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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:24 am

It is no coincidence that what we call the Renaissance, the Rebirth, started in Rome.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:48 am

To be fair, though, I think there were two big Renaissances before that: the one started in the British isles by Irish and English clergy, and the one started in Spain by Arab caliphates.

Hebrews, as I said, never really waned, so never really experienced per se a rebirth. But it is certain that whenever they were persecuted, it was by some Gothic backlash against either the Arabic caliphates or strict Roman Catholic authority.

In Spain, Judaism only started being persecuted when Gothic princes from the north of the peninsula were finally able to drive away a caliphate severely weakened by Mongol invasions. In the mainland of Europe, they started being persecuted when splinter groups of protestant Goths started rebelling and driving away strict Roman Catholic authority.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:50 am

How it happened in Russian and Orthodox lands, I am not sure. I am under the impression that they didn't have a very heavy Jewish presence anyway until they started receiving refugees from the persecutions I mentioned above.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:22 am

Religion is not universal, cannot be universal. It is of a people, and any people's religion can easily be adapted and adopted by any other. If a thing is true, what does it matter if another knows it or if they change it up for themselves?

It is when it is made Universal that there is a problem. If it is universal, then everybody must be made to adapt to a strict interpretation of it, and to abandon anything they might believe that is not contained within its dogma. I reiterate: communism is an excellent example. Communism is the universalist mantra. And there is no recourse a communist won't take to to spread and impose their religion, or to stamp out any deviation.

Of course, the best tool is to laugh at them.

But my main point is that the Roman religion is not actually universal. God is a real, specific thing. So is Jesus.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:36 am

Stop rambling. Communism is not the same as socialism and the cult of Stalin or Bolshevism are not the same as communism. The cult of the Soviet union with Stalin as its face during the Stalinist era was a kind of religion but after Stalin's death, this fanatical and quasi-religious aspect strongly waned after the famous Soviet bloc 'thaw' which was enabled by the old cunts biological death and the preventative measures taken by the surviving Soviet elites to ensure that no new Stalin emerges out of the sheer terror the old Stalin imposed; so communism does not have to have a religious aspect.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:39 am

Yeah yeah.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 8:51 am

Things that make sense on one scale, make no sense at another. Some idiot will stroll in here and say that Hinduism is universal because you can 'become' a Hindu...but Hinduism is tied to the caste system and the higher the caste, the superior the salvation of the dying body and mind with the inferior by birth being damned to turn into the lowest organisms like cockroaches and the higher the social privileges...so to say that Hinduism could spread universally is a bad joke....because it comes with the case system tied to the religion, you could not spread it without spreading castes also which is impossible without political aggression and internal revolution. just like the primitive versions of 'Heathenism' could not reliably spread without being absorbed locally...or even the high types of pantheism like Hellenism which became incredible diluted and diverse during and after the Alexandrian conquests...it is a WEAKNESS of these religions and one of the many reasons they faded.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Maia » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:36 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
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Pedro I Rengel wrote:Heathen just means religious but not Catholic.


No it doesn't. Heathen means Pagan, and specifically, those Pagans who follow the Northern tradition.


Pagan just means heathen.

Heathen isn't the name of a or your religion. Your religion doesn't have a name because it was wiped out by Catholicism.

I always find it funny when people call themselves pagan as a religion. it is like calling yourself barbarian as the name of your civilization. Maybe as an ironic gesture.


Pagan comes from Latin, and Heathen comes from Old English. That's the basic reason why there are two different words for more or less the same thing. In modern times Heathen has been adopted by those who follow the Northern tradition.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Maia » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:38 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Heathen means from the perspective of Catholicism. The degree to which you deviate. Pagan is the same term from the perspective of the pagan. The crazy demon worship or whatever that was there before Catholicism arrived.

Heretic means more specifically a statement trying to pass as Catholic, but going against dogma. Treason would be the equivalent.


Pagans don't worship demons and don't even believe in demons. It's Christians who do that.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:50 am

Now that we know what heathens dont believe in...would you be as kind as to let as know what do heathens believe in?
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Maia » Thu Oct 14, 2021 9:57 am

aniceguy wrote:Now that we know what heathens dont believe in...would you be as kind as to let as know what do heathens believe in?


I prefer the term Pagan to Heathen as it's more general, but all Pagans and Heathens are free to believe, or not believe, whatever they want, so I can only speak for myself, and for me, as indeed, for most Pagans, belief isn't very important. It's all about experience and practice. Feeling a spiritual connection with nature, for example, and acting on this connection through ritual and in my daily life.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:03 am

Are you allowed to touch yourself in the forests to get some experience???
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:06 am

at least you are being honest and unpretentious, i appreciate that. you are basically a hippie.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby promethean75 » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:30 am

"Are you allowed to touch yourself in the forests to get some experience???"

