Should I have the vaccine?

[Maia]

I still have a few months to decide of course, but it's been playing on my mind a bit.

Personally, I'm sure I don't need it. I'm fit and healthy, exercise regularly, and have only just turned 30. But I could still be a carrier, and I work with elderly people.

They say they plan to vaccinate all adults by July, I think it was. They also deny there will be vaccine passports, but I don't believe this. If I refuse to take it, I'll probably lose my job when the leisure centre reopens.

[Urwrongx1000]

No, too many reported side-effects, "cure" worse than the disease.

If you want to poison yourself, it would be wise to wait 4 or 6 more months to see how much damage it actually does to the human guinea pigs.

[Peter Kropotkin]

I will get the shot in a week.. I have read the stuff, it is nothing....
no big deal at all...... of course, UR is wrong.. but that's because he listens
to people who sell pillows and not to doctors.....

Kropotkin

[Urwrongx1000]

Kropotkin is a Communist; his opinion is invalid, don't get the shot.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Kropotkin is a Communist; his opinion is invalid, don't get the shot.

K: Trump and wife Melania got the vaccine...that the best evidence for getting the shot....

Kropotkin

[Urwrongx1000]

Trump already had Covid. He doesn't need the vaccine. Many government officials are getting placebos, not the actual vaccine.

Secondly, young healthy people don't need the vaccine. It is mostly aimed toward elderly people.

Thirdly, it is an open-test, which is admitted medically and scientifically.

Forthly, where did the Covid virus spread, and who has been censoring information and public access to its data.

Fifthly, you don't care about anybody but yourself, Kropotkin, so don't pretend to start here.


I could go on, but this is enough for now.

[Maia]

No, too many reported side-effects, "cure" worse than the disease.

If you want to poison yourself, it would be wise to wait 4 or 6 more months to see how much damage it actually does to the human guinea pigs.

I'll probably have to wait at least 4 or 5 months before I'm called anyway, since I'm in one of the lowest priority groups.

[WendyDarling]

No, too many reported side-effects, "cure" worse than the disease.

If you want to poison yourself, it would be wise to wait 4 or 6 more months to see how much damage it actually does to the human guinea pigs.

I'll probably have to wait at least 4 or 5 months before I'm called anyway, since I'm in one of the lowest priority groups.

Yeah, you don’t need it. Let the elderly get it. Some young women worry that it may cause sterility. Young men should worry about that too if they ever plan to have kids.

[Peter Kropotkin]

[quote="Urwrongx1000"]Trump already had Covid. He doesn't need the vaccine. Many government officials are getting placebos, not the actual vaccine.

K: and yet, IQ45 did get the vaccine, that is a fact...
and it would be pointless to get a placebo.. that doesn't even make sense...

U: Secondly, young healthy people don't need the vaccine. It is mostly aimed toward elderly people.

K: actually young people do need to get vaccinated, 20% of all cases were people under
30.. and they are likely carriers of the disease, giving it to parents and grandparents..

U: Thirdly, it is an open-test, which is admitted medically and scientifically.

K: I don't know what this means....

UR:
Forthly, where did the Covid virus spread, and who has been censoring information and public access to its data.

K: just more conspiracy theories...

U: Fifthly, you don't care about anybody but yourself, Kropotkin, so don't pretend to start here.

K: this doesn't mean anything about what we are talking about which is whether one
should get vaccinated or not...it is just, here look over here, type of statement...

Kropotkin

[Ecmandu]

I already have both vaccines. Not a big deal.

Now, the vaccine only works 95% of the time.

Considering that only 0.5% of people die from Covid ... it seems on the surface that vaccines make no economic or logical sense for Covid ...

But here’s the deal... even if you do catch Covid after being vaccinated ... Covid appears, at worse, as a mild cold. That 5% doesn’t die.

[Jakob]

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[Urwrongx1000]

K: and yet, IQ45 did get the vaccine, that is a fact...
and it would be pointless to get a placebo.. that doesn't even make sense...

So you agree with my point, it is senseless for people who had Covid to get a vaccine, since a vaccine is designed to immunize people from a virus.

