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What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby kk23wong » Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:51 am

What if the Earth is conscious and playing the role of the God, taking advantage of its own physical presence?
For all of us, it is invisible because we are living inside this supreme being. Therefore, it is hard to find out the presence of this subject.
However, the breakthroughs in microbiology allow us to have a clue of how the whole mechanism work through the comparisons with the basic unit of lives -- that is the mother cell.
The structure of the Earth are layers and it is a sphere. The mechanism does not come from none. "Nothing will come out of nothing."
The Earth herself is actually a higher level of lives, which is capable of manipulating us.
We usually think of "one" God, but we may have missed one more level -- the planet herself.
The planet also being created unconsciously. Similar to us, everyone was born to be.
The physical presence of the God -- a manipulator rule that we long refer to as God -- is actually the Conscious Earth.
Long ago, we found that the Earth has gravity and found out that it is a sphere. Nowadays, we are making progress to talk about the possibilities that the Earth herself is conscious.
"The Conscious Earth" manipulates the world through taking advantage of her gifted power from birth.

We compare the structure of the Earth and the mother cell in the diagram below.

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With reference to the above diagram, human beings as well as the biosphere are accordingly the life cycles of this supreme being. It also includes the reproduction. It means that the presence of the brain decided we are the offspring of this supreme being or not. Hence, all others are living tissues of this supreme being.

Besides, the hydrosphere and the atmosphere are the cytoplasm. We are polluting it and shall have nowhere to go after polluting it. Our natural role is the life cycles of this planet. The distances between each living planet are barrier to keep us away from other forms of living. Then space migration is impossible. It keeps our natural role i.e. life cycles of the Earth. We can use the empty planets nearby as a cross reference.

The point to put forward Conscious Earth is to end all religious debates. The Conscious Earth is using divide and rule strategy to rule over the world.
She has created boundaries of the country and different religions. It is not only the outcome of different geographical locations. The Conscious Earth is also responsible for driving all of us.

Conscious Earth is a new direction and is seemingly the root of all the legends. The physical differences between the Conscious Earth and us created religions. Some refer it as ghosts. Others prefer to name it as God. The real answer is that we are the life cycles of the Earth and must come to an end with it. "Life has a start. There must be an end." The Conscious Earth is also a desperate truth. It is also the reason why the Conscious Earth use a divide and rule policy. The natural mechanism avoids us from reaching the real presence of the Conscious Earth -- the Core. It can only stay as a possibility.

What do you think? I think it make more sense then any religions.

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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Darklordabc » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:03 am

To be honest, I think its a really stupid idea.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby kk23wong » Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:34 am

How about the others?
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Moreno » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:56 pm

kk23wong wrote:How about the others?
It's a little bit like the Gaia principle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby dan25 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:22 pm

What if....ifs and ands were pots and pans, and all the sea was ink, and all the trees were bread and cheese...what would we have to drink?
Ifs, mights, and maybes....will never do us any good.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Moreno » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:24 pm

dan25 wrote:What if....ifs and ands were pots and pans, and all the sea was ink, and all the trees were bread and cheese...what would we have to drink?
Ifs, mights, and maybes....will never do us any good.
Entertaining hypotheticals will never do us any good...? There goes science.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby dan25 » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:32 pm

Moreno wrote:
dan25 wrote:What if....ifs and ands were pots and pans, and all the sea was ink, and all the trees were bread and cheese...what would we have to drink?
Ifs, mights, and maybes....will never do us any good.
Entertaining hypotheticals will never do us any good...? There goes science.

This nonsense WILL NEVER do anything helpful for humanity... "Science"? Science is useful; this crap is not! Maybe one day this could be called science, but right now this is just metaphysical bullshit!!
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Darklordabc » Wed Oct 10, 2012 1:41 pm

This nonsense WILL NEVER do anything helpful for humanity... "Science"? Science is useful; this crap is not! Maybe one day this could be called science, but right now this is just metaphysical bullshit!!

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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby V-OutOfTheWilderness » Wed Oct 10, 2012 3:31 pm

kk23wong wrote:What do you think? I think it make more sense then any religions.

