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Ecmandu wrote:Well James,
It means something if you have one of the smallest races on earth and you have most the money, sleep with all the hot women and have almost all the Nobel prizes, and control the media for 80 years...
James S Saint wrote:Feminism is another religion of hate.
I did not say 'you said every Muslim is evil.'Arminius wrote:More precisely please: I am not saying that every Moslem is evil (do not put words into my mouth I never said, regardless how politically correct you want to be), but I am saying that Islam is a hate-and-war-religion. Not every Christian is a love-and-peace human - additionally a love-and-peace-religion can be interpreted as "being too weak". And not every Muslim is a hate-and-war-human. That is needless to say.
What logic is that? Isn't the above obvious.James S Saint wrote:You seem to be ignoring what you do not see.
I understand there are a lot of negatives thrown at Judaism [also at other religions].Judaism is founded upon hidden, secret, "invisible" manipulations, aka "serpents". That is accomplished very largely through misinformation: obfuscation, false flags, and blame shifting. Thus peoples get blamed for what others have done and other people are inspired into criminality, immorality, and war by hidden means. Religions get created in an attempt to defend against other religions.
"We shall turn nation against nation."
Unlike the other Abramic religions, Judaism prefers to be the small elite power above the world of servants. They very, very much prefer that the rest of the world, the gentiles, have no idea of their God and certainly not sharing in their wealth and power. So you are right, they certainly do not proselytize.
The Judaist curse upon Espinoza for the blasphemy of proclaiming that God is for everyone:
Judaism is all about curses and fear via secret manipulations of others: Ahdam, "Who told you that you were naked?"
James S Saint wrote:Feminism is another religion of hate.
Prismatic567 wrote:James S Saint wrote:Feminism is another religion of hate.
To be more precise feminism is not a religion per se.
What is a religion?
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James S Saint wrote:CelineK wrote:religion lies with the Latin word religare, which means "to tie, to bind."
some say: Religion, Religiere or Reconnect.
both are correct, but the 1st seems a lot more accurate
True .. to "retain/restrain the legion/gathering".
And thus hated today so as to allow for a much more extreme global union/restraint/binding in their place.
I am not very sure what you meant by "mathematically zero information outside of the system."
I believe humans are always within a system and there is no such thing as any thing independent of a system.
My point is there is sufficient information [regardless of your within or without the system] to understand human behaviour in relation to what happened during their development in the womb and to some degree traceable to their genetics set up.
1. 20% [say] of Muslims [as with all humans] are born with an active evil tendency.
2. The Quran contain good and evil elements.
Prismatic567 wrote:Arminius wrote:More precisely please: I am not saying that every Moslem is evil (do not put words into my mouth I never said, regardless how politically correct you want to be), but I am saying that Islam is a hate-and-war-religion. Not every Christian is a love-and-peace human - additionally a love-and-peace-religion can be interpreted as "being too weak". And not every Muslim is a hate-and-war-human. That is needless to say.
I did not say 'you said every Muslim is evil.'
Prismatic567 wrote:My point is ....
Prismatic567 wrote:... to be more precise you must qualify 'Islam' when attributing any thing negative to it. Because religion is such a possessive and sensitive matter your statement 'Islam is a hate-and-war-religion' will definitely offend Muslims especially the moderates.
Prismatic567 wrote:Thus to be more precise and less offensive it would be better to state 'Islam [in part, not wholly] is a hate-and-war-religion.'
If Muslims are mentioned it would be more precise and wiser to state SOME [not all] Muslims.
I understand generally most people do not mean All of Islam or All Muslims when they do not qualify these two very sensitive terms. But the reality is when moderate Muslims read them without the qualifications they will instinctively feel offended.
I wrote:More precisely please: I am not saying that every Moslem is evil (do not put words into my mouth I never said, regardless how politically correct you want to be), but I am saying that Islam is a hate-and-war-religion. Not every Christian is a love-and-peace human - additionally a love-and-peace-religion can be interpreted as "being too weak". And not every Muslim is a hate-and-war-human. That is needless to say.
It is not the book but the leading evil ideas in the book that infect the minds of those who live those ideas [the good, the bad and the very evil]. Have you heard of any one quoting the big bad wolf in Little Red Riding Hood to justify their evil acts?Amorphos wrote:2. The Quran contain good and evil elements.