K: actually young people do need to get vaccinated, 20% of all cases were people under
30.. and they are likely carriers of the disease, giving it to parents and grandparents..

If the vaccine does not immunize the spread of the disease then it is pointless for a young adult to receive it.

K: I don't know what this means....

This isn't surprising, Kropotkin, you aren't the sharpest tool of the shed.

K: this doesn't mean anything about what we are talking about which is whether one
should get vaccinated or not...it is just, here look over here, type of statement...

Kropotkin

It means that you don't care about anybody but yourself, which is very relevant, because you don't actually care or think about the negative side-effects of the vaccine, or the severity of Covid itself. Furthermore it means that you should not be offering advice to others about whether to receive the vaccine or not.

[Urwrongx1000]

even if you do catch Covid after being vaccinated

That means the Vaccine doesn't work, and people shouldn't get it.

It's that simple.

Or it proves, which is stated in the disclosure agreements, that some people receive placebos (which is why they do not have severe side-effects).

[Ecmandu]

Absolutely not Maia.

Normally I say let fools take an already frequently fatal shot of untested RNA altering crap for a disease that has a mortality rate equal to flu and only in the elderly, but you're too precious.

It doesn’t alter rna, it alters the messengers of rna in the body to block a compound protein that is necessary to construct Covid.

[Ecmandu]

even if you do catch Covid after being vaccinated

That means the Vaccine doesn't work, and people shouldn't get it.

It's that simple.

Or it proves, which is stated in the disclosure agreements, that some people receive placebos (which is why they do not have severe side-effects).

This is just ignorant shit and lies.

The death rate of the regular flu is 0.01%.

Covid is 0.5%

Unlike the regular flu... many people surviving Covid have life long side effects. I’d rather die personally!

The disclosure agreements were for the clinical trials, not the general population.

[Peter Kropotkin]

to those thinking about getting the vaccine, one must remember the side that
is against it, the right wing, they do not believe in science, medicine, logic,
rationality.... they have admitted to not believing in science and experts
and medicine... so to follow those who have admitted to not believing in
science, not believing in experts and not believing in medicine or doctors.....
is not very intelligent

our modern world has been build upon technology and that is based on
science and experts and rationality..... these people are nothing more then
luddites...they hate the modern world..... they decry every single advancement
in science, they dump on any changes and they are afraid.. and that
fear lays at the heart of everything a right winger hold dear.....

their strongest emotion is fear and that fear drives everything they do and say
and think... don't be like a right winger and allow your fear to drive you and
your actions....

the conservatives looks backward, never forward.... they remember fondly
the past and deny the future... this is what drives their hatred of the vaccination
programs... hate, fear and anger... the basic emotions which drives all conservatives...
all conservatives....

be better then a conservative and allow hope for a better tomorrow
to be your guide, not the conservative values of hate and anger and especially
fear to drive your thoughts and actions...

Kropotkin

[Jakob]

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[Urwrongx1000]

The thing is, Ecmandu, is that your opinions are stupid:

Doctors in Norway have been told to conduct more thorough evaluations of very frail elderly patients in line to receive the Pfizer BioNTec vaccine against covid-19, following the deaths of 23 patients shortly after receiving the vaccine.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149

South Korea is investigating seven cases of people dying after receiving COVID-19 vaccine shots, local media reported on Friday.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/latest-on-coro ... ns/2165865

An Orange County health care worker has died days after receiving his second dose of Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine, it was reported Tuesday.

The coroner has said the cause of death is inconclusive for now, and further toxicology testing will take months.

Tim Zook, 60, worked as an X-ray technologist at South Coast Global Medical Center in Santa Ana.

On January 5, Zook posted a photo of his COVID-19 vaccination card with the caption, "Never been so excited to get a shot before. I am now fully vaccinated after receiving my 2nd Pfizer dose."

Just two hours after receiving his second dose he started experiencing abdominal pain and breathing difficulties. His health spiraled downward and he died four days later.

"The doctors believe that his body reacted to something after he took the vaccine and they called it an inflammatory reaction," said his wife of 27 years, Rochelle. "It was so intense that it started attacking major organs and he never had a chance to recover."