Teru Wong

Methinks your diagram is missing the Noosphere ...
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Moreno » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:29 am

dan25 wrote:
Moreno wrote:
dan25 wrote:What if....ifs and ands were pots and pans, and all the sea was ink, and all the trees were bread and cheese...what would we have to drink?
Ifs, mights, and maybes....will never do us any good.
Entertaining hypotheticals will never do us any good...? There goes science.

This nonsense WILL NEVER do anything helpful for humanity... "Science"? Science is useful; this crap is not! Maybe one day this could be called science, but right now this is just metaphysical bullshit!!
Again, without what ifs science is severely if not totally undermined. I am responding to your assertion that what ifs will never do us any good. I was not calling what he was doing science. But science is dependant on speculative what if processes. Utterly. They do not constitute all of science, but that is not the point I am making.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Darklordabc » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:50 am

Again, without what ifs science is severely if not totally undermined. I am responding to your assertion that what ifs will never do us any good. I was not calling what he was doing science. But science is dependant on speculative what if processes. Utterly. They do not constitute all of science, but that is not the point I am making.

Have you seen how scientists rebuke each other, its merciless. So shooting down other people's stupid ideas, is also a crucial part of science.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Stoic Guardian » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:04 am

It's a crucial part of Dogma.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Samm » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:43 am

dan25 wrote:What if....ifs and ands were pots and pans, and all the sea was ink, and all the trees were bread and cheese...what would we have to drink?
Ifs, mights, and maybes....will never do us any good.

I believe Einstein started with just that: Ifs, mights, and maybes. I think that did us some good.

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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Darklordabc » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:48 am

It's a crucial part of Dogma.

I believe Einstein started with just that: Ifs, mights, and maybes. I think that did us some good.

Has this forum got some vested interest in protecting crackpots? So far I've encountered, weird conspiracy theories about Jews, idiotic ideas about the earth, pseudo-intellectual philosophy, incoherent poetry style ramblings, nihilism, and people who actually believe in god.
For a forum that is branded as a place of higher-thinking, its a bit disappointing that so far I've seen little more than YouTube comment quality.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby kk23wong » Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:53 am

Moreno wrote:
kk23wong wrote:How about the others?
It's a little bit like the Gaia principle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis


What I highlighted in the hypothesis here is that the Conscious Earth use the advantage of her gifted power from birth to build an ideal world on her own desires. She manipulated our world and has a close relationship with us, but she is not the one who really started the universe. We can see that the design of the universe shows the evidence of the God - a creator - existed. The problem lie here is that prophets or many legends in various religions are being cheated by the presence of the Conscious Earth. They thought they are talking with the God, but actually they are talking to a supreme being who was also being created by the creator like all of us.

The Conscious Earth has a relationship with us like a "mother" but also playing the role as a manipulator. It sounds weird but it is the best answer I can give to the presence of the God in religions and the real situations that the humankind are facing with. It is a sincere attempt to illustrate the world in a logical way. We are using the structure of the basic unit of lives to compare with the one of the Earth to get the general picture of how the hierarchy of lives work. In this case, it shows that human beings are just animals with higher intelligence.

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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby dan25 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 12:22 pm

Darklordabc wrote:
It's a crucial part of Dogma.

I believe Einstein started with just that: Ifs, mights, and maybes. I think that did us some good.

Has this forum got some vested interest in protecting crackpots? So far I've encountered, weird conspiracy theories about Jews, idiotic ideas about the earth, pseudo-intellectual philosophy, incoherent poetry style ramblings, nihilism, and people who actually believe in god.
For a forum that is branded as a place of higher-thinking, its a bit disappointing that so far I've seen little more than YouTube comment quality.

Well said! This forum is full of IDIOTS, but if you can wade through all the bullshit, there are some genuinely 'clever' posters on here, too.....
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby dan25 » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:05 pm

Samm wrote:
dan25 wrote:What if....ifs and ands were pots and pans, and all the sea was ink, and all the trees were bread and cheese...what would we have to drink?
Ifs, mights, and maybes....will never do us any good.

I believe Einstein started with just that: Ifs, mights, and maybes. I think that did us some good.

Samm

I didn't quite word that correctly. The post I made in response to Moreno, after the one you quoted explains my views on this more accurately.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby James S Saint » Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:27 pm

Darklordabc wrote:
It's a crucial part of Dogma.

