Wholeness

[felix dakat]

This is because you have a different idea about what power is and what political is.

When i refer to political power, the vile kind,
i mean, everybody obeying an individual.
The more people you control, the more power you gain.

Charity and government can cause one another.
I never said good and government can't mix.

I tried to describe power by referring it to animal power.

It is that which can secure your life and make your will manifest in the world.

The definitions of my words are my own a little bit.

Power is often used as a synonym for energy. In classical mythology there are different kinds of power typified by the gods and the heroes. There's a power of Zeus's Thunderbolts. The power of Heracles' strength. The power of Aphrodite's beauty. Embodied power is easier to understand. Of course now we have the impersonal power of the nuclear warhead.
Theists pray to God the almighty and all-powerful thus making power a divine attribute which can never be left out because it makes God God. If power is the indispensable divine quality why not to use it affirmatively for humanity and the world?

Asclepius and Jesus had the power of healing. There is a need for healing today if our sick and broken souls are going to approach anything like wholeness.

[felix dakat]

"The supreme good is like water."

"The Tao is like a well: used but never used up. It is like the eternal void: filled with infinite possibilities."

Tao Te Ching

"Jesus answered and said unto her, Every one that drinketh of this water shall thirst again: but whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall become in him a well of water springing up unto eternal life" (John iv.13, 14).

The experience of Wholeness is a matter of staying open to the source, the ground and abyss of being.

[Dan~]

"The supreme good is like water."

The supreme good contains infinite elements of every basic kind.
Water is a good one, but there is an unlimited amount of good-ones.

[felix dakat]

"The supreme good is like water."

The supreme good contains infinite elements of every basic kind.
Water is a good one, but there is an unlimited amount of good-ones.

It's a simile. How is the ultimate good like water? I suppose all those elements of which you speak are contained in it and it is contained in the Tao. Where are we in this picture? Within the water of infinite possibilities what constraints do we imagine our selves/egos/brains/bodies limit us to? Here are three possibilities from cognitive science:
1 thought is mostly unconscious
2 abstract concepts(like the ones above) are largely metaphorical
3 the mind is inherently embodied

[felix dakat]

Individuation, the actualization of wholeness, focuses on experiences of meaning. On these occasions one becomes aware of a sense of meaning inherent in the universe. The nihilists say it's projected meaning. But perhaps the meaning is there all the time, our minds are just too dull to notice it.

At these moments, peak experiences Maslow called them, our consciousness widens. We see the world as it is--full of meaning.

Religion tries to codify, ritualize and institutionalize these experiences. In them God speaks to us. But that expression is merely a metaphor for what is actually ineffable. Some atheists have these experiences too.

These experiences take us beyond the subject-object split. They intimate that our belief in our insignificance--that we have very little control over our lives and destinies and that we can't win, is a fallacy. They suggest that instead of broken mechanisms we are sleeping gods.

[felix dakat]

“When thought is closed in caves, then love will show its roots in deepest Hell.”

William Blake

The modern emphasis on the individual's insignificance results in a growing resentment towards the anonymous power that controls our lives. In some cases this resentment reaches homicidal levels as the need to release and assert one's being becomes urgent.

[Ecmandu]

“When thought is closed in caves, then love will show its roots in deepest Hell.”

William Blake

The modern emphasis on the individual's insignificance results in a growing resentment towards the anonymous power that controls our lives. In some cases this resentment reaches homicidal levels as the need to release and assert one's being becomes urgent.

Cute. Love doesn’t even have a hell. Nobody in hell is thinking “thank you love for sending me here for no reason just so you can save me so that I know you’re the boss”

[felix dakat]

“When thought is closed in caves, then love will show its roots in deepest Hell.”

William Blake

The modern emphasis on the individual's insignificance results in a growing resentment towards the anonymous power that controls our lives. In some cases this resentment reaches homicidal levels as the need to release and assert one's being becomes urgent.

Cute. Love doesn’t even have a hell. Nobody in hell is thinking “thank you love for sending me here for no reason just so you can save me so that I know you’re the boss”

You'll get no argument from me on that point.
Hold on to the center.

[felix dakat]

The importance of psychological centering to a sense of wholeness cannot be overestimated. Centering is a worthy goal of meditation or prayer.