His family said he had high blood pressure and was slightly overweight, but other than that, he was quite healthy.

Zook's wife said her husband was a proponent of the vaccine and that she does not blame any pharmaceutical company.

"He believed in vaccines. I’m sure he would take that vaccine again, and he’d want the public to take it," she said.

https://www.foxla.com/news/oc-health-ca ... th-pending

[Urwrongx1000]

to those thinking about getting the vaccine, one must remember the side that
is against it, the right wing, they do not believe in science, medicine, logic,
rationality.... they have admitted to not believing in science and experts
and medicine... so to follow those who have admitted to not believing in
science, not believing in experts and not believing in medicine or doctors.....
is not very intelligent

our modern world has been build upon technology and that is based on
science and experts and rationality..... these people are nothing more then
luddites...they hate the modern world..... they decry every single advancement
in science, they dump on any changes and they are afraid.. and that
fear lays at the heart of everything a right winger hold dear.....

their strongest emotion is fear and that fear drives everything they do and say
and think... don't be like a right winger and allow your fear to drive you and
your actions....

the conservatives looks backward, never forward.... they remember fondly
the past and deny the future... this is what drives their hatred of the vaccination
programs... hate, fear and anger... the basic emotions which drives all conservatives...
all conservatives....

be better then a conservative and allow hope for a better tomorrow
to be your guide, not the conservative values of hate and anger and especially
fear to drive your thoughts and actions...

Kropotkin

Kropotkin keep your fear and hate-mongering to yourself.

Obviously you need to preach hate, since you cannot further your message and argument rationally.

[Urwrongx1000]

Here is some more information for Maia:

Ben Stein: "A word of warning, my fellow Americans. I had the Covid Moderna booster four or five days ago and I'm still feeling wild side effects from it, like I had the worst flu in the world, extreme shortness of breath, dizziness, fatigue, extremely irrational thinking, it has just been devastating."

https://www.bitchute.com/video/wZ5Jd3hqR34g/

[Urwrongx1000]

Regardless of the misinformation Kropotkin and Ecmandu propagate here, it's best to wait 6 more months and do your own research along the way. As for me, I've seen too much censorship, story spiking, videos, data, which conform to ulterior motives and political agendas, that I cannot trust either Covid or the vaccination.



Ask yourself this for example:

What has USA, or countries around the world, done against China for their release of the Covid virus?

Answer that question seriously, has China been held accountable? Did they manage the disease well, or mismanage? Did other countries around the world, manage the disease well, or mismanage? If those in Authority are not held accountable, then what makes you believe they will be held accountable for any potential mismanaging now or in the future? What was the ultimate cause of the spread? Was it intentional or unintentional?

If you cannot answer these questions firmly and confidently, then you shouldn't answer or speak confidently about the adverse after-effects, including the vaccination.

[Urwrongx1000]

Maia, do you believe China released Covid intentionally or unintentionally?

And how was it released?

[Ecmandu]

Honestly, the virus came from scientists in the US, can’t remember which fort it was, not plum island, and because of our strict laws they moved it to China, which has no laws.

But that’s besides the point.

The deaths from the Covid vaccines are less than deaths from the polio vaccine.

Urwrong times 1000...

Every sentence you type on ILP is incorrect. I usually don’t even bother with you...

[Urwrongx1000]

You're a pathetic madman, Ecmandu, whom nobody takes seriously or respects.

Piss off.

[Ecmandu]

You're a pathetic madman, Ecmandu, whom nobody takes seriously or respects.

Piss off.

Stop projecting. Every genius who’s ever lived on earth has been called crazy and stupid.

You’re not a genius dude. I am. Even my genius is compartmentalized though. I’m actually a super-genius... like Archimedes or Einstein, Newton, Mozart, Tesla etc... you’re just an ordinary dude with stupid thoughts ... as they say “garbage in, garbage out”, “monkey see, monkey do”

My actual genius is spiritual in nature, but I know things you couldn’t fathom about our mundane existence as well.