I believe Einstein started with just that: Ifs, mights, and maybes. I think that did us some good.

Has this forum got some vested interest in protecting crackpots? So far I've encountered, weird conspiracy theories about Jews, idiotic ideas about the earth, pseudo-intellectual philosophy, incoherent poetry style ramblings, nihilism, and people who actually believe in god.
For a forum that is branded as a place of higher-thinking, its a bit disappointing that so far I've seen little more than YouTube comment quality.

I suspect that has something to do with your apparent inability to distinguish the bull from the bullshit.
..and something about a hole in your own grounding.
Clarify, Verify, Instill, and Reinforce the Perception of Hopes and Threats unto Anentropic Harmony :)
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Stoic Guardian » Thu Oct 11, 2012 11:23 pm

dan25 wrote:
Darklordabc wrote:
It's a crucial part of Dogma.

I believe Einstein started with just that: Ifs, mights, and maybes. I think that did us some good.

Has this forum got some vested interest in protecting crackpots? So far I've encountered, weird conspiracy theories about Jews, idiotic ideas about the earth, pseudo-intellectual philosophy, incoherent poetry style ramblings, nihilism, and people who actually believe in god.
For a forum that is branded as a place of higher-thinking, its a bit disappointing that so far I've seen little more than YouTube comment quality.

Well said! This forum is full of IDIOTS, but if you can wade through all the bullshit, there are some genuinely 'clever' posters on here, too.....


Translation "This Forum is full of people i disagree with, but if you ignore all that you'll eventually find some people you agree with".

Like they say staying absolutely set in ones preconceptions is how one learns...wait....

People come to this website after "discovering" philosophy i.e. reading some philosophy they agreed with, they come to this forum imagining all the posters will be of this same philosophic mind, then become dissapointed when they realize there is such a thing as differant and opposing philosophical perceptions. Some get over themselves, others blame the website. Some leave frustrated or emotional strained/broken, it's interesting the watch this cycle unfold evey time.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Moreno » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:01 am

dan25 wrote:
Darklordabc wrote:
It's a crucial part of Dogma.

I believe Einstein started with just that: Ifs, mights, and maybes. I think that did us some good.

Has this forum got some vested interest in protecting crackpots? So far I've encountered, weird conspiracy theories about Jews, idiotic ideas about the earth, pseudo-intellectual philosophy, incoherent poetry style ramblings, nihilism, and people who actually believe in god.
For a forum that is branded as a place of higher-thinking, its a bit disappointing that so far I've seen little more than YouTube comment quality.

Well said! This forum is full of IDIOTS, but if you can wade through all the bullshit, there are some genuinely 'clever' posters on here, too.....


Einstein is a crackpot? It was well said what darklord said?

I believe you said what ifs will never lead to anything good. It is pointed out by me that speculation and what ifs are a fundamental and necessary part of science, for example, let alone many other kinds of problems solving and investigation processes. Now someone else points out that Einstein used what ifs, which he did, and these were, of course, immensely useful. Now this is the response I am expecting: 'but in science you test and verify.' Well, of course. But neither I nor the other person said that science is ONLY speculating, what ifs, etc. Only that it is used in science and in fact is crucial to it. Now you are ranting about idiots, when in fact I have seen not a single argument in defense of your idea that what ifs never lead to anything good. Instead of defending a very hard to defend idea, you aim a kind of blanket insult and support a post by the darklord that is not a response to what he quotes. Instead he goes off on his own blanket insult as if this is somehow a response to what he quoted.

I see above that you explained your position 'better' in a later post. I read that post and I see no acknowledgment that speculation is a valuable part of many processes. It simply seems like a continuation of the rant in the earlier post. And note, I argued by pointing out that science finds speculation necessary. This is actually a philosophy forum. Philosophy has always made even more room for speculation. IOW speculation can be included in finished products, whereas in science there must be further steps.

I really dont understand why no one should utter any idea unless it has already be confirmed by science, when even the informal science community does not restrict itself to this kind of censorship. Must we adhere to the policies of peer reviewed science journals in an online philosophy discussion forum?