Every act of the spirit presupposes given psychological material and, at the same time, constitutes a leap which is possible only for a totally centered self, that is to say, one that is free.
The relation of spirit to the psychological material can be observed in the cognitive as well as in the moral act. Every thought aiming at knowledge is based on sense impressions and conscious and unconscious scientific traditions and experiences, and conscious and unconscious authorities, besides volitional and emotional elements which are always present. Without this material, thinking would have no content. But in order to transform this material into knowledge, something must be done to it; it must be split, reduced, increased, and connected according to logical, and purged according to methodological, criteria. All this is done by the personal center which is not identical with any particular one of these elements. The transcendence of the center over the psychological material makes the cognitive act possible, and such an act is a manifestation of spirit.
Tillich, Paul. Systematic Theology, Volume 3 . University of Chicago Press. Kindle Edition.

[felix dakat]

Do we not learn from phenomenology that all consciousness is intentional? And if so, doesn't it follow that pure objectivity is impossible? If the answer to those questions is affirmative doesn't it further follow that putative scientific objectivity is always embedded in intentions that proceed from the values of the observer be they conscious or unconscious?

[Meno_]

Do we not learn from phenomenology that all consciousness is intentional? And if so, doesn't it follow that pure objectivity is impossible? If the answer to those questions is affirmative doesn't it further follow that putative scientific objectivity is always embedded in intentions that proceed from the values of the observer be they conscious or unconscious?

Except within a subconscious realm, perhaps, of that is both , within and without a possible realization.

Why does the phenomenological reduction interface with the eidectic, at some point, conscious or unconscious?

The limits can not impose a tautology, therefore the sub-conscious has to change the imbededness as praxis to situational value, toward the kind of reasoning that lead to the proximity of the limits of perceived horizons.

I am inferring here to the problem of the stretching of space-time to accommodate an absolute fracture .

We have dealt with this in many ways and at different times.

[felix dakat]

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."

The Gospel of Matthew

"The Master doesn’t take sides; she welcomes both saints and sinners."

The Tao Te Ching, chapter 5

Good advice for dealing with a trickster.

[felix dakat]

"Ritual sacrifice was an early (pre-abstract behavioral) variant of the "idea" of heroism, of belief in individual power--the acting out of the idea that voluntary exposure to the unknown (or dissolution of the most favorite thing) constituted a necessary precondition (1) for the emergence of the beneficial "goddess" (2) for continued successful adaptation."
Jordan Peterson, Maps of Meaning, page 176

"I am different from ordinary people. I drink from the Great Mother’s breasts."
Tao Te Ching, chapter 20

These are symbolic representations of confrontation and awareness of the anima, also known as the archetypal feminine, the lunar as opposed to the solar aspect of the soul, right brain cognition as opposed to the left, the adaptive response to an unmapped territory as opposed to the explored.

[felix dakat]

"Earlier than any authority in the field of Gnostic studies, Jung recognized the Gnostics for what they were: seers who brought forth original, primal creations from the mystery which he called the unconscious. When in 1940 he was asked Is Gnosticism philosophy or mythology? he gravely replied that the Gnostics dealt in real, original images and that they were not syncretistic philosophers as so many assumed. He recognized that Gnostic images arise even today in the inner experiences of persons in connection with the individuation of the psyche, and in this he saw evidence of the fact that the Gnostics were expressing true archetypal images which are known to persist and to exist irrespective of time or of historical circumstances. He recognized in Gnosticism a mighty and utterly primal and original expression of the human mind, an expression directed toward the deepest and most important task of the soul, which is attainment to wholeness. The Gnostics, so Jung perceived, were interested in one thing above all—the experience of the fullness of being."

Hoeller, Stephan A. The Gnostic Jung and the Seven Sermons to the Dead (Quest Books) . Quest Books. Kindle Edition.

[felix dakat]

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

― Albert Einstein

The realm of the imaginal encompasses the realm of knowledge. The "realm" of the unknown encompasses both.

[felix dakat]

To lose sight of wholeness is to fall into ideology.

Wholeness is beyond number which begins only with duality.

Duality is nonetheless of ontological origin.

Duality's reason for being is love-- the union of the feminine and the masculine, the yin and the yang, the lunar and the solar.

The fruit of this bipolarization is the child.

This is the foundational archetypal myth.

[felix dakat]

I've never been a particular fan of Norman Vincent Peale. But Gary Lachman writes that for Peale prayer was a way of becoming "in tune with the infinite" a phrase he borrowed from Ralph Waldo Trine. "All the universe is in vibration," wrote Peale "and prayer was a way of aligning our vibrations with those of the person we were praying for, as well as with God, the source of all vibrations." I find that proposition rather a-Peale-ing.

[Ecmandu]

To lose sight of wholeness is to fall into ideology.

Wholeness is beyond number which begins only with duality.

Duality is nonetheless of ontological origin.

