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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:09 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:
MagsJ wrote:Why he’d be a p(s)alm, of course..
I liked that, MagsJ. Wit is so intelligent.

Thank you for noticing my contribution to this thread, Arc..

Interestingly-enough, there would have been palm trees where Jesus lived.. I would presume something exotic, like dates and pineapples.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:11 pm

Good choice Magsj, but if God were a Tree, then He would clearly be ...a Christmas Tree
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Nov 20, 2021 5:17 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Good choice Magsj, but if God were a Tree, then He would clearly be ...a Christmas Tree

But god was around an eternity, before Jesus ever came along, so no.. god would not have been a Christmas Tree.

..also, please re-read my previous post to Arc for more clarity, on my thinking of the matter, here.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Arcturus Descending » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:18 pm

MagsJ wrote:
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MagsJ wrote:Why he’d be a p(s)alm, of course..
I liked that, MagsJ. Wit is so intelligent.

Thank you for noticing my contribution to this thread, Arc..

Interestingly-enough, there would have been palm trees where Jesus lived.. I would presume something exotic, like dates and pineapples.


Your welcome, MagsJ. Nutty flavored honey-like sweetness date palm News. Yummy.

In just a few short decades the flavors of the past will be shared around the world as "The Dates that Jesus Ate."
A15-year effort to germinate 2,000-year-old seeds from an ancient date palm is finally bearing fruit. The Judean dates from the time of Christ had long been considered extinct. Now the flavors of the past are poised to return thanks to a partnership between two scientists who dared to turn fantasy into reality.

Ancient seeds
The ancient seeds were discovered in the 1960s, during an archaeological dig at the ancient fortress of Masada. Soon after, another cache of seeds was discovered in Qumran, where the Dead Sea Scrolls were located. The seeds were stored for more than 40 years, until Dr. Sarah Sallon took an interest.

Sallon was determined to germinate the date palm seeds, a feat that is not altogether unheard of. Experts, however, did not think the germination of the ancient plants would be successful. According to Asharq Al-Awsat, the Dr. Sarah Sallon was called “mad” when she requested a small sample for the attempted revival. After “a lot of hassling,” as she described it, Sallon was eventually granted the sample, in 2004.

With the seeds secured, Sallon reached out to Elaine Solowey, a specialist in renewable agriculture from the Arava Institute for Environmental Studies in Kibbutz Ketura. The two partnered for the project and have been working together ever since.

In the video above, in which the fully-grown date palm dubbed “Hanna” may be seen, Solowey recalls the conversation that launched the project:

“Sarah sent me these seeds and then she said, ‘They’re from Masada.’ So I said, ‘Oh, that’s nice.’ And then she said ‘Try to sprout them.’ So I said “What?! How old are they?” She said ‘2,000 years old.’ So I said, ‘I can’t sprout these!’ She just said ‘Try.’”

Germination
Try Solowey did, after spending several weeks figuring out the best approach. With a small sample of only five seeds and only one chance to grow each, Solowey had to make sure there were no mistakes. The New York Times reports Solowey achieved the desired results through “horticultural tricks” such as warming, careful hydration, and treatments with plant hormones and enzymatic fertilizers.

It only took a few weeks for the sprout to appear, to Solowey’s astonishment. The Masada seeds grew into a plant which Sallon named “Methuselah,” for the biblical man who was known for his great age. Unfortunately the plant was a male, but Sallon and Salowey had proved that they could revive millennia-old seeds and that gave them the clout they needed to get more samples.

The pair sought and were provided with an additional 30 seeds, this time from the Qumran batch. Of this sample, another six seeds sprouted and three of these were female. The Qumran plants are still just fledglings, but Hanna has now yielded two successful harvests. Last year’s harvest produced about 100 dates, but this year there were more than 800.

Return of the Judean date
The dates, The New York Times explains, were briefly tasted by the team. They are described as having a nutty flavor, with a honey-like sweetness. After harvesting, about 100 samples were sent to the Ministry of Agriculture’s research site. The remainder will be measured, studied, and perhaps even used to create new plants.

The full study was published in the journal Scientific Advances, where Sallon and Salowey wrote:

“This study, which confirms the long-term survival of date palm seeds, provides a unique opportunity to rediscover the origins of a historic date palm population that existed in Judea 2,000 years ago. The characteristics of the Judean date palm may shed light on aspects of ancient cultivation that contributed to the quality of its fruit and is thus of potential relevance to the agronomic improvement of modern dates.”

