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Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:34 am

I had my AstraZeneca jab two weeks ago today. I wasn't particularly happy about doing so, but my main concern was for others around me, particularly those that I work with.

I felt nothing at all on the day, but had a fairly restless night, and the following day felt quite weak with a mild headache. That had pretty much cleared up by the next day, but I've noticed a mild pain in my left elbow since then, as if I've bumped it on something.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Sculptor » Sat Jul 17, 2021 2:32 pm

Maia wrote:I had my AstraZeneca jab two weeks ago today. I wasn't particularly happy about doing so, but my main concern was for others around me, particularly those that I work with.

I felt nothing at all on the day, but had a fairly restless night, and the following day felt quite weak with a mild headache. That had pretty much cleared up by the next day, but I've noticed a mild pain in my left elbow since then, as if I've bumped it on something.


Why were you not happy about it?
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:42 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Maia wrote:I had my AstraZeneca jab two weeks ago today. I wasn't particularly happy about doing so, but my main concern was for others around me, particularly those that I work with.

I felt nothing at all on the day, but had a fairly restless night, and the following day felt quite weak with a mild headache. That had pretty much cleared up by the next day, but I've noticed a mild pain in my left elbow since then, as if I've bumped it on something.


Why were you not happy about it?


I don't like the idea of putting chemicals and artificial drugs in my body, and always try and avoid prescription medication, for example.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jul 17, 2021 6:24 pm

Maia wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
Maia wrote:I had my AstraZeneca jab two weeks ago today. I wasn't particularly happy about doing so, but my main concern was for others around me, particularly those that I work with.

I felt nothing at all on the day, but had a fairly restless night, and the following day felt quite weak with a mild headache. That had pretty much cleared up by the next day, but I've noticed a mild pain in my left elbow since then, as if I've bumped it on something.


Why were you not happy about it?


I don't like the idea of putting chemicals and artificial drugs in my body, and always try and avoid prescription medication, for example.




But did You not feel a sense of relief for not fearIng infection like You used to? And was this Your first shot?
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Sat Jul 17, 2021 7:06 pm

Meno_ wrote:But did You not feel a sense of relief for not fearIng infection like You used to? And was this Your first shot?


Yes, it was my first shot. I suppose I felt a slight sense of relief about lessening my chances of being infected, but that wasn't a huge fear anyway, given my age and general good health.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Sculptor » Sun Jul 18, 2021 12:06 am

Maia wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
Maia wrote:I had my AstraZeneca jab two weeks ago today. I wasn't particularly happy about doing so, but my main concern was for others around me, particularly those that I work with.

I felt nothing at all on the day, but had a fairly restless night, and the following day felt quite weak with a mild headache. That had pretty much cleared up by the next day, but I've noticed a mild pain in my left elbow since then, as if I've bumped it on something.


Why were you not happy about it?


I don't like the idea of putting chemicals and artificial drugs in my body, and always try and avoid prescription medication, for example.


You cover your body with artificial clothes. You drink purified water with additives to stop bacteria. If you drink anything with alcohol they are artificial; all cooked food is artificial; you put artificail stuff on your hair and I suppose you use soap - that is artificial too.
Your home is artificial and the computer you are using is artificial. Your whole like is artificial unless you are living in the open and covering yourself with animal pelts.
There is no doubt that you daily inhale a range of bacteria and viruses, many are friendly some are not. In fact you have very little idea of what you might be imbibing. But one thing is clear, the vaccine is probably the safest thing you are going to put in your body this year.

And BTW
When you are older and actually need medication you will be shovelling that stuff in and you will live much longer because of it.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:40 am

Sculptor wrote:You cover your body with artificial clothes. You drink purified water with additives to stop bacteria. If you drink anything with alcohol they are artificial; all cooked food is artificial; you put artificail stuff on your hair and I suppose you use soap - that is artificial too.
Your home is artificial and the computer you are using is artificial. Your whole like is artificial unless you are living in the open and covering yourself with animal pelts.
There is no doubt that you daily inhale a range of bacteria and viruses, many are friendly some are not. In fact you have very little idea of what you might be imbibing. But one thing is clear, the vaccine is probably the safest thing you are going to put in your body this year.

