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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:57 am

It’s dark because you are trying too hard.
Lightly child, lightly. Learn to do everything lightly.
Yes, feel lightly even though you’re feeling deeply.
Just lightly let things happen and lightly cope with them.

I was so preposterously serious in those days, such a humorless little prig.
Lightly, lightly – it’s the best advice ever given me.
When it comes to dying even. Nothing ponderous, or portentous, or emphatic.
No rhetoric, no tremolos,
no self conscious persona putting on its celebrated imitation of Christ or Little Nell.
And of course, no theology, no metaphysics.
Just the fact of dying and the fact of the clear light.

So throw away your baggage and go forward.
There are quicksands all about you, sucking at your feet,
trying to suck you down into fear and self-pity and despair.
That’s why you must walk so lightly.
Lightly my darling,
on tiptoes and no luggage,
not even a sponge bag,
completely unencumbered.

-Aldous Huxley , Island
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:07 am

Such bad poetry(as most Oriental art), read Charles Swinburne instead.
Kvasirs Mexican gay lover(writing about a need of committing a genocide on 99 percent whites and all non-whites as a Mexican mestizo himself):
And if they are not good, what could be wrong with the genocidal fantasy in my ‘Dies Irae’, published in Day of Wrath, with a vindictive Star Child calling home 500 million Caucasoids (and of course, all non-whites, including Jews) to, ironically, make sure that Dave Lane’s words be fulfilled with the remaining Aryans?.
My step-dads schizophrenic diagnosis:
I see a disease taking over....I will not stay silent. I will do what I can, when I can.
If we do not stand then we shall fall....and the enemy will win.

Remember: the world will end, all there is that is left is to fly between Canada and Greece and have barbecues and drink vodka before you wake up at 40 and remember to have a son who will be 30 when you are 70 and whos children will be 20 when you are 90. paGAYn as fuck.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:16 am

and then there's this...

The great boon of repression is that it makes it possible to live decisively in an overwhelmingly miraculous and incomprehensible world, a world so full of beauty, majesty, and terror that if animals perceived it all they would be paralyzed to act. ... What would the average man (sic) do with a full consciousness of absurdity? He has fashioned his character for the precise purpose of putting it between himself and the facts of life; it is his special tour-de-force that allows him to ignore incongruities, to nourish himself on impossibilities, to thrive on blindness. He accomplishes thereby a peculiarly human victory: the ability to be smug about terror.

-Ernest Becker, The Denial of Death
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:22 am

Thats some good stuff bro, first time I am seeing something sensible on this forum. Post more. I dont agree with the psychoanalysts and psychologists but this is at least interesting and coherent.
Kvasirs Mexican gay lover(writing about a need of committing a genocide on 99 percent whites and all non-whites as a Mexican mestizo himself):
And if they are not good, what could be wrong with the genocidal fantasy in my ‘Dies Irae’, published in Day of Wrath, with a vindictive Star Child calling home 500 million Caucasoids (and of course, all non-whites, including Jews) to, ironically, make sure that Dave Lane’s words be fulfilled with the remaining Aryans?.
My step-dads schizophrenic diagnosis:
I see a disease taking over....I will not stay silent. I will do what I can, when I can.
If we do not stand then we shall fall....and the enemy will win.

Remember: the world will end, all there is that is left is to fly between Canada and Greece and have barbecues and drink vodka before you wake up at 40 and remember to have a son who will be 30 when you are 70 and whos children will be 20 when you are 90. paGAYn as fuck.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:26 am

Has Huxley ever written anything on Christianity?
Kvasirs Mexican gay lover(writing about a need of committing a genocide on 99 percent whites and all non-whites as a Mexican mestizo himself):
And if they are not good, what could be wrong with the genocidal fantasy in my ‘Dies Irae’, published in Day of Wrath, with a vindictive Star Child calling home 500 million Caucasoids (and of course, all non-whites, including Jews) to, ironically, make sure that Dave Lane’s words be fulfilled with the remaining Aryans?.
My step-dads schizophrenic diagnosis:
I see a disease taking over....I will not stay silent. I will do what I can, when I can.
If we do not stand then we shall fall....and the enemy will win.

