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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:26 pm

if anything, universalist religions would be more applicable and actually anthropologically valid, like Buddhism(second greatest religion), Christianity, Islam...but not Judaism, Hinduism...religions which welcome all, and grant equal participation and promise equal salvation.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:31 pm

I don't know that Budism is universalist.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:32 pm

what are you talking about???
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:58 pm

There is no equality of any state in Budism. The goal is simply to disappear. But that means you stop existing, not that you are equal. If you don't exist, you cannot be equal to anything.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:02 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:There is no equality of any state in Budism. The goal is simply to disappear. But that means you stop existing, not that you are equal. If you don't exist, you cannot be equal to anything.

ok buddy...I think the goal of Buddhism is to emulate Buddha and hence achieve Nirvana akin to Christians emulating Jesus and achieving salvation but I must be wrong then...
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:14 pm

It's similar but not the same.

Nirvana is not like Heaven. Heaven is a kind of place.

Nirvana is the absence of place.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:15 pm

Also, I don't think you are supposed to emulate Jesus. It would be a little heretical to want to emulate God.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:16 pm

Catholicism is about following his doctrine, and obeying his church.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:17 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Also, I don't think you are supposed to emulate Jesus. It would be a little heretical to want to emulate God.


Jesus and God are not the same being.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:18 pm

WendyDarling wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Also, I don't think you are supposed to emulate Jesus. It would be a little heretical to want to emulate God.


Jesus and God are not the same being.


I guess it depends who you ask.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:19 pm

In Catholic doctrine, Jesus is God.

A famous nickname for him in Spanish is the child God.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:24 pm

Another famous appellation of Jesus is God Resurrected. You will find that one in many prayers.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:25 pm

That's why Catholicism is so special.

God walking among us.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby WendyDarling » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:33 pm

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
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Pedro I Rengel wrote:Also, I don't think you are supposed to emulate Jesus. It would be a little heretical to want to emulate God.


Jesus and God are not the same being.


I guess it depends who you ask.


I could swear(puny pun) that in the Old Testament God said something about placing no other God before or above him, which would include his Son, Jesus. Jesus was nothing like God, another indicator that they are not one in the same. Jesus asked God if he was still to be sacrificed, God answered yes. Jesus “died” but if Jesus was God and as God died, we wouldn’t be having this discussion, existence would of went ‘poof.’

Catholicism took way too many liberties in the name of Christ starting with its claim to have existed since Jesus existed, while Christ was a simple, passive herald, RCC immediately seized upon decadence and bloodshed, nothing like Jesus. Most hatred against Christianity to this very day is a result of all the corruptions of Christianity acted upon by the RCC.

What in the RCC formal resembles Jesus’ purity?
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:42 pm

I think where Catholicism went wrong is in trying to force everyone to submit to and worship God. He is Our God. And it is not exclusive, anyone can worship, he is here for all. But there are others, and no reason to force.

It's the universal aspect of it that is wrong.

I think the reason we went that way is that it just appears to us savage not to worship him, uncivilized and crazy. It didn't occur to us that other people might want other things. It's like if there is food, everyone should be eating. It was just a provincialism, and since we were so powerful provincialism means the whole world kneels.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:47 pm

WendyDarling wrote:I could swear(puny pun) that in the Old Testament God said something about placing no other God before or above him, which would include his Son, Jesus. Jesus was nothing like God, another indicator that they are not one in the same. Jesus asked God if he was still to be sacrificed, God answered yes. Jesus “died” but if Jesus was God and as God died, we wouldn’t be having this discussion, existence would of went ‘poof.’


God is a bit of a greater thing (by our reckoning). He can make himself flesh and die and still resurrect himself, he can be the father and the son both. He is very powerful.

WendyDarling wrote:RCC immediately seized upon decadence and bloodshed,


That is just how we are, there is no separation between our God and being that. We didn't realize how much we would be destroying. The world was bigger than we thought. God is so supreme, it's hard to understand. We didn't mean to be dicks.

WendyDarling wrote: Christ was a simple, passive herald,


By our reckoning, he was a pretty wrathful and temperamental and generally powerful individual.

He was God.

WendyDarling wrote:Most hatred against Christianity to this very day is a result of all the corruptions of Christianity acted upon by the RCC.


In our eyes, nothing is forbidden God.

WendyDarling wrote:What in the RCC formal resembles Jesus’ purity?


I don't think we actually have a concept of purity. It is not about purity, it is about God. God is powerful. And holy.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:49 pm

The Virgin. Maybe the Virgin represents purity. Not Jesus.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:49 pm

Maybe. What she really is, first and foremost and above all, is a mother, and the mother of God.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:54 pm

Who did Catholics 'force' to become Catholics???
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:56 pm

aniceguy wrote:Who did Catholics 'force' to become Catholics???


It wasn't on purpose. It was a reflex.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:57 pm

A lot of people liked it, really. Indians (American Indians), on the whole loved it.

And they had children with our daughters and it was pretty great.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:59 pm

It's the Goths that had most indigestion with it. They took it to a place pretty dark.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby aniceguy » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:00 pm

Who did Catholic missionaries forcefully converted to become Catholics???
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:01 pm

It might simply be because the religion they had before was pretty beautiful, and they forced themselves to give it up. So it made a bitterness.

Indians, for example, had a much easier time incorporating. They didn't feel a need to erase what they had or were before. Africans either.
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Re: Is anyone here a recovering atheist?

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Wed Oct 13, 2021 9:04 pm

I think Goths are very sensitive people, even though they are warlike. It did not do them good to give up all their ceremonies and traditions. And they lacked the maliciousness to just hide them like everyone else.
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