And BTW
When you are older and actually need medication you will be shovelling that stuff in and you will live much longer because of it.


None of those things are injected though. When we eat, we have natural defences to protect ourselves against infection, and the same when we touch things in the environment, or breathe things in. They are not perfect, of course, but we can improve them with a healthy lifestyle.

I agree that the vaccine is much safter than most things, and I did, after all, choose to have it, which I didn't have to.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Sculptor » Sun Jul 18, 2021 1:40 pm

Maia wrote:
Sculptor wrote:You cover your body with artificial clothes. You drink purified water with additives to stop bacteria. If you drink anything with alcohol they are artificial; all cooked food is artificial; you put artificail stuff on your hair and I suppose you use soap - that is artificial too.
Your home is artificial and the computer you are using is artificial. Your whole like is artificial unless you are living in the open and covering yourself with animal pelts.
There is no doubt that you daily inhale a range of bacteria and viruses, many are friendly some are not. In fact you have very little idea of what you might be imbibing. But one thing is clear, the vaccine is probably the safest thing you are going to put in your body this year.

And BTW
When you are older and actually need medication you will be shovelling that stuff in and you will live much longer because of it.


None of those things are injected though.

Not an especially valid distinction.
If it were not for these evil vaccinations most of us would probably died in childhood.

When we eat, we have natural defences to protect ourselves against infection, and the same when we touch things in the environment, or breathe things in. They are not perfect, of course, but we can improve them with a healthy lifestyle.

I agree that the vaccine is much safter than most things, and I did, after all, choose to have it, which I didn't have to.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Sun Jul 18, 2021 3:11 pm

The issue with regard to the covid vaccine was, for me, about whether it was actually necessary, not whether it was "evil" (your word, not mine). It seems obvious to me that one should not inject things into one's body that are not necessary, no matter how safe they are. Speaking personally, it was clearly not necessary. I decided to have it because of the benefits to others, not myself.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Sculptor » Sun Jul 18, 2021 4:09 pm

Maia wrote:The issue with regard to the covid vaccine was, for me, about whether it was actually necessary, not whether it was "evil" (your word, not mine). It seems obvious to me that one should not inject things into one's body that are not necessary, no matter how safe they are. Speaking personally, it was clearly not necessary. I decided to have it because of the benefits to others, not myself.


It is probably more necessary that any other vaccine.
The invention of vaccines has made a monumental transformation to our lives. Vaccination relies on people accepting the vaccine as a duty. Diseases have been wiped out because of vaccines because they are widely distributed. Diseases only re-emerge because people are skeptical.
There are several reasons why even a young person ought to get vaccinated.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:34 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Maia wrote:The issue with regard to the covid vaccine was, for me, about whether it was actually necessary, not whether it was "evil" (your word, not mine). It seems obvious to me that one should not inject things into one's body that are not necessary, no matter how safe they are. Speaking personally, it was clearly not necessary. I decided to have it because of the benefits to others, not myself.


It is probably more necessary that any other vaccine.
The invention of vaccines has made a monumental transformation to our lives. Vaccination relies on people accepting the vaccine as a duty. Diseases have been wiped out because of vaccines because they are widely distributed. Diseases only re-emerge because people are skeptical.
There are several reasons why even a young person ought to get vaccinated.


Well, yes, and that's why I had it.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby perpetualburn » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:20 pm

Maia wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
Maia wrote:The issue with regard to the covid vaccine was, for me, about whether it was actually necessary, not whether it was "evil" (your word, not mine). It seems obvious to me that one should not inject things into one's body that are not necessary, no matter how safe they are. Speaking personally, it was clearly not necessary. I decided to have it because of the benefits to others, not myself.


It is probably more necessary that any other vaccine.
The invention of vaccines has made a monumental transformation to our lives. Vaccination relies on people accepting the vaccine as a duty. Diseases have been wiped out because of vaccines because they are widely distributed. Diseases only re-emerge because people are skeptical.
There are several reasons why even a young person ought to get vaccinated.


Well, yes, and that's why I had it.