Remember: the world will end, all there is that is left is to fly between Canada and Greece and have barbecues and drink vodka before you wake up at 40 and remember to have a son who will be 30 when you are 70 and whos children will be 20 when you are 90. paGAYn as fuck.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:30 am

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Has Huxley ever written anything on Christianity?


The perennial philosophy.
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:31 am

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Thats some good stuff bro, first time I am seeing something sensible on this forum. Post more. I dont agree with the psychoanalysts and psychologists but this is at least interesting and coherent.


Terror management theory
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Re: Wholeness

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:36 am

I don't have a problem with psychology but with their dishonesty as to what is possible to be established and what isn't. Most of them talk about things like fear or hatred as if these were some rigorous and observable phenomena when we simply and plainly lack the technological and scientific ability to penetrate the mechanisms of brains and cognition and emotion in general to any meaningful degree. And psychoanalysis is complete quackery that is completely discredited and scientifically hopeless, psychology has to wait and accept it is only relevant as a branch of biology and sociology is not a science, like philosophy or economics, and that's completely fine.
Kvasirs Mexican gay lover(writing about a need of committing a genocide on 99 percent whites and all non-whites as a Mexican mestizo himself):
And if they are not good, what could be wrong with the genocidal fantasy in my ‘Dies Irae’, published in Day of Wrath, with a vindictive Star Child calling home 500 million Caucasoids (and of course, all non-whites, including Jews) to, ironically, make sure that Dave Lane’s words be fulfilled with the remaining Aryans?.
My step-dads schizophrenic diagnosis:
I see a disease taking over....I will not stay silent. I will do what I can, when I can.
If we do not stand then we shall fall....and the enemy will win.

Remember: the world will end, all there is that is left is to fly between Canada and Greece and have barbecues and drink vodka before you wake up at 40 and remember to have a son who will be 30 when you are 70 and whos children will be 20 when you are 90. paGAYn as fuck.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:53 am

I know what fear and hatred are. I don't need to wait around for science to tell me.
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:02 am

8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Kvasirs Mexican gay lover(writing about a need of committing a genocide on 99 percent whites and all non-whites as a Mexican mestizo himself):
And if they are not good, what could be wrong with the genocidal fantasy in my ‘Dies Irae’, published in Day of Wrath, with a vindictive Star Child calling home 500 million Caucasoids (and of course, all non-whites, including Jews) to, ironically, make sure that Dave Lane’s words be fulfilled with the remaining Aryans?.
My step-dads schizophrenic diagnosis:
I see a disease taking over....I will not stay silent. I will do what I can, when I can.
If we do not stand then we shall fall....and the enemy will win.

Remember: the world will end, all there is that is left is to fly between Canada and Greece and have barbecues and drink vodka before you wake up at 40 and remember to have a son who will be 30 when you are 70 and whos children will be 20 when you are 90. paGAYn as fuck.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby polishyouthgotipbanned » Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:02 am

8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Kvasirs Mexican gay lover(writing about a need of committing a genocide on 99 percent whites and all non-whites as a Mexican mestizo himself):
And if they are not good, what could be wrong with the genocidal fantasy in my ‘Dies Irae’, published in Day of Wrath, with a vindictive Star Child calling home 500 million Caucasoids (and of course, all non-whites, including Jews) to, ironically, make sure that Dave Lane’s words be fulfilled with the remaining Aryans?.
My step-dads schizophrenic diagnosis:
I see a disease taking over....I will not stay silent. I will do what I can, when I can.
If we do not stand then we shall fall....and the enemy will win.

Remember: the world will end, all there is that is left is to fly between Canada and Greece and have barbecues and drink vodka before you wake up at 40 and remember to have a son who will be 30 when you are 70 and whos children will be 20 when you are 90. paGAYn as fuck.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Sculptor » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:24 am

polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Has Huxley ever written anything on Christianity?


Which one I can think of three.
Julien, Thomas Henry, and Aldous
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Sculptor » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:31 am

felix dakat wrote:
polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Has Huxley ever written anything on Christianity?


The perennial philosophy.


Not really about Christianity, though is it.
It is a failed attempt atfinding a "highest" common denominator to a series of incompatible religions, only to conclude with a sort of half baked atheism.

Grand father Thomas Henry mentions God only to dismiss him, coining the term agnostic.