I've touched myself in the forest before.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:38 am

dont worry, paGAYns dont judge like we Christians do...unless they also happen to love to be German...then you are fucked.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Maia » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:46 am

aniceguy wrote:at least you are being honest and unpretentious, i appreciate that. you are basically a hippie.


I've been called a hippy more than once.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 10:57 am

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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:06 am

Maia wrote:
aniceguy wrote:at least you are being honest and unpretentious, i appreciate that. you are basically a hippie.


I've been called a hippy more than once.

were vikings a bunch of hippies??? if you are blind how do you read this forum??? text to voice application???blindness is a terrible disability.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Maia » Thu Oct 14, 2021 11:20 am

aniceguy wrote:
Maia wrote:
aniceguy wrote:at least you are being honest and unpretentious, i appreciate that. you are basically a hippie.


I've been called a hippy more than once.

were vikings a bunch of hippies??? if you are blind how do you read this forum??? text to voice application???blindness is a terrible disability.


Vikings were definitely not a bunch of hippies. Yes, I use a screenreader called JAWS for Windows. No, I don't consider blindness to be a terrible disability.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Ierrellus » Thu Oct 14, 2021 12:14 pm

In "The world Is Too Much With Us" Wordsworth writes:
.. . I'd rather be a Pagan
Suckled in a creed outworn"
Wordsworth was no hippie.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:06 pm

Blindness is a very serious disability with serious consequences for the disabled person so stop lying to yourself and telling yourself you are are not disabled. Its not that you dont have the right to think of yourself highly or have and demand respect for your own person or try and do live like an independent adult and be valuable but that you are missing something which will always have dire consequences which you can either lie to yourself about and believe do not make you different in a negative way or accept that reality and simply admit it is so, which simply means letting go of naivety on which you cant build anything but be prayed upon through. If you did not have somebody trusted to tell you how somebody looks, how would you be able to find a date or something basic like that???, you could not even tell if they have crooked teeth and are ugly or not and you could not tell how beautiful(or not) you are yourself...looks are very important for a female and you dont even have a way to tell how beautiful you are(or not)...how your dresses fit...colours and so on...so you are reliant on others for many basic things, hence you are disabled...sad but true. Does not mean if you had children and raised them properly, I(and many others!) would hold you as more valuable and respect worthy than the many divorced and irresponsible whores with young children and spinster cat-lady hedonistic plastic dolls and all the crap that floats nowadays...I definitely would, but you are still disabled...and such is this life...you might be beautiful and blind, another woman might have sight but be short and ugly...maybe one mother could have sight and make a shitter mother than you as a blind woman???what you think of that???do you think Id marry a blind woman who was a good woman or a whore with sight???but would I marry a blind girl if I could marry one which could see???
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:31 pm

and to top that all of...if you had found a man you really loved...would all that shit matter anymore???once a decision is made, you stop considering whether it was the right one and start trying make the best of it...
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby felix dakat » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:58 pm

aniceguy wrote:Blindness is a very serious disability with serious consequences for the disabled person so stop lying to yourself and telling yourself you are are not disabled. Its not that you dont have the right to think of yourself highly or have and demand respect for your own person or try and do live like an independent adult and be valuable but that you are missing something which will always have dire consequences which you can either lie to yourself about and believe do not make you different in a negative way or accept that reality and simply admit it is so, which simply means letting go of naivety on which you cant build anything but be prayed upon through. If you did not have somebody trusted to tell you how somebody looks, how would you be able to find a date or something basic like that???, you could not even tell if they have crooked teeth and are ugly or not and you could not tell how beautiful(or not) you are yourself...looks are very important for a female and you dont even have a way to tell how beautiful you are(or not)...how your dresses fit...colours and so on...so you are reliant on others for many basic things, hence you are disabled...sad but true. Does not mean if you had children and raised them properly, I(and many others!) would hold you as more valuable and respect worthy than the many divorced and irresponsible whores with young children and spinster cat-lady hedonistic plastic dolls and all the crap that floats nowadays...I definitely would, but you are still disabled...and such is this life...you might be beautiful and blind, another woman might have sight but be short and ugly...maybe one mother could have sight and make a shitter mother than you as a blind woman???what you think of that???do you think Id marry a blind woman who was a good woman or a whore with sight???but would I marry a blind girl if I could marry one which could see???


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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Thu Oct 14, 2021 1:59 pm

It's what they call philosophy.
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