Duality's reason for being is love-- the union of the feminine and the masculine, the yin and the yang, the lunar and the solar.

The fruit of this bipolarization is the child.

This is the foundational archetypal myth.

My term is ‘otherness’ not ‘duality’

I don’t like these folks who stroll into life and say inane things like “there must be evil for there to be good”

Fuck that shit!

[Dan~]

My term is ‘otherness’ not ‘duality’
I don’t like these folks who stroll into life and say inane things like “there must be evil for there to be good”
Fuck that shit!

Sadistic vicious hateful corrupting rage.

Satan doesn't "test" everyone.

Satan is not necessary.

Satan is really a crappy idea.
One of the worst mistakes of christianity.

[felix dakat]

My approach is phenomenological. Metaphysics is beyond my paygrade. When God became identified with the summum bonum, a dichotomous evil became necessary. Hence Satan. Likewise Christ necessitates Antichrist. The vision of the New Jerusalem is the symbol of wholeness in which the Christian Bible culminates.

[Ecmandu]

My term is ‘otherness’ not ‘duality’
I don’t like these folks who stroll into life and say inane things like “there must be evil for there to be good”
Fuck that shit!

Sadistic vicious hateful corrupting rage.

Satan doesn't "test" everyone.

Satan is not necessary.

Satan is really a crappy idea.
One of the worst mistakes of christianity.

And Judaism if we’re going to be accurate. Look at the book of Job!

[felix dakat]

To lose sight of wholeness is to fall into ideology.

Wholeness is beyond number which begins only with duality.

Duality is nonetheless of ontological origin.

Duality's reason for being is love-- the union of the feminine and the masculine, the yin and the yang, the lunar and the solar.

The fruit of this bipolarization is the child.

This is the foundational archetypal myth.

My term is ‘otherness’ not ‘duality’

I don’t like these folks who stroll into life and say inane things like “there must be evil for there to be good”

Fuck that shit!

Your reactivity is evidence of their psychological significance to you.

[felix dakat]

My term is ‘otherness’ not ‘duality’
I don’t like these folks who stroll into life and say inane things like “there must be evil for there to be good”
Fuck that shit!

Sadistic vicious hateful corrupting rage.

Satan doesn't "test" everyone.

Satan is not necessary.

Satan is really a crappy idea.
One of the worst mistakes of christianity.

The idea of a destructive god, deity, deva, devil, or evil spirit didn't begin with Christianity or Judaism. Angra Mainyu was the adversary of Ahura Mazda, the good God of ancient Zoroastrianism, for instance. Devilish figures appear to be archetypes of the collective unconscious. They were probably with us in prehistory. They populate world mythology. Hermes, Prometheus, Lucifer, and Satan in the book of Job are trickster figures.

[felix dakat]

To lose sight of wholeness is to fall into ideology.

Wholeness is beyond number which begins only with duality.

Duality is nonetheless of ontological origin.

Duality's reason for being is love-- the union of the feminine and the masculine, the yin and the yang, the lunar and the solar.

The fruit of this bipolarization is the child.

This is the foundational archetypal myth.

Although wholeness seems at first sight to be nothing but an abstract idea like anima and animus it is nevertheless empirical insofar as it is anticipated by the psyche in the form of spontaneous or autonomous symbols. These are the quaternity or mandala symbols, which occur not only in the dreams of modern people who have never heard of them, but are widely disseminated in the historical records of many people's and many epochs. Their significance as symbols of unity and totality is amply confirmed by history as well as by empirical psychology.

What are first looks like an abstract idea stands in reality for something that exists and can be experienced that demonstrates its a priori presence spontaneously. wholeness is this an objective factor that confronts the subject independently of him like anima or animus and just as the latter have a higher position in the hierarchy then the shadow so wholeness lays claim to a position and a value superior to those of the syzygy. The syzygy seems to represent at least a substantial portion of it if not actually two halves of the totality formed by the royal brother-sister pair and hence the tension of opposites from which the divine child is born as the symbol of unity.

C.G Jung, Aion

[felix dakat]

Some here worship the will.

I'm not here to tell you what to do.

The Tao Te Ching chapter 22 says:

"If you want to become whole, let yourself be partial.
If you want to become straight, let yourself be crooked.
If you want to become full, let yourself be empty.
If you want to be reborn, let yourself die.
If you want to be given everything, give everything up."

According to the Tao, enantiodromia, the tendency of things to become their opposites, is more powerful then the human will. Wholeness then is not static. A sense of wholeness involves recognizing that becoming is a dynamic process.