Can't people who dislike speculation actually demonstrate via arguments what the problems are or might be with the speculation, instead of bemoaning the fact that someone is presenting a hypothetical? Why not do philosophy in response to what you consider irrational or ignore those threads that focus on what you consider metaphysical.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Moreno » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:22 am

kk23wong wrote:What I highlighted in the hypothesis here is that the Conscious Earth use the advantage of her gifted power from birth to build an ideal world on her own desires.
What makes you think the earth is female? Why would she be pro-division amongst humans. This leads to all sorts of problems for her. Just war alone in incredibly damaging, at least to the organic portions of the earth.

She manipulated our world and has a close relationship with us, but she is not the one who really started the universe.
Sounds like a kind of demiurge.
We can see that the design of the universe shows the evidence of the God - a creator - existed. The problem lie here is that prophets or many legends in various religions are being cheated by the presence of the Conscious Earth. They thought they are talking with the God, but actually they are talking to a supreme being who was also being created by the creator like all of us.
Sounds even more like a demiurge, especially the Gnostic version of one....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demiurge

The Conscious Earth has a relationship with us like a "mother" but also playing the role as a manipulator. It sounds weird but it is the best answer I can give to the presence of the God in religions and the real situations that the humankind are facing with.
Why are most of them patriarchal religions, then?
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby ShellyA » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:30 am

dan25 wrote:
Moreno wrote:
dan25 wrote:What if....ifs and ands were pots and pans, and all the sea was ink, and all the trees were bread and cheese...what would we have to drink?
Ifs, mights, and maybes....will never do us any good.
Entertaining hypotheticals will never do us any good...? There goes science.

This nonsense WILL NEVER do anything helpful for humanity... "Science"? Science is useful; this crap is not! Maybe one day this could be called science, but right now this is just metaphysical bullshit!!


I'm not sure why, in a philosophy forum, if someone presents a hypothesis, even if it's metaphysical in nature...why it is so hard for people who do not want to entertain the hypothesis to just.....can you guess??

THAT'S RIGHT!!

Not respond!! I'm a veteran of a different variety of forums, and I think the OP presented an interesting concept, so instead of attacking the guy, and calling his thoughts bullshit, why can't people just move on to another thread and not comment? It seems like people get off on attacking and belitting others here for existing out on the fringe.

The scientists that had the balls to pursue radical and strange ideas ended up being pioneers for humanity and it's advancement in concepts, so what is the big deal with what this guy had to say? Seems counter-intuitive to me to attack the poor dude.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby Darklordabc » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:41 am

I'm not sure why, in a philosophy forum, if someone presents a hypothesis, even if it's metaphysical in nature...why it is so hard for people who do not want to entertain the hypothesis to just.....can you guess??

THAT'S RIGHT!!

Not respond!! I'm a veteran of a different variety of forums, and I think the OP presented an interesting concept, so instead of attacking the guy, and calling his thoughts bullshit, why can't people just move on to another thread and not comment? It seems like people get off on attacking and belitting others here for existing out on the fringe.

The scientists that had the balls to pursue radical and strange ideas ended up being pioneers for humanity and it's advancement in concepts, so what is the big deal with what this guy had to say? Seems counter-intuitive to me to attack the poor dude.

What if it was holocaust denying, and saying the Jews invented it? Would it still be "cute" and "hip"? Should we humour him then and enjoy his "diversity" of thought? Is that how we should operate, just let any old shit fly?
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby felix dakat » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:58 am

Darklordabc wrote:To be honest, I think its a really stupid idea.


That's an insult not an argument.
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Re: What if the Earth is conscious?

Postby felix dakat » Fri Oct 12, 2012 4:01 am

Darklordabc wrote:
Again, without what ifs science is severely if not totally undermined. I am responding to your assertion that what ifs will never do us any good. I was not calling what he was doing science. But science is dependant on speculative what if processes. Utterly. They do not constitute all of science, but that is not the point I am making.

Have you seen how scientists rebuke each other, its merciless. So shooting down other people's stupid ideas, is also a crucial part of science.


Simply calling ideas stupid does not shoot them down. You have to make actual arguments.
The purpose of my life would seem to be to express the truth as I discover it, but in such a manner that it is completely devoid of authority. By having no authority, by being seen by all as utterly unreliable, I express the truth and put everyone in a contradictory position where they can only save themselves by making the truth their own.
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