2 Other notable Huxley's were eugenicists, so probably not much use to the discusion.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby Sculptor » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:33 am

felix dakat wrote:I know what fear and hatred are. I don't need to wait around for science to tell me.


Science can tell you more about them, beyond your own personal experience of them.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:05 pm

Sculptor wrote:
polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Has Huxley ever written anything on Christianity?


Which one I can think of three.
Julien, Thomas Henry, and Aldous


If you scroll up you will see that he was responding to a quotation by Aldous Huxley.
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:13 pm

Sculptor wrote:
felix dakat wrote:
polishyouthgotipbanned wrote:Has Huxley ever written anything on Christianity?


The perennial philosophy.


Not really about Christianity, though is it.
It is a failed attempt atfinding a "highest" common denominator to a series of incompatible religions, only to conclude with a sort of half baked atheism.

Grand father Thomas Henry mentions God only to dismiss him, coining the term agnostic.

2 Other notable Huxley's were eugenicists, so probably not much use to the discusion.


How did Aldous Huxley fail? What do you mean by "half baked atheism"?
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Wed Mar 24, 2021 1:14 pm

Sculptor wrote:
felix dakat wrote:I know what fear and hatred are. I don't need to wait around for science to tell me.


Science can tell you more about them, beyond your own personal experience of them.


That's true. And you could know everything that science can tell you about them but without your own personal experience of them you wouldn't know what they were essentially.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:29 pm

"Any entity whose essence is made up of existence, is essentially opposed to the possibility of our getting it in our grasp as an entity which is a whole."

Martin Heidegger, Being and Time, H233, page 276
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Re: Wholeness

Postby MagsJ » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:47 pm

MagsJ wrote:
felix dakat wrote:Right delusions are signs of psychosis. What your experiencing sounds like depersonalization or derealization. Your ability to test reality seems to be intact. I've had episodes like that.
..it’s just part of the journey, on the road to cf-recovery. I’ve quite enjoyed the surrealness that it brought along with it.. missing that already.

10 Simple Ways to Relieve Depersonalization

By Shaun O' Connor
Last updated: 14 Jan 2020
~ 4 MIN READ


1. Read Aloud. ... I do sometimes, but not always.
2. Cut out Caffeine. ... Not my morning coffee, No!!!
3. Listen to Podcasts and Music. ... Music is the food of love, so I do listen on - podcasts.. sometimes.
4. Avoid Drugs. ... (I) Don’t do drugs, kids.
5. Get Up Early. ... But not if I can’t..
6. Go to Bed Early. ... But not if I can’t..
7. Practice Your Hobbies. ... But not if I can’t..
8. Don't Overreact. ... I never do..
9. Don’t Avoid Any Activities. ... But not if I couldn’t help, but to..
10 Be Social! But not if I couldn’t help, not to..

Detoxing, resting up well, exercising, hydrating, are also all good aids to becoming less derealised/more Whole again.
The possibility of anything we can imagine existing is endless and infinite.. - MagsJ
I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Fri Mar 26, 2021 1:26 am

MagsJ wrote:
MagsJ wrote:
felix dakat wrote:Right delusions are signs of psychosis. What your experiencing sounds like depersonalization or derealization. Your ability to test reality seems to be intact. I've had episodes like that.
..it’s just part of the journey, on the road to cf-recovery. I’ve quite enjoyed the surrealness that it brought along with it.. missing that already.

10 Simple Ways to Relieve Depersonalization

By Shaun O' Connor
Last updated: 14 Jan 2020
~ 4 MIN READ


1. Read Aloud. ... I do sometimes, but not always.
2. Cut out Caffeine. ... Not my morning coffee, No!!!
3. Listen to Podcasts and Music. ... Music is the food of love, so I do listen on - podcasts.. sometimes.
4. Avoid Drugs. ... (I) Don’t do drugs, kids.
5. Get Up Early. ... But not if I can’t..
6. Go to Bed Early. ... But not if I can’t..
7. Practice Your Hobbies. ... But not if I can’t..
8. Don't Overreact. ... I never do..
9. Don’t Avoid Any Activities. ... But not if I couldn’t help, but to..
10 Be Social! But not if I couldn’t help, not to..

Detoxing, resting up well, exercising, hydrating, are also all good aids to becoming less derealised/more Whole again.