So basically you were pressured and manipulated by a conniving and untrustworthy media and medical establishment to get a "vaccine"(that has been reported to cause microscopic blood clots) that you absolutely did not need and which will absolutely not "benefit others"
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:56 pm

perpetualburn wrote:So basically you were pressured and manipulated by a conniving and untrustworthy media and medical establishment to get a "vaccine"(that has been reported to cause microscopic blood clots) that you absolutely did not need and which will absolutely not "benefit others"


No more perhaps than you are pressured and manipulated by those who share you own objectivist "one of us" mentality to insist that only those who think exactly as you do about vaccinations [and everything else] are even entitled to weigh in on it.

The vaccination controversy...is it just one more platform for you to reduce everything down to your own arrogant "my way or the highway" dogmas relating, perhaps, to the fulminating fanatic mentality of those over at Know Thyself? If you embrace a particular behavior it's only "natural". If someone rejects that behavior it's because they are brainwashed to embrace a "social construct" that the despicable liberals and left wingers use to control the world.

Right?
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Tue Jul 20, 2021 8:10 pm

perpetualburn wrote:So basically you were pressured and manipulated by a conniving and untrustworthy media and medical establishment to get a "vaccine"(that has been reported to cause microscopic blood clots) that you absolutely did not need and which will absolutely not "benefit others"


There is very good evidence that the vaccine rollout has been a great success. The mortality rate for those who are hospitalised is something like 5% of that of the previous wave, and fewer people are being hosptalised too.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby perpetualburn » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:18 am

iambiguous wrote:
perpetualburn wrote:So basically you were pressured and manipulated by a conniving and untrustworthy media and medical establishment to get a "vaccine"(that has been reported to cause microscopic blood clots) that you absolutely did not need and which will absolutely not "benefit others"


No more perhaps than you are pressured and manipulated by those who share you own objectivist "one of us" mentality to insist that only those who think exactly as you do about vaccinations [and everything else] are even entitled to weigh in on it.

The vaccination controversy...is it just one more platform for you to reduce everything down to your own arrogant "my way or the highway" dogmas relating, perhaps, to the fulminating fanatic mentality of those over at Know Thyself? If you embrace a particular behavior it's only "natural". If someone rejects that behavior it's because they are brainwashed to embrace a "social construct" that the despicable liberals and left wingers use to control the world.

Right?


How about "embracing" the notion of holding off on an experimental vaccine until there are long term studies on its side effects? ( i.e. not rushing to the nearest fucking McDonald's which only in clown world literally doubles as a vaccination site). How about the fact that majority of people that went and got the vaccine didn't even consult with their own doctor first because they were in such a mad, media induced rush to get injected with the miracle cure. I guess holding off for a minute and questioning the data makes one a "fanatic" now...
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Sculptor » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:36 am

perpetualburn wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
perpetualburn wrote:So basically you were pressured and manipulated by a conniving and untrustworthy media and medical establishment to get a "vaccine"(that has been reported to cause microscopic blood clots) that you absolutely did not need and which will absolutely not "benefit others"


No more perhaps than you are pressured and manipulated by those who share you own objectivist "one of us" mentality to insist that only those who think exactly as you do about vaccinations [and everything else] are even entitled to weigh in on it.

The vaccination controversy...is it just one more platform for you to reduce everything down to your own arrogant "my way or the highway" dogmas relating, perhaps, to the fulminating fanatic mentality of those over at Know Thyself? If you embrace a particular behavior it's only "natural". If someone rejects that behavior it's because they are brainwashed to embrace a "social construct" that the despicable liberals and left wingers use to control the world.

Right?


How about "embracing" the notion of holding off on an experimental vaccine until there are long term studies on its side effects? ( i.e. not rushing to the nearest fucking McDonald's which only in clown world literally doubles as a vaccination site). How about the fact that majority of people that went and got the vaccine didn't even consult with their own doctor first because they were in such a mad, media induced rush to get injected with the miracle cure. I guess holding off for a minute and questioning the data makes one a "fanatic" now...


Hysterical nonsense.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Sculptor » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:44 am

perpetualburn wrote:
Maia wrote:
Well, yes, and that's why I had it.


