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iambiguous wrote:How about solid and indisputable proof from one of the hundreds and hundreds of religious denominations out there that a God, the God, their God does in fact exist.
This God then comes down here and does things that no rational human being could deny is in fact proof of His existence.
That would constitute the winner in this war for me.
How about you? What would it take for you to declare a winner?
Surely, it can't just be what you believe about God "in your head".
Greatest I am wrote:iambiguous wrote:How about solid and indisputable proof from one of the hundreds and hundreds of religious denominations out there that a God, the God, their God does in fact exist.
This God then comes down here and does things that no rational human being could deny is in fact proof of His existence.
That would constitute the winner in this war for me.
How about you? What would it take for you to declare a winner?
Surely, it can't just be what you believe about God "in your head".
Think like a naturalist.
You and I were born with our DNA telling us we were the best of our line, which was a truth if we were the youngest of our line.
If any god popped up, I would challenge him and not just roll over.
I owe our species that much.
In nature, all species have one of their own as the ideal. We can see that as king or god.
For our species to allow some other species, even a holy one, to lead us, would be us being a traitor to our own race.
Regards
DL
iambiguous wrote:Greatest I am wrote:iambiguous wrote:How about solid and indisputable proof from one of the hundreds and hundreds of religious denominations out there that a God, the God, their God does in fact exist.
This God then comes down here and does things that no rational human being could deny is in fact proof of His existence.
That would constitute the winner in this war for me.
How about you? What would it take for you to declare a winner?
Surely, it can't just be what you believe about God "in your head".
Think like a naturalist.
You and I were born with our DNA telling us we were the best of our line, which was a truth if we were the youngest of our line.
If any god popped up, I would challenge him and not just roll over.
I owe our species that much.
In nature, all species have one of their own as the ideal. We can see that as king or god.
For our species to allow some other species, even a holy one, to lead us, would be us being a traitor to our own race.
Regards
DL
The gap between my point and yours may well be beyond grasping. Let alone closing.
The God wars continue as far as I am concerned.
I'll need a considerably more concrete rendering of the winner.
Greatest I am wrote:
If the immorality of the Christianity's ideology does not do it for you, then morals are not your focus, and should be.
Ecmandu wrote:The winner is extremely simple:
When all beings are god, without violating the consent of a single being in existence.
This requires thinking outside the box.
Anything less, is a winner in a win/lose reality, and that is a loser.
WendyDarling wrote:You will be judging yourself, Biggie, on your Judgement Day with your very own conscience. I covered this in another of Greatest’s recent threads.
God wars. If I am made by a God, with God parts, why can’t I be the winner rather than my Creator?
How about solid and indisputable proof from one of the hundreds and hundreds of religious denominations out there that a God, the God, their God does in fact exist.
This God then comes down here and does things that no rational human being could deny is in fact proof of His existence.
That would constitute the winner in this war for me.
How about you? What would it take for you to declare a winner?
Surely, it can't just be what you believe about God "in your head".
iambiguous wrote:Greatest I am wrote:
If the immorality of the Christianity's ideology does not do it for you, then morals are not your focus, and should be.
But my point is that there are hundreds of other religious paths out there and those on them would suggest in turn that if their ideology does not do it for me...
Then what?
Then, you will have already studied the various ideologies, political as well as religious, and like all esoteric ecumenists, like Gnostic Christians, I suggest you create your own improved ideology by cherry picking from everything you know.
Who is better than you to decide what you should know and believe?And if morals is your focus you know by now where I go with that: morality here and now begetting immortality there and then.
Only in regard to what actual set of circumstances in which the conflicting spiritual ideologies go after our souls.
Why your ideology and not their own?
I can argue and do apologetics for my morals, while Christians run away from moral discussions and just go hide behind their genocidal satanic god, without being able to justify his many mass murders.
And, as an atheist eyeball to eyeball with the abyss, I'm very much in favor of someone winning the God wars. Then introducing us to the God. Where I am at least given the chance to make my case on Judgment Day.
WendyDarling wrote:You will be judging yourself, Biggie, on your Judgement Day with your very own conscience. I covered this in another of Greatest’s recent threads.
God wars. If I am made by a God, with God parts, why can’t I be the winner rather than my Creator?