So does any story book. There are enough words of peace for one to extrapolate a religion of peace – like normal Muslims do with it. If people read something which justifies 'evil' actions, that is because they themselves have [mental health] issues, not the religion itself.
My basis is the normal distribution.Amorphos wrote:Sure ~ I agree with most of your points, I am just saying that there is nothing that makes people good or evil. People like horror or crime writers can be genetically psychopathic, but live normal lives. There will be examples of people who are born with more extreme conditions, but they haven't done anything wrong if that's the case. Essentially I think 'evil' is situational [nurture] except in extreme cases, but in all cases individuals are lumped with it and hence there can be no valid blame.
Prismatic wrote:1. 20% [say] of Muslims [as with all humans] are born with an active evil tendency.
Amorphos wrote:Or they are born into a culture which accepts paedophilia, which in turn manifests strong mental health issues. Nothing to do with Islam itself.
My basis is the normal distribution.
Generally all human variables physically and mentally are normally distributed in accordance to the principles [as inferred from experiences] of the Normal Curve.
Btw, are you familiar with this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
It is often stated 1% of human has psychopathic tendencies which is potentially evil. That's 70 million people around the world.
Prismatic567 wrote:It is often stated 1% of human has psychopathic tendencies which is potentially evil. That's 70 million people around the world.
Prismatic567 wrote:I have defined evil earlier which extend from low level evil, e.g. stealing, lying [5/100] to very evil, e.g. genocide [99/100].
From the above I estimated conservatively 20% of humans has an active tendency to commit evils within the above range.
I don't think you can counter my above assessment.
Therefore the following;Prismatic wrote:1. 20% [say] of Muslims [as with all humans] are born with an active evil tendency.
Prismatic wrote:I have demonstrated above why 20% are born with an active evil tendency.
Prismatic wrote:The point it is Islam itself that promote a culture of pedopholia, where their exemplar of Islam, i.e. 50+ years old Muhammad married a 6 years old girl. Whatever the excuses when taken into context of human nature, it has more to do with his sexual lust and pedopholic proclivities. Therefore it has something to do with Islam itself.
In this case is the combination of the following'
1. 20% of evil prone Muslims
2. Pedophilic elements [evil] within Islam
that combine to promote a culture of pedophilia within the ethos of the Islamic community.
Btw, the evils elements of Islam is not confined to pedophilia acts of their exemplar prophet Muhammad but they involved a wide range of human activities, e.g. religion-inspired killings of non-Muslims, cultural genocides, the arts and humanities, education, social and cultural matters.
20% of evil prone Muslims meant a pool of 300 millions evil prone Muslims around the world who are terrified of Hell and threaten by the Allah and are every ready to obey the commands of Allah of Islam any time. When these evil prone Muslims are at Allah's mercy to grant them eternal life in paradise and avoid Hell, they will do any thing to obey and please God including acting out whatever is the commands of God in the Quran which include the evil laden elements [amongst the good].
In such a case, one cannot ignore the set of Islamic [in part] evil elements as a very critical root cause to all the terrible evils and violence committed by SOME evil prone Muslims.
Prismatic567 wrote:Because ... your statement ... will definitely offend Muslims especially the moderates.
Prismatic567 wrote:I have stated, it is not easy at present to resolve the mental issue of the 20% evil prone humans.
James S Saint wrote:This is getting pretty silly: "Muslims are born evil"???
Muslims are most largely Arab. So the question immediately becomes one of whether it is the Arabic gene set that creates the evil you speak of, or is it the religion cast over that gene set. Is the religion preventing an even greater evil from springing forth? Or is the religion magically causing evil genes? How would you know?
This is now another "Nature vs Nurture" issue.
Are Arabs an evil race?
Are Jews an evil race?
Are Germans an evil race?
Or are judgmental people just too stupid to see themselves?
Note sure if you are referring to what I had posted.James S Saint wrote:This is getting pretty silly: "Muslims are born evil"???
Muslims are most largely Arab. So the question immediately becomes one of whether it is the Arabic gene set that creates the evil you speak of, or is it the religion cast over that gene set. Is the religion preventing an even greater evil from springing forth? Or is the religion magically causing evil genes? How would you know?
