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church attendance has fallen to less then 50% USA

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:51 pm

some recent polling has suggested that the church attendance in the U.S
has fallen below 50%... the evidence suggest that this began before IQ45 was
president.. and has increased ever since.....and to be honest, I believe
that the number is really much lower... people only seem to go to church
Easter and Christmas...and on any Sunday, the average attendance is most
likely below 25%....and that is based on the fact, that most churches are done
via zoom or some other virtual method these days...

I would be willing to bet that the attendance in Black churches is much higher
then in "white" churches....and much higher in the south and parts of the west, then
on the coasts, east or west...

and from my perspective, religion has been one of, if not the single most
destructive invention of human beings ever....

religions or the religious context has caused more death and destruction
then just about any other ism, since the rise of mankind..

millions have died from wars about religion or have been victim of religious
persecution, the Spanish Inquisition for example took the lives of thousands...
as did various crusades and attacks upon such beliefs as Albigensian/Cathar
factions...... it is hard to see the benefits of the church given it many crimes
against humanity.....

I hold that it would be best if organized religion would vanish,
and that people return to a more personal vision of the relationship
between themselves and a god of their own choosing...

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Re: church attendance has fallen to less then 50% USA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:52 am

the general population has access to more information than ever and people just aren't falling for the church scheme anymore
You see...a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.


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Re: church attendance has fallen to less then 50% USA

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:06 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:the general population has access to more information than ever and people just aren't falling for the church scheme anymore


K: equating the church with Amway or other Ponzi schemes.... not a bad analogy....

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Re: church attendance has fallen to less then 50% USA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:08 am

the product is a little different but the money scheme is the same
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Re: church attendance has fallen to less then 50% USA

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:09 am

agreed...

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Re: church attendance has fallen to less then 50% USA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:13 am

wanna hear a joke?

some right wingers in the deep south who love the constitution got together and figured out how to change a law or something so that one of the mega churches could have it's own actual police force. like campus police division of a municipal police force but instead of for a public university, for a church.

you get it? they love the consitution but they advocate for what has to be the most robust form of combining church and state.

https://www.wbrc.com/2019/06/19/briarwo ... -officers/
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Re: church attendance has fallen to less then 50% USA

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:20 am

Mr Reasonable wrote:wanna hear a joke?

some right wingers in the deep south who love the constitution got together and figured out how to change a law or something so that one of the mega churches could have it's own actual police force. like campus police division of a municipal police force but instead of for a public university, for a church.

you get it? they love the consitution but they advocate for what has to be the most robust form of combining church and state.

https://www.wbrc.com/2019/06/19/briarwo ... -officers/


K: actually most right winger/church advocates would love to turn America
into a theocracy, much like Iran.... that would thrill them no end.. and with pretty
much with the exact same rules...and given half the chance, they would

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Re: church attendance has fallen to less then 50% USA

Postby Mr Reasonable » Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:23 am

exactly. the joke is that they want to do this while waving around a constitution that they clearly have not read or do not actually hold as meaning anything
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Re: church attendance has fallen to less then 50% USA

Postby felix dakat » Thu Apr 08, 2021 1:08 pm

Humanity didn't invent religion anymore than it invented itself. Religion became manifest when homo sapiens emerged as a species.

The concept of religion as a belief and practice in contra-distinction to secularity is historically a Christian one. European "anti-religious" sentiment grew out of Protestantism which was influenced by Islamic iconoclasm. It would more accurately be termed anti-formalism.

Attending church services is categorially formal religion. The trend toward claiming to be spiritual rather than religious is anti-formal. Like agnosticism and atheism it's essentially a continuation of the Protestant principle.

In a broad sense the culture war which is dividing America is a religious conflict. The political left is not necessarily any less religious or spiritual, as they might prefer to call it, than the religious right.

In 1963, when Martin Luther King addressed hundreds of thousands of civil rights protestors assembled in Washington, he had aimed his speech at the country beyond the capital as well—at an America that was still an unapologetically Christian nation. By 2017, things were different. Among the four co-chairs of the Women’s March was a Muslim. Marching through Washington were Sikhs, Buddhists, Jews. Huge numbers had no faith at all. Even the Christians among the organisers flinched from attempting to echo the prophetic voice of a Martin Luther King. Nevertheless, their manifesto was no less based in theological presumptions than that of the civil rights movement had been. Implicit in #MeToo was the same call to sexual continence that had reverberated throughout throughout the Church’s history. Protestors who marched in the red cloaks of handmaids were summoning men to exercise control over their lusts just as the Puritans had done. Appetites that had been hailed by enthusiasts for sexual liberation as Dionysiac stood condemned once again as predatory and violent. The human body was not an object, not a commodity to be used by the rich and powerful as and when they pleased. Two thousand years of Christian sexual morality had resulted in men as well as women widely taking this for granted. Had it not, then #MeToo would have had no force.

Holland, Tom. Dominion (p. 531). Basic Books. Kindle Edition.
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