WendyDarling wrote:All souls are there own worst enemies, Ec, how are you going to perfect them, make them whole? Placing them into a fantasy mirror reality doesn’t change how they see themselves, know themselves, or regard themselves? As far as I know, there is no being rebuilt, without flaws. Wanna start a thread to discuss this?
Biggie, maybe Ec and I will discuss answers and proofs in a new thread.
Greatest I am wrote:WendyDarling wrote:All souls are there own worst enemies, Ec, how are you going to perfect them, make them whole? Placing them into a fantasy mirror reality doesn’t change how they see themselves, know themselves, or regard themselves? As far as I know, there is no being rebuilt, without flaws. Wanna start a thread to discuss this?
Biggie, maybe Ec and I will discuss answers and proofs in a new thread.
The flaw you see, I see as a small evil within a greater good.
The bible did get this correct. We are all born sinners, flawed to you, and perfect to me.
Nature does not disagree as nature always creates for the best possible end.
Even our most deformed, is the best end nature can give such an individual.
That is why it can be truthfully said that we live in the best of all possible worlds, as it is the only possible world, given our history, entropy and the anthropic principle.
Regards
DL
Greatest I am wrote:
Given atheism and their churches, as well as laïcité being the wave of the future, the non-religious have finally won the day. The religious just don't accept that yet.
The fact that most Christians never set foot in a church, even once a year, shows that the fantasy based religions have lost the god wars.
Forget judgement day. You have already judged well and have no condemnation to fear.
A genocidal satanic god liker Yahweh makes a piss poor judge anyway.
Regards
DL
WendyDarling wrote:Greatest I am wrote:WendyDarling wrote:All souls are there own worst enemies, Ec, how are you going to perfect them, make them whole? Placing them into a fantasy mirror reality doesn’t change how they see themselves, know themselves, or regard themselves? As far as I know, there is no being rebuilt, without flaws. Wanna start a thread to discuss this?
Biggie, maybe Ec and I will discuss answers and proofs in a new thread.
The flaw you see, I see as a small evil within a greater good.
The bible did get this correct. We are all born sinners, flawed to you, and perfect to me.
Nature does not disagree as nature always creates for the best possible end.
Even our most deformed, is the best end nature can give such an individual.
That is why it can be truthfully said that we live in the best of all possible worlds, as it is the only possible world, given our history, entropy and the anthropic principle.
Regards
DL
Well, when faced with perfection aka peace, you will come to decide your fate quickly. Either you accept yourself as worthy of peace or you may find yourself back in a human body with the rest of us.
WendyDarling wrote:Well, when faced with perfection aka peace
iambiguous wrote:Greatest I am wrote:
Given atheism and their churches, as well as laïcité being the wave of the future, the non-religious have finally won the day. The religious just don't accept that yet.
The fact that most Christians never set foot in a church, even once a year, shows that the fantasy based religions have lost the god wars.
Forget judgement day. You have already judged well and have no condemnation to fear.
A genocidal satanic god liker Yahweh makes a piss poor judge anyway.
Regards
DL
Look, I know that with morality here and now and immortality there and then on the line, there hasn't been much that mere mortals haven't thought up in order to make the brute facticity of an essentially meaningless existence tumbling over into the abyss go away. I spent years nurturing my own soul to keep all that at bay.
And, okay, sure, maybe there really is a winner in the God wars, and one of them actually does exist. But you don't have to be from Missouri to demand that, in regard to this, that someone actually show you. After all, with so much at stake, what if it's not the God of Greatest I Am?
Doesn't he feel any responsibility at at all to demonstrate more substantively that it is his God?
Mad Man P wrote:WendyDarling wrote:Well, when faced with perfection aka peace
Fuck peace... I want to fight!
Not to hurt anyone or beat anyone... but to better myself and be alive, I don't want the fight to end... peace is death and I will never know it.
iambiguous wrote:[ essentially meaningless existence tumbling over into the abyss go away. I spent years nurturing my own soul to keep all that at bay.
Mad Man P wrote:WendyDarling wrote:Well, when faced with perfection aka peace
Fuck peace... I want to fight!
Not to hurt anyone or beat anyone... but to better myself and to be alive, I don't want the fight to end... peace is death and I will never know it.
Pedro I Rengel wrote:You don't even believe in God you said a literal beliefs in Gods is only for the gullible.
Could you possibly be trying to manipulate people?
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