Reports note that it is the goal of the project to create thousands of these date palm trees to mass-produce the ancient dates. They are considering marketing the fruit as “[The Dates that Jesus Ate,” which will raise money for future research projects.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby MagsJ » Sat Nov 20, 2021 8:18 pm

Arcturus Descending wrote:Reports note that it is the goal of the project to create thousands of these date palm trees to mass-produce the ancient dates. They are considering marketing the fruit as “[The Dates that Jesus Ate,” which will raise money for future research projects.[/b]

..will probably taste flavourful ..as the older species tend to do, pre over-hybridisation into modern crops.

..tho who’s gut and palette would it best suit..? taste and palettes, like all things, change over time.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Maia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:41 pm

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Maia wrote:https://skjalden.com/yggdrasil/

+++Yggdrasil is an eternal green ash tree in Norse mythology. It stands in the middle of the world, with branches that stretch out over all of the nine realms. Each realm hangs on its own branch, but if the tree should shake or fall, so will all the realms.+++

I like a bit of folklore.. such tree scenarios are probably where the Hymn ‘He’s got the whole world in his hands’ came from.. an all-encompassing god, depicted as a tree, the tree of life.. present in near-every religion on the planet, spanning millennia.


Absolutely. A tree connects the earth to the heavens, with as many roots in the ground as it has branches in the air.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:48 pm

What do you think of the Abrahamic God, Maia?

Spell it out, extensively.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Maia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:51 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:What do you think of the Abrahamic God, Maia?

Spell it out, extensively.


I think the Abrahamic god is an evil god, promoting violence and extremism. This is manifested most prominently, in our own day, by Islam, but Judaism and Christianity are no strangers to this either, especially in the past.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:57 pm

Maia wrote:I think the Abrahamic god is an evil god, promoting violence and extremism. This is manifested most prominently, in our own day, by Islam, but Judaism and Christianity are no strangers to this either, especially in the past.

Not quite as extensive as I was hoping...

But, I mean, what is the Abrahamic God as an object, or as an idea? What type of object is it? What type of person, if it is a person? You demonstrated the divinity of nature expressed by the symbolism of a Tree. So what is the Abrahamic God, what symbol is that?
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Maia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:12 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Maia wrote:I think the Abrahamic god is an evil god, promoting violence and extremism. This is manifested most prominently, in our own day, by Islam, but Judaism and Christianity are no strangers to this either, especially in the past.

Not quite as extensive as I was hoping...

But, I mean, what is the Abrahamic God as an object, or as an idea? What type of object is it? What type of person, if it is a person? You demonstrated the divinity of nature expressed by the symbolism of a Tree. So what is the Abrahamic God, what symbol is that?


I think it's possible that the Abrahamic god is a real entity, a minor war god who has convinced his followers that he's the all-powerful creator of the universe, and so on. Alternatively, he may be a thought-form created by his worshippers, giving him power and agency. Indeed, there may be no distinction between the two ideas.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:15 pm

My intuition is that the Abrahamic God is an amalgamation of old gods, and mostly a perversion of Zeus, maybe a perversion of Aries as you say here. It's a type of intentional twisting and slandering of the Pagan gods. But it does seem to recall even older gods, like the Egyptian worship of Rah, and the Persian worship of Zoroastrianism.

Maybe the Abrahamic God is a type of Leviathan with hundreds or thousands of tentacles... just my impression.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Maia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:19 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:My intuition is that the Abrahamic God is an amalgamation of old gods, and mostly a perversion of Zeus, maybe a perversion of Aries as you say here. It's a type of intentional twisting and slandering of the Pagan gods. But it does seem to recall even older gods, like the Egyptian worship of Rah, and the Persian worship of Zoroastrianism.

Maybe the Abrahamic God is a type of Leviathan with hundreds or thousands of tentacles... just my impression.


Yes, I think that's certainly possible. Even his original name, JHVH, recalls the name Jove, a Roman name for Jupiter (Zeus).

Leviathan, of course, is the seven-headed dragon of Revelation. At least in Kabbalistic lore.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:21 pm

Maia wrote:Yes, I think that's certainly possible. Even his original name, JHVH, recalls the name Jove, a Roman name for Jupiter (Zeus).

Leviathan, of course, is the seven-headed dragon of Revelation. At least in Kabbalistic lore.

Thank you darling, Jove is exactly what I was looking for. I knew you had it in you.

Has anybody told you that you're an absolute doll lately? *wink wink*
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Maia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:23 pm

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Maia wrote:Yes, I think that's certainly possible. Even his original name, JHVH, recalls the name Jove, a Roman name for Jupiter (Zeus).

Leviathan, of course, is the seven-headed dragon of Revelation. At least in Kabbalistic lore.

