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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby pood » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:04 pm

Kropotkin is not a communist.

Why don’t you flesh out your earlier claim that the Mesoamericans really dug being enslaved, beaten, branded, chained, whipped, and put to work as slaves in mines by their Spanish Catholic conquistador friends. That’d be good for another hoot from you.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:05 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:*Historically wrong.


K: is that your attempt to have some wit? I was born hard of hearing,
and when I went to school, the way to teach spelling was to
do it phonetically... by spelling the word the way it sounds...
which a hard of hearing or deaf person cannot do... hence,
I am a terrible speller... I can't hear the word, thus I cannot
spell it...and I am actually much better at it then I used to be...
even though my hearing is much worse now.....

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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby pood » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:05 pm

Not to mention having their temples razed, their religions destroyed, and almost the entirety of the codexes consigned to the flames. Nice church ya got there, with the big guy upstairs. Doe he literally have a beard, too?
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:06 pm

as is usual for an ILP thread, this thread is about as far away from
talking about atheism, as a thread could get....

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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:09 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:*Historically wrong.


K: is that your attempt to have some wit?

R: it's not wit, it's called basic grammar...
maybe they don't teach that anymore...
or it doesn't show up in your books...

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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:13 pm

pood wrote:Not to mention having their temples razed, their religions destroyed, and almost the entirety of the codexes consigned to the flames



Yeah, it's really fucked up what happened to the peoples conquered by the Aztecs.

Oh wait, you were talking about Spain.

Also, have you been to Mezoamerica? Mexico? Buncha pyramids. Mighta missed them.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:21 pm

pood wrote:Kropotkin is not a communist.

Why don’t you flesh out your earlier claim that the Mesoamericans really dug being enslaved, beaten, branded, chained, whipped, and put to work as slaves in mines by their Spanish Catholic conquistador friends. That’d be good for another hoot from you.


You don't know shit from shinola boy.

There were wars, and the losers did badly.

But most cities founded by Spain in this continent were founded with the intention of being peopled mostly by Indians, which they were, and those cities saw people of every color and descent having kids and going about life, and largely maintaining the old Indian religions now mixed with Catholicism.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:22 pm

On the whole, they liked the whole idea, and made it theirs. Ours.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:22 pm

Nobody sane is arguing that history is not cruel or ruthless...the anti-Western cunts and kooks, both neo-nazi and far-left hippies, are dishonest and manipulative because they only highlight the 'bad' stuff that the West has committed whilst not comparing it to any other group but their own kookish fantasies and imaginary standards...like the cunts at SHITTHYSELF and their simultaneously and schizophrenic praising of Hitler and crying about the fanaticism and intolerance of Christians...a level of dishonesty and insanity that does not even deserve to be addressed verbally.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:25 pm

Not my fault if the people that landed in the North were all anti-Catholic Goth protestants that went scorched earth on everyone they came across.

But even in North America, the religion was one of the things Indians did like.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:26 pm

Maybe if they weren't constantly raiding and scalping their women, it might have helped.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:19 pm

You are throwing all tribes into one bag and you are being rude to the Natives. And you are rude to the Protestants too. If you gonna critique, at least take it seriously and copy-paste quote opinions of other serious historians.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:21 am

Native?

I am a native.

Native just means born here.

How do you know there is communist propaganda at work?

A word with a clear and precise meaning is being used for something else.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 9:29 am

Often it is not a purposeful misuse of language, but because they are idiots.

If you have doubts that the tribes, specially up here, were warring tribes that often had a hostile attitude, me quoting some guy won't help.

The thing about protestants is true. Even as far north as Quebec, when the French landed there was the usual deal of some wars, some skirmishes, but generally two peoples living side by side and mixing and just being neighbors. It was when the English took over the territory that tolerance for Indians started to approach 0. This is all well known. Gringos, and you know I love the US of A, have to learn to look this in the eye, and stop concocting these grand theories of human nature where they blame the whole world for what their ancestors did, and only then can they start mending wounds and ending the insane reservation system and calling ALL Americans "brother," instead of "native" (they are all natives) or "person of color." Some say I'm a pretty colorful person myself.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:03 am

This continent achieved something extremely special.

For 10,000 years, slavery had been the way the world made its dollar. This continent, America, ended it. Ended it forever, for everybody. You have some bad situations in some places, and people trafficking is real, and the way Democrats and commies in the US treat immigrant labor, wanting them to sneak in without getting papers so that they can pay them real world salaries instead of inflated minimum-wage salaries, has some connotations of slavery, but America, this continent, ended institutional slavery forever everywhere. That was us. We started the idea that you are worth what you can make, and that is all you are worth, period. Not what some title says, not what God says, what you can make of yourself. That was us. We started the idea that Freedom is the non-plus-ultra single most important thing, for one and for everybody. Period. That was us. Freedom.

If I am asking people not to bullshit themselves, it is because we don't have to. America baby. It kicks motherfucking ass.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:13 am

I don't mean to be rude to protestants. But they know it's true. They came in here taking no prisoners. That is facts.

The protestant mentality is not the same as the Catholic mentality. And that is also facts.

