, the sign of which did not fit well with an absolute opposite intent to unify into a sensible whole, so the seeds to construct the third method of representing the growing dissent with this disharmonious state of affairs became the ground for it’s quantified formal reason of a new reconstruction . through reckaiming the many many blocks of the filled in material of those buildings, and memory should seve well, when the loss of it, will be prevented by it’s constant applicability in some remote cloud that will find a way to memorialize it ‘s present recall, by a yet unimaginable tecnicque of instant recall.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 2:01 pm

There is a bit on til too which shows a mother bull and it’s solitary young, being attacked by a pack of lions and how she tries courageously her unwary young.

That is the closest representation I have seen this far of what may be called loosely an example of some sourceful love.

Can the Absolute Love of The Father be epigrammed eternally? Do miracles above reason be the very proof of how innate intelligence is overcome by something much grander and inexplicable?

It would seem, the this whole show we call life, is pivoting toward that ultimate test? Of Faith, and why ?

Because certainty is eternally divide all the members who don’t really appreciate the work gone into this genius of construction that is always being constructed, and they are constantly working toward that end, as it has always been and will be, because it/IT is becoming self evident, while Everyman can not bear to not to see what he does not want to understand

It is for fear of zBeing , separated from Him , that he tries to reject Him, and resist because of the fear of the supernatural by which he is determined.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:02 pm

“It is for fear of zBeing , separated from Him , that he tries to reject Him, and resist because of the fear of the supernatural by which he is determined.”

who is “he” — Everyman?
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The thoughts/actions in your head should be both eternal and external. If they can’t be both, boot them. Not everyone is willing to part with the internal/external that is not in line with the eternal. That is why we don’t have heaven on earth.

Science: https://youtu.be/90sWAKwZHHE

Wisdom after forgetting, and rediscovering the written record of the forgotten: The only one you’re allowed to plagiarize is the self you no longer are.

Isn’t it “funny” how the religious rulers of Jesus‘ day wanted him crucified, and the secular rulers of our day want to turn him into a mere (at most) philosopher?
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:33 pm

Then why ask? -noman? certainly not me no
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 3:40 pm

I ask because I don’t know.
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The thoughts/actions in your head should be both eternal and external. If they can’t be both, boot them. Not everyone is willing to part with the internal/external that is not in line with the eternal. That is why we don’t have heaven on earth.

Science: https://youtu.be/90sWAKwZHHE

Wisdom after forgetting, and rediscovering the written record of the forgotten: The only one you’re allowed to plagiarize is the self you no longer are.

Isn’t it “funny” how the religious rulers of Jesus‘ day wanted him crucified, and the secular rulers of our day want to turn him into a mere (at most) philosopher?
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 4:44 pm

No one knows, but but yet believe…(even with sight unseen)

If we go like this , we(I) will land in a similar position to Ec, from whom we haven’t heard a while, and I don’t intend to give the impression that I disbelieve out and out, only raising the beneficially split or logically arrived to position, that Creation happened with a unitary purpose but allowed only a singular explanation.


In order to keep things real as much as possible.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:12 pm

Unitary. Singular.

Straaaaaangely similar.
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Wisdom after forgetting, and rediscovering the written record of the forgotten: The only one you’re allowed to plagiarize is the self you no longer are.

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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:52 pm

Ichthus77 wrote:Unitary. Singular.

Straaaaaangely similar.




…and familiar (should )
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:28 am

Meno_ wrote:
Ichthus77 wrote:Unitary. Singular.

Straaaaaangely similar.




…and familiar (should )





Relational between sensation and sensitivity, at times it’s thrust (of power) determines it’s will to choosw
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 1:41 am

Meno_, sometimes processing what you’re saying and thinking of replying to you is like telling my therapist what I see in this picture of a butterfly:
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Wisdom after forgetting, and rediscovering the written record of the forgotten: The only one you’re allowed to plagiarize is the self you no longer are.

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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 23, 2022 3:42 am

It looks like my coming Xmas in Paris, and the butterfly effect getting there.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 5:21 am

I think Nietzsche was mostly preaching to himself.
https://rsleve.people.wm.edu/FNLAS_1882.html
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Wisdom after forgetting, and rediscovering the written record of the forgotten: The only one you’re allowed to plagiarize is the self you no longer are.

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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:12 am

The tragedy of man consists in man unable/unwilling to discriminate and/or discriminate between the familiar and the familial.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:14 am

Where dysfunction is felt… teleological function is implied.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Fri Nov 25, 2022 7:27 am

On the other question, that dealt with why Nietzche didn’t act in the implications that trans valuation of values alluded to, was because he had knowledge of the serfdom of the soul, and he did figure the Platonic intent of lent up, repressed power stymied the will, and he probably felt the time coming when others like Marx would come along and transform Hegel to substantiate the consequences, literally, so as to empower the repressed popular anarchism intrinsic in the Spirit of man,

The pen is mightier then the sword, and it releases it’s implication when certain limits are reached.

Intolerance reaches the point when it becomes a pressure cooker, and all the unfocused reflections need only a magnifier to bring dry, brittle kindling to flames.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Ichthus77 » Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:40 am

Skip Marx & go to Weil. She got what he didn’t.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:06 pm

Yes, briefly though, for Marx shows the progressive elemental trail of upward moving kind of ‘mystical’ movement, conveyed as a primary edifice. With locked gates, limited by a conventional . Priority, that was powered by the spirit, sure,

That spirit of the times was indeed a teleological expression withstanding extra-logical participation. ( though unsure of Hegel’s religious affiliation will look up later); irrespective to that, although activism was taken up as a consequence to and as Weil probably thought of the adage: those who can not learn from the mistakes of history,,,,
And in fact her entry point was Marx’s realization of turning essential into the see-th after necessity of substantiating formality into a matter which activist’s can grasp,

This goes back to antiquity but as a latency that some object to as esoteric,


But such was the method of transmission through modernity, and sympathized negatively as with activism as some sort of unwary, evil manipulation, with the later social unconscious,





However the re-turn from to conventional immateriality, is another example of the higher formal elucidation that the Spirit impresses on the soul, and that is noteworthy-even as the analogous one that It is disbursed to the level of the originally multi form conflicting reflections in the box with the no exit sign.

The distinction between communism and socialism as well as that earlier confusion noted above.
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Sculptor » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:23 pm

Meno_ wrote:Yes, briefly though, for Marx shows the progressive elemental trail of upward moving kind of ‘mystical’ movement, conveyed as a primary edifice. With locked gates, limited by a conventional . Priority, that was powered by the spirit, sure,

That spirit of the times was indeed a teleological expression withstanding extra-logical participation. ( though unsure of Hegel’s religious affiliation will look up later); irrespective to that, although activism was taken up as a consequence to and as Weil probably thought of the adage: those who can not learn from the mistakes of history,,,,
And in fact her entry point was Marx’s realization of turning essential into the see-th after necessity of substantiating formality into a matter which activist’s can grasp,

This goes back to antiquity but as a latency that some object to as esoteric,


But such was the method of transmission through modernity, and sympathized negatively as with activism as some sort of unwary, evil manipulation, with the later social unconscious,


Do you do mayo with that?
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Re: Double edged sword

Postby Meno_ » Fri Nov 25, 2022 3:31 pm

No it dropped into a pond only making a few second of irregular circle shapes before clearing into a crystal calmness, like it never happened; oh wait see some face hovering in it , sculpted as if….oh no. Can”t be….
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