Thank you darling, Jove is exactly what I was looking for. I knew you had it in you.

Has anybody told you that you're an absolute doll lately? *wink wink*


Well, that little exchange turned weird very quickly...
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:24 pm

I'll just add, of course, that Dragons are supernatural creatures that can freely transform into human Avatars and back again...

I think this is relevant.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:25 pm

I apologize, you're right.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:30 pm

I didn't know that Jove referred back to Zeus.

And so it makes sense that Abrahamism is nothing more than a slander against the Greek pantheon.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Maia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:32 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:I didn't know that Jove referred back to Zeus.

And so it makes sense that Abrahamism is nothing more than a slander against the Greek pantheon.


A slander, definitely. No god in the Greek pantheon ever encouraged his worshippers to slaughter millions just because they don't believe in him.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:38 pm

Judaism is an Anti-Authoritarian ideology/religion. They were at war with whatever Gods reigned supreme in history. Thus, whatever represents a 'Masculine' type of idea, is opposed, deposed, and attempted to be destroyed. This has remained consistent for thousands of years.

Which is why, the Jewish interpretation of God and Divinity is unlike what other religions and peoples know.

There are many conflicting ideologies and religions involved in Abrahamism/Christianity/Judaism/Islam, and the rest.


I'm simply glad for your insight.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Maia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:41 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Judaism is an Anti-Authoritarian ideology/religion. They were at war with whatever Gods reigned supreme in history. Thus, whatever represents a 'Masculine' type of idea, is opposed, deposed, and attempted to be destroyed. This has remained consistent for thousands of years.

Which is why, the Jewish interpretation of God and Divinity is unlike what other religions and peoples know.

There are many conflicting ideologies and religions involved in Abrahamism/Christianity/Judaism/Islam, and the rest.


I'm simply glad for your insight.


Judaism, and its offshoots, Christianity and Islam, have promoted monotheism, authoritarianism and patriarchy throughout their history. It would be difficult to think of a more masculine-orientated ideology.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:43 pm

I always wondered what Jews, Christians, and Moslems recognized as their God. Are they seeing the same entity/symbol, but from different angles? Or, are there distinctly separate entities, and the denominations are worshipping actually different Gods? It seems to me, now, that they are indeed separate. And that the Abrahamic "God" is not a singular entity.

The "Mono"-theism is an intentionally misleading misnomer. They pretend like they're talking about the same entity, or referring to the same symbol, but they're not.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Maia » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:48 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:I always wondered what Jews, Christians, and Moslems recognized as their God. Are they seeing the same entity/symbol, but from different angles? Or, are there distinctly separate entities, and the denominations are worshipping actually different Gods? It seems to me, now, that they are indeed separate. And that the Abrahamic "God" is not a singular entity.

The "Mono"-theism is an intentionally misleading misnomer. They pretend like they're talking about the same entity, or referring to the same symbol, but they're not.


That's the problem with one-true-god-ism, of course, because it leads to conflict between believers over ridiculously minor points of detail, and accusations that the others are not worshipping the same god at all. I think it's easier to judge them by what they do. Does this god that they worship promote hatred and violence? Does it suppress women? Does it have a holy unerring scripture that you have to believe or else? Then it's probably the same god.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:54 pm

When it comes to 'YHWH', the Jewish God, my impression is that of a giant octopus with one-eye, that has thousands of tentacles that can extend infinitely. It can also be referred to as "Leviathan", as a creature of the sea. But it is distinctly separate from what the Christians perceive as "God", which is Jesus Christ as "The Son of God". I mean, the theology is all over the place and discordant, which is why common people are so easily confused as to their own spirituality.

I agree with the Græco-Roman view of the pantheon and polytheism: the 'Gods' are at war, and always have been, with one rising and falling to supremacy at different points in history. There is no "One God" because the gods that rise and fall are different. One Epoch is defined differently than others. Sometimes there are times of peace, and other times of war, as an obvious example. There are old gods, and there are new.
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby iambiguous » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:41 pm

Maia wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:What do you think of the Abrahamic God, Maia?

Spell it out, extensively.


I think the Abrahamic god is an evil god, promoting violence and extremism. This is manifested most prominently, in our own day, by Islam, but Judaism and Christianity are no strangers to this either, especially in the past.


Next up: the Abrahamic God and stalking.

You know, if He even exists at all. [-o<
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Re: What If God Were A Tree?

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Tue Nov 23, 2021 4:43 pm

iambiguous wrote:Next up: the Abrahamic God and stalking.

You know, if He even exists at all.

You may leave now, lamb. Your deep insights into "Dasein" are probably wanted... well, somewhere, maybe.
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