Protestants love to go on about it, when they are doing "sociology" and trying to "explain" why the US is rich but Mexico is not. Ah, but when it turns out racism is an institutional part of Protestantism itself, that it's a slim facade for the old Gothic fanatic provincialism, then it's rude stereotyping.

Get over yourselves you goddamn gringos.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:18 am

And enjoy the spoils of victory.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Maia » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:26 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:This continent achieved something extremely special.

For 10,000 years, slavery had been the way the world made its dollar. This continent, America, ended it. Ended it forever, for everybody. You have some bad situations in some places, and people trafficking is real, and the way Democrats and commies in the US treat immigrant labor, wanting them to sneak in without getting papers so that they can pay them real world salaries instead of inflated minimum-wage salaries, has some connotations of slavery, but America, this continent, ended institutional slavery forever everywhere. That was us. We started the idea that you are worth what you can make, and that is all you are worth, period. Not what some title says, not what God says, what you can make of yourself. That was us. We started the idea that Freedom is the non-plus-ultra single most important thing, for one and for everybody. Period. That was us. Freedom.

If I am asking people not to bullshit themselves, it is because we don't have to. America baby. It kicks motherfucking ass.


It was the British Empire that ended worldwide slavery in the 1830s, by using its naval power to end the slave trade. Some backwards areas, such as the USA, continued with slavery for a few more decades, but the worldwide trade had been stopped.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:31 am

Maia wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:This continent achieved something extremely special.

For 10,000 years, slavery had been the way the world made its dollar. This continent, America, ended it. Ended it forever, for everybody. You have some bad situations in some places, and people trafficking is real, and the way Democrats and commies in the US treat immigrant labor, wanting them to sneak in without getting papers so that they can pay them real world salaries instead of inflated minimum-wage salaries, has some connotations of slavery, but America, this continent, ended institutional slavery forever everywhere. That was us. We started the idea that you are worth what you can make, and that is all you are worth, period. Not what some title says, not what God says, what you can make of yourself. That was us. We started the idea that Freedom is the non-plus-ultra single most important thing, for one and for everybody. Period. That was us. Freedom.

If I am asking people not to bullshit themselves, it is because we don't have to. America baby. It kicks motherfucking ass.


It was the British Empire that ended worldwide slavery in the 1830s, by using its naval power to end the slave trade. Some backwards areas, such as the USA, continued with slavery for a few more decades, but the worldwide trade had been stopped.


Lol, I am very sorry to inform you that Britain (glad that was the name that came to mind) did not have the power to stop Spanish and Portuguese people trafficking. All they did was what they always had done: pirate the seas.

Even in a fake imaginary world where that could happen, there was more than enough native population that was considered legally enslaved, none had to be brought from other places.

That is funny of you to think though.

No, what ended slavery was this continent going to war with Europe, winning, and declaring slavery illegal in its territory.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:32 am

The ego on you crazy brits.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:36 am

That's why we like you though.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Maia » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:40 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Maia wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:This continent achieved something extremely special.

For 10,000 years, slavery had been the way the world made its dollar. This continent, America, ended it. Ended it forever, for everybody. You have some bad situations in some places, and people trafficking is real, and the way Democrats and commies in the US treat immigrant labor, wanting them to sneak in without getting papers so that they can pay them real world salaries instead of inflated minimum-wage salaries, has some connotations of slavery, but America, this continent, ended institutional slavery forever everywhere. That was us. We started the idea that you are worth what you can make, and that is all you are worth, period. Not what some title says, not what God says, what you can make of yourself. That was us. We started the idea that Freedom is the non-plus-ultra single most important thing, for one and for everybody. Period. That was us. Freedom.

If I am asking people not to bullshit themselves, it is because we don't have to. America baby. It kicks motherfucking ass.


It was the British Empire that ended worldwide slavery in the 1830s, by using its naval power to end the slave trade. Some backwards areas, such as the USA, continued with slavery for a few more decades, but the worldwide trade had been stopped.


Lol, I am very sorry to inform you that Britain (glad that was the name that came to mind) did not have the power to stop Spanish and Portuguese people trafficking. All they did was what they always had done: pirate the seas.

Even in a fake imaginary world where that could happen, there was more than enough native population that was considered legally enslaved, none had to be brought from other places.

That is funny of you to think though.

No, what ended slavery was this continent going to war with Europe, winning, and declaring slavery illegal in its territory.


I said British Empire, because that's its name.

And I'm sorry to tell you that you have been misinformed. It was the British Empire, then at the height of its power, that ended worldwide slavery. America had nothing to do with it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_A ... n_Act_1833
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:42 am

Maia wrote:I said British Empire, because that's its name.


Yes, very good, we are getting somewhere.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:42 am

Maia wrote:And I'm sorry to tell you that you have been misinformed. It was the British Empire, then at the height of its power, that ended worldwide slavery.


Well, I mean, you can think that, that's fine.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Maia » Fri Oct 15, 2021 10:43 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Maia wrote:And I'm sorry to tell you that you have been misinformed. It was the British Empire, then at the height of its power, that ended worldwide slavery.


Well, I mean, you can think that, that's fine.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_Africa
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