So basically you were pressured and manipulated by a conniving and untrustworthy media and medical establishment to get a "vaccine"(that has been reported to cause microscopic blood clots) that you absolutely did not need and which will absolutely not "benefit others"


Things that cause blood clots:
Prolonged sitting (often the case with travel when you are forced to sit for long periods in an airplane, a train, or a car)
Prolonged bed rest (often the case with surgery or illness)
Pregnancy.
Smoking.
Obesity.
Birth control pills/hormone replacement therapy/breast cancer medicines.

Evidence present concerning vaccinated people getting clots:

"The Committee carried out an in-depth review of 62 cases of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis and 24 cases of splanchnic vein thrombosis reported in the EU drug safety database (EudraVigilance) as of 22 March 2021, 18 of which were fatal. The cases came mainly from spontaneous reporting systems of the EEA and the UK, where around 25 million people had received the vaccine."

Look at the figures.

18 fatalities cases in 25 million
Chances of getting a blood clot after the vaccine less that 1 in a million.

Chances of getting blood clot
The chances of developing DVT are about 1 in 1000 per year, although certain factors greatly increase this risk. Young people are less likely than older people to develop DVT. The cumulative chance of developing DVT over a lifetime ranges from 2 percent to 5 percent.

Whether or not the vaccine was responsible for ANY of those cases is unknown.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:59 am

The UK vaccine rollout is one of the great success stories of Brexit, and fully justifies my decision to vote to leave the EU five years ago, despite the vilification I received for it afterwards. The EU vaccine scheme has been a disaster in comparison to the UK's.
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Postby Sculptor » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:13 pm

Maia wrote:The UK vaccine rollout is one of the great success stories of Brexit, and fully justifies my decision to vote to leave the EU five years ago, despite the vilification I received for it afterwards. The EU vaccine scheme has been a disaster in comparison to the UK's.


Brexit has nothing whatever to do with it.
The reason it was so well done is because the science was here in the UK. And some of that science was made possible because we were in the EU.
The big problems of Brexit are yet to come - such as loosing some of the links with EU science that made the vaccine possible in the first place.
This is a massive success story of the organistation of the NHS.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Wed Jul 21, 2021 12:20 pm

Sculptor wrote:
Maia wrote:The UK vaccine rollout is one of the great success stories of Brexit, and fully justifies my decision to vote to leave the EU five years ago, despite the vilification I received for it afterwards. The EU vaccine scheme has been a disaster in comparison to the UK's.


Brexit has nothing whatever to do with it.
The reason it was so well done is because the science was here in the UK. And some of that science was made possible because we were in the EU.
The big problems of Brexit are yet to come - such as loosing some of the links with EU science that made the vaccine possible in the first place.
This is a massive success story of the organistation of the NHS.


If we had still be in the EU the chances are we would have signed up for the EU vaccine scheme, and tens of thousands more people would have died.

Outside the constraints of the EU our universities can build up closer links with others round the world. I think it's something like three of the top ten universities in the world are in the UK, including the number one spot (Oxford), and none at all are in the EU.

I agree that the NHS is world beating.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:14 pm

perpetualburn wrote:How about "embracing" the notion of holding off on an experimental vaccine until there are long term studies on its side effects? ( i.e. not rushing to the nearest fucking McDonald's which only in clown world literally doubles as a vaccination site). How about the fact that majority of people that went and got the vaccine didn't even consult with their own doctor first because they were in such a mad, media induced rush to get injected with the miracle cure. I guess holding off for a minute and questioning the data makes one a "fanatic" now...


Yeah, sure, you can make these points. And those on the other side of the debate have their rebuttals lined up. And, in turn, they have lots and lots of points for you as well.

Instead, my point still remains this:

No more perhaps than you are pressured and manipulated by those who share you own objectivist "one of us" mentality to insist that only those who think exactly as you do about vaccinations [and everything else] are even entitled to weigh in on it.

The vaccination controversy...is it just one more platform for you to reduce everything down to your own arrogant "my way or the highway" dogmas relating, perhaps, to the fulminating fanatic mentality of those over at Know Thyself? If you embrace a particular behavior it's only "natural". If someone rejects that behavior it's because they are brainwashed to embrace a "social construct" that the despicable liberals and left wingers use to control the world.

Right?


