Okay, I'll play.
felix dakat wrote:Jung said, "No tree, it is said, can grow to heaven unless its roots reach down to hell."
Aware-ness wrote:Sometimes I think Jung was full of it. Trees don't grow to heaven, and their roots only grow in the ground. And hell is not "down there," and heaven is not "up there." Not the Christian heaven, that is.
felix dakat wrote:Your uncomprehending dismissal based on a concrete literal reading of Jung's metaphor is what I would expect from a fundamentalist or objectivist.
Guilty. Use to be the former, Am now the latter. But for a metaphor to work it has to have meaning based in reality, else it's nonsense.
Thoreau does it better concerning a pine tree : "It is as immortal as I am, and perchance will go to as high a heaven, there to tower above me still."
Aware-ness wrote:I'm a vivid dreamer, but have never had a dream where I was violent.
felix dakat wrote:Do you remember every dream? Is it possible you repressed dreams in which you acted violently? Or do you deny the possibility you could be subject to repression?
No, I don't remember every dream. But I would certainly remember a dream such as the violent one you described. It would wake me with a panic. I wouldn't forget it, or repress it.
Dreams are unique to each of us. We're not all the same. Just because you have dreams where you are violent doesn't mean everyone does.
Aware-ness wrote:Jung had a lot of crazy dreams.
felix dakat wrote:When you don't understand something it seems you dismiss it as "crazy" or claim the other is "full of it" as if that's an explanation.
Have you read Jung's red book? I understand that you are a shrink by trade. And so may think of Jung as some kind of a god. But Jung was as human as all of us. And by the way, from what I read, at times, he thought he was going insane. So he would likely admit that sometimes he was full of it, like all of us, at times.
Aware-ness wrote:It's naive to accept Jung and Peterson without question.
felix dakat wrote:That's true. Who's doing that?
Just making sure.
Aware-ness wrote:And a good person can be someone just living life, without being a goody-goody-two-shoes.
felix dakat wrote:"Just living life". What does that mean? An unexamined life?
So you think people just accidentally fall into being a good person? The "noble savage"? Could that be a naively romantic view?
Only those who live in darkness don't cast a shadow.
What does that mean? You might be full of it too.
Dear beetle[dung beetle], where have you gone? I can no longer see you—Oh, you’re already over there with your mythical ball. These little animals stick to things, quite unlike us—no doubt, no change of mind, no hesitation. Is this so because they live their myth?
Jung, C. G.. The Red Book: A Reader's Edition (Philemon) (p. 254). W. W. Norton & Company. Kindle Edition.
A dung beetle is living a myth? Yeah, right.