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Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:04 am
by Pedro I Rengel
promethean75 wrote:See what's going on there? In the faustian negotiation the devil loses his interest in the soul of the man because he poses no challenge. Now if you imagine that man got rid of his platonic belief in the immaterial, the profane hedonism and simplicity of the man who offends even the devil becomes spiritualized and there is no more sin. The entire dichotomy of good and evil dissolves and places man above the good and bad gods. But the first appearance of ths process of the renaturalization of man is always obscene; we are working and understanding all this already under the yoke of christian interpretation, and the doctrine of materialism is offensive to that.

Ultimately the gods (the devil in this case) are reduced to an anthropomorphic parody of human quibbling and negotiating. How silly the faustian allegory can seem under these terms.


But the genealogy of "materialism" and material itself is traceable to religious thought.

You don't find ground not because it isn't there, but because you don't look in the right place.

Indeed, a renaturalization of man is a rereligiousizaition of man.

Unless you have achieved Zarathustrian level enlightenment. And you haven't.

You don't even know your way in or out of the labyrinth. Even though you play a mean guitar.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:05 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Zero_Sum wrote:My God is the God of chaos, without Chronos no other gods would of ever existed. Primordial chaos birthed this planet and when this planet eventually dies along with all life as we know it primordial chaos will reclaim it once again. The natural state of humanity is chaos, so much so that when we try to install order through human will more chaos is always the direct result.

Chaos is always prevailing, it always creeps around stalking human beings in all life endeavors, chaos is our true guiding master.

In all the religious or spiritual pantheons of gods and demi gods, chaos gods are always the more honest. The gods of order always the more deceptive or dishonest.


Chronos is not Chaos. Chaos is what produced Chronos.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:24 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Some say that Chaos means void. But like, is it possible that the Greek language would be offended at such a puny word as void?

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 5:25 am
by Pedro I Rengel
Would a Greek's imagination even held a lack of existence as existence?

No. No they would not. Or they would have. As part of Chaos. Not as Chaos.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:27 am
by promethean75
I dont believe in chaos cuz it's just a mathematical construct.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 3:42 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
No fool Chaos was a concept before mathematics was.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:55 pm
by Zero_Sum
Dan~ wrote:
I like the void.
And the beings that exist in the void.
Chaos to me is a perspective of things that seem disorderly or random.
But in fact, they are still being determined, just not in a linear fashion.
Chaos is non linear force, which is a more high and true expression of energy.

Maybe I'm wrong though..


I like where you're going with that Dan, the true expression of non linear force.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:57 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
*sigh*

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 6:58 pm
by Zero_Sum
promethean75 wrote:I dont believe in chaos cuz it's just a mathematical construct.

It's pre-mathematics, I think of it as a sort of environment to which human beings cannot control. [Where human beings cannot effectively control each other.]

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Chronos is not Chaos. Chaos is what produced Chronos.


I've always interpreted him as a chaos god, much of religion relies upon various interpretations.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:03 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
Zero_Sum wrote:I've always interpreted him as a chaos god, much of religion relies upon various interpretations.


That's fair enough. But you should know that it's unorthodox.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:05 pm
by Zero_Sum
Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:I've always interpreted him as a chaos god, much of religion relies upon various interpretations.


That's fair enough. But you should know that it's unorthodox.


Makes sense, I tend to be unorthodox in everything.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:07 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
Zero_Sum wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:
Zero_Sum wrote:I've always interpreted him as a chaos god, much of religion relies upon various interpretations.


That's fair enough. But you should know that it's unorthodox.


Makes sense, I tend to be unorthodox in everything.


Itself that is very unorthodox because in a lot of ways Chronos is the God of orthodoxy.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:11 pm
by Zero_Sum
That's interesting because I view his son Zeus as being the god of orthodoxy parting ways with his father.

Re: My Religion

PostPosted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 7:16 pm
by Pedro I Rengel
Well "parting ways" itself is a very unorthodox thing to do.

Issa very hard to encapsulate Zeus.

It's fair to say that he is the God of the way things are, but the way things are are not always orhtodox.