This is now another "Nature vs Nurture" issue.
Are Arabs an evil race?
Are Jews an evil race?
Are Germans an evil race?
Or are judgmental people just too stupid to see themselves?
Prismatic wrote:
1. 20% [say] of Muslims [as with all humans] are born with an active evil tendency.
My basis is the normal distribution.
Generally all human variables physically and mentally are normally distributed in accordance to the principles [as inferred from experiences] of the Normal Curve.
Btw, are you familiar with this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normal_distribution
You are not getting my point.Amorphos wrote:It looks like you've taken a reduce-to-normal/average function in probability and applied it to a an abstract, as if to state that the Islamic normal is instead x,y,z, e.g. paedophilia & or psychopathy. They aren't a 'normal' but an exception to the normal, and you are in fact suggesting that it is 'their' normal which is a fundamental abstraction from the premise. you can't measure probabilistic things by calling them whole in people, its all varying amounts of x,y,z, and varying amounts per group and so on.
It is often stated 1% of human has psychopathic tendencies which is potentially evil. That's 70 million people around the world.
That 1% of human are psychopathic is not my own guess but stated as an estimation by many psychologists and psychiatrists within their community which is based on their experiences and collected data.No that's far to literal a simplification, you have to first conclude that such a 1% or a given% is wholly 'evil' or psychopathic, when you can't do that. You don't get 'evil people' you get people who suffer with psychosis in varying amounts, and no condition = the whole. Equally the genetics will be working by the probabilistic function as it is supposed to be used i.e. in percentages, patterns and tangents.
The world isn't made of Lego.
According to researchers, psychopaths make up about 1 percent of the general population and as much as 25 percent of male offenders in federal correctional settings.
http://www.scienceofpeople.com/2015/03/ ... ipulators/
Somehow you are stuck with some sort of dogmatic thinking. Your argument is very ungrounded.You don't get 'evil people' you get people who suffer with psychosis in varying amounts, and no condition = the whole.
Prismatic567 wrote:I have defined evil earlier which extend from low level evil, e.g. stealing, lying [5/100] to very evil, e.g. genocide [99/100].
From the above I estimated conservatively 20% of humans has an active tendency to commit evils within the above range.
I don't think you can counter my above assessment.
Therefore the following;
Prismatic wrote:1. 20% [say] of Muslims [as with all humans] are born with an active evil tendency.
What 'insults' and 'offends' are you talking and accusing me of?Arminius wrote:Nobody is "born with an active evil tendency“! So you are the one who offends (insults) at least 20% of all Muslims and furthermore at least 20% of all humans of all times.
Prismatic wrote:I have demonstrated above why 20% are born with an active evil tendency.
That is a fact so why should they feel insulted. Whoever feel insulted by facts, actually insults his/her own intelligence by being ignorance of those facts.You have offended (insulted) 20% of all humans of all times. Nobody is „born with an active evil tendency“!
To be precise, 20% of all Muslim are born with an active evil tendency. Note my point above. Note my point above. Whoever feel insulted by facts, actually insults his/her own intelligence by being ignorance of those facts.Terrible evils and violence are committed by Muslims, yes, but you are also saying that 20% of all Muslims are born evil, and that is not only nonsense but also an offense (insult).
Note my points above.You are the only poster of this thread who is offending (insulting) at least 20% of all Muslims and furthermore at least 20% of all humans of all times.
You have offended at least 20% of all humans of all times. Nobody is "born with an active evil tendency“!
What I am saying is with reference to the Normal Distribution as a guide, we can predict that conservatively, 20% of ALL humans or any group of large human population are born with an active evil tendencies, that would include Jews, etc.James S Saint wrote:So what you are saying is that "based on normal distribution", 20% of Jews are "born with an active evil tendency".
And that is due to their exposure to the Torah?
Prismatic567 wrote:we can predict that conservatively, 20% of ALL humans or any group of large human population are born with an active evil tendencies
Prismatic567 wrote:One question which can be raised is; if 20% of Jews are born with an evil tendency and that there are more evil laden elements in the Torah than the Quran, why are there [as a matter of fact based on evidence] lesser acts of evils and violence committed by the Jews at present. There are various other contributive factors which contra the general rule in this case but it is off topic.
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