I'm glad you're feeling more whole. The personal is the highest rung on the ladder of intelligibility below spirituality. Thus it is the fulfillment of all our mundane goals. But as such it is the level of ego anxiety. Depersonalization is a means of defending against that anxiety. When the psyche springs it on us involuntarily, it can seem strange. When it is consciously and voluntarily employed as method of coping it can temporarily be an effective strategy for dealing with stress. Used in this way it is a form of compartmentalization. The Buddha's teaching about the five skandas employs this method as a means of relief from existential suffering.
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Fri Mar 26, 2021 2:48 pm

Quote from "Phenomenology of the Human Person" by Robert Sokolowski -

"The conversational game... can be played on the things we speak about because things do present themselves as wholes and in part, as subjects with features. The ontology of things lets our speech and our language come into play."
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Re: Wholeness

Postby MagsJ » Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:26 pm

felix dakat wrote:I'm glad you're feeling more whole.

Oh, I don’t mind a bit of derealisation now and again.. it can be quite fun and break up the monotony of existence every-so-often.. a neural pause button, if you will. It takes One inward, to experience unique thoughts and feelings that One otherwise wouldn’t care to entertain. Being too grounded ain’t no fun, no fun.. a balance was struck, between a private inner world and an outward facing sociality.

The personal is the highest rung on the ladder of intelligibility below spirituality. Thus it is the fulfillment of all our mundane goals. But as such it is the level of ego anxiety. Depersonalization is a means of defending against that anxiety. When the psyche springs it on us involuntarily, it can seem strange. When it is consciously and voluntarily employed as method of coping it can temporarily be an effective strategy for dealing with stress. Used in this way it is a form of compartmentalization. The Buddha's teaching about the five skandas employs this method as a means of relief from existential suffering.

Sounds like detachment ^^^ ? from a reality that is difficult to cope with.. especially if there are a few things that One is simultaneously having to cope with/adjust to. Makes sense.. ensuring that stress, and cortisol, are minimised.

I suddenly came to a realisation just now, that I have to reacquaint myself with myself, in that my daily personal growth and me experiencing that growth in real-time had ceased, and so I now have to catch up with myself i.e. synchronisation.. first, my thoughts needed de-buffering, now this.

Am I a mobile phone? :-k
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I haven't got the time to spend the time reading something that is telling me nothing, as I will never be able to get back that time, and I may need it for something at some point in time.. Huh! - MagsJ
You’re suggestions and I, just simply don’t mix.. like oil on water, or a really bad DJ - MagsJ
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Re: Wholeness

Postby felix dakat » Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:40 pm

MagsJ wrote:
felix dakat wrote:I'm glad you're feeling more whole.

Oh, I don’t mind a bit of derealisation now and again.. it can be quite fun and break up the monotony of existence every-so-often.. a neural pause button, if you will. It takes One inward, to experience unique thoughts and feelings that One otherwise wouldn’t care to entertain. Being too grounded ain’t no fun, no fun.. a balance was struck, between a private inner world and an outward facing sociality.

The personal is the highest rung on the ladder of intelligibility below spirituality. Thus it is the fulfillment of all our mundane goals. But as such it is the level of ego anxiety. Depersonalization is a means of defending against that anxiety. When the psyche springs it on us involuntarily, it can seem strange. When it is consciously and voluntarily employed as method of coping it can temporarily be an effective strategy for dealing with stress. Used in this way it is a form of compartmentalization. The Buddha's teaching about the five skandas employs this method as a means of relief from existential suffering.

Sounds like detachment ^^^ ? from a reality that is difficult to cope with.. especially if there are a few things that One is simultaneously having to cope with/adjust to. Makes sense.. ensuring that stress, and cortisol, are minimised.

I suddenly came to a realisation just now, that I have to reacquaint myself with myself, in that my daily personal growth and me experiencing that growth in real-time had ceased, and so I now have to catch up with myself i.e. synchronisation.. first, my thoughts needed de-buffering, now this.

Am I a mobile phone? :-k


...relative detachment from the ego to what is immediately presenting itself. In the past I have referred to it as decentering. Consciousness always has an object. The object of our attention speaks to us out of the background of the world. The Self is guiding our attention whether we're conscious of it or not. So we're free to focus on the small stuff that presents itself as proximal to us at the moment without worry about egoic concerns.
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