For objectivists of your ilk, arguments about things like vaccinations are [from my frame of mind] always linked to the "bigger picture". In your case, the world according to those like Satyr?

It's not what the liberals and the left wingers think about vaccines or anything else that seems to motivate you. It's the contempt you feel for anyone who does not think exactly as you do about vaccines or anything else.

That's the discussion I would like to have with you.

Or is that "hijacking the thread"?

If so, then let's start a new one.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:47 pm

You have long claimed to be "Naturalist" and "Pagan", yet you inoculate yourself with an experimental gene-therapy solution, ingredients unknown to the general public, owned and patented by the admitted Eugenicist Bill Gates, that cannot be called a "vaccine" as is the MMR (live-virus) vaccine or vaccines of old. Furthermore, the death rate to young people to Covid is 1 per million, while the death rate of this "vaccine" is 1 per 3000. Furthermore the source of 'Covid' itself is still covered-up as the lead "doctor" Anthony Fauci to the pandemic has monetary ties and funding to the Wuhan Laboratory, which he lied and denied in front of the US Senate.

The widespread injuries, maiming, and deaths to this vaccine is also being massively suppressed by mainstream media, gaslit by the liberal-left in general, as family members watch their own family die to the "vaccine", and still promote it even after killing their own kin (Stockholm Syndrome).

So, how do you feel, knowing that you have altered your own DNA?

Can you really call yourself "pagan" from this point forward? I don't see how, if you can overturn your deepest spiritual values so easily?
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:52 pm

Maia wrote:There is very good evidence that the vaccine rollout has been a great success.

Evidence according to whom? The Mainsteam Media that have monetary ties linked to its rollout, those that have a monetary investment and incentive to spread it??

Have you done any real research? Probably not, nor will you, since you are now invested in its utility, as are almost all of those who injected themselves now have a personal motive to defend vaccination (because if it were poisonous or toxic it would mean those who took the shot are fools of the highest caliber).

Are you aware of tens of thousands of deaths directly from the vaccine being suppressed right now in the US alone?



For all those who have altered your genes with this "vaccine", God save your souls...
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Sculptor » Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:51 pm

Maia wrote:
Sculptor wrote:
Maia wrote:The UK vaccine rollout is one of the great success stories of Brexit, and fully justifies my decision to vote to leave the EU five years ago, despite the vilification I received for it afterwards. The EU vaccine scheme has been a disaster in comparison to the UK's.


Brexit has nothing whatever to do with it.
The reason it was so well done is because the science was here in the UK. And some of that science was made possible because we were in the EU.
The big problems of Brexit are yet to come - such as loosing some of the links with EU science that made the vaccine possible in the first place.
This is a massive success story of the organistation of the NHS.


If we had still be in the EU the chances are we would have signed up for the EU vaccine scheme, and tens of thousands more people would have died.

What news papers are you reading. LOL
The UK has the worst death rate in the EU except Belgium, and now Poland, because of that dickwad PM, who thought we'd be better-off (quote) "taking it on the chin".
The UK death rate is still worst that Germany, France, and even Spain and Italy who were hit early and hard.


Outside the constraints of the EU our universities can build up closer links with others round the world.

Rubbish. The EU posed no restriction on academic links. Leaving the EU has not changed that. What we have lost is all the connections to the EU that we once enjoyed, and funding for EU countries which the UK benefited from far more than most other EU countries.. I know a lot of academic and none of them were Brexiter for that reason. Brexit is a fuckinf disaster for UK universities.
I think it's something like three of the top ten universities in the world are in the UK, including the number one spot (Oxford), and none at all are in the EU.

It does not matter what you "think". You need to learn the facts.

I agree that the NHS is world beating.
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Re: Thoughts after having had the vaccine

Postby Maia » Thu Jul 22, 2021 12:10 am

Death rates have nothing to do with the EU, though vaccine rates have everything to do with us leaving.

You may well know a lot of academics who are anti-Brexit, because Brexit favours the working classes, not the middle classes.

English universities seemed to get on just fine for 700 years before the EU came along.

As a historian the nature of the EU is very clear to me. It is a new Holy Roman Empire. It even has the same type of rubber stamp parliament and unelected leadership.
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