the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

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the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Feb 05, 2021 5:58 pm

here I am not going to write about why did the IQ45 coup attempt
failed... long after I am dead, historians will be writing about it,
no, my attempt here is to suggest as to why it should have failed....

take a look at revolutions... take Gandhi for example, he tried to
free India from the domination of England.....he used non-violence as
his tactics and he succeed...but what was the great principle he was fighting for?

he was trying to free India... his cause was the freedom of India, to seek self rule
and we as Americans can truly understand this....so freedom was his great principle....

and the great principle of the American revolution? that was also about self rule....
the great slogan of that time period, "No taxes without representation"
in other words, if we are to be taxed, we should have some sort of voice
in that taxation.... it is a pretty basic and plain reason for the revolt against
England...

so we see that the driver of revolutions are the principles we are fighting for....

now what was the great principle of the IQ45 coup attempt?

was it democracy? that clearly wasn't part of the agenda... was it the sanctity
of the constitution?

the very attempt of overthrow the government clearly show us that the
constitution, the worth and value of the constitution wasn't the focus of
the IQ45 coup attempt....

the coup attempt failed as it should have failed because there was no great
principle behind it...to claim that voting fraud justifies the violent
overthrow of the government is to claim that the constitution has failed...
but it didn't fail... it worked quite well actually.... if you believe in the
constitution, truly believed then you would have gone through the courts
and if the courts deny you relief, as it did in this case denying the IQ45
relief, then after every single court loss, you would have up the next
court and the next court and the next court and this is what IQ45 did,
but once one loses at the Supreme Court.. you stop....if you truly believe
in the sanctity of the constitution....... if you believe in law, if you believe
in the rights of the voters to vote, then you stop... IQ45 lost by over 7 million votes...

that in of itself, should have been good enough to disengage from further
attempts to overthrow democracy.....

so, we come down the the fundamental and principle of the IQ45 coup
attempt...

that there was no great principle driving this coup attempt is clear...
the goal and the only goal was to keep IQ45 in power...
that was the great principle of the Jan. 6 coup attempt...to
keep him in power and that is why he should have failed....

because there was no grand or great principle involved....
it was a raw attempt to seize power.... there was no other principle
involved.. to overthrow the constitution is to deny the constitution
has any value......

if you truly believe in the constitution, then you follow and accept its
rules and obligations.. even if you should lose... as we did when the Dems
lost in 2000 and we had good cause, very good cause to believe that election was
"rigged" and yet, we held to a higher standard and we followed the constitution....
we didn't try to overthrow it or try a coup attempt.....and in 2016, we didn't
try a coup attempt even though that election was far closer then the 2020 election....

because we hold to the constitution... the laws....to the higher principles of
being a democracy.....

and to what principles do the follows of IQ45 hold to?

they will throw out a lot of buzz words, but in fact, they hold only to the
basic principle of power....... that is their mantra... to seek power.....

because if they had believed, truly believed in the constitution, then
they would have followed the constitution and accepted their loss in
the election.....

so in light of this, ask yourself, what great principle do the right wing followers here
follow? what is the great principles that they follow?

we see on the left the principle we follow... we seek justice...and equality
to treat everyone as equals....if there was a fundamental leftist principle
that would be the idea of justice for all....

and of course those on the right will jump up and say, "what about this" and
"what about that" or "what about this thing" but what they won't do, is
to seek the guiding principles of the right, the conservative..... I will venture
a guess that the right doesn't have a overall, guiding principle...
and this is the question for them.....

Lay out your guiding principles for everyone to see....

what principles do you follow?

simple enough request....

I did a year long study of the right/conservative movement and so I know what
the classical principles were, but these followers of IQ45 don't seem to have
any guiding principles that conservatives have followed since Burke....

so, what are your guiding principles? not the action.. there was an illegal vote
and we are fighting that.. that isn't a principle.. that is opposing an action...
give us your principles...not what you are oppose to as actions....but
what you believe in?

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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:12 pm

let us look the head of the Republican party,
Marjorie Taylor Green.. henceforth referred to as MTG....
what principle does she uphold?

she holds to insane conspiracy theories, but those are not principles...

she holds that Jewish leaders, implying Soros, started the California
wildfires by lasers from outer space...and that school shootings are
fake done by actors especially Parkland and Sandy hook...
and that JFK Jr. was killed by the Clintons.....

ok, but what principles does she hold?

conservatives have believed since day one, that the best route
to go was with small government and even smaller taxes...

ok, where does MTG stand on traditional conservative issues like government?

who knows....I'll bet she doesn't even know....
given these conspiracy theories, do you see a defining principle that guides her?

I don't....and that is the problem....given that the GOP is now the party of
fringe conspiracy theories, what is their guiding principles?

I'll bet at this point, I'll bet they don't even know.....

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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:52 pm

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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:37 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:https://www.bitchute.com/video/5Gq1TW1LSKil/


K: I know it is a hard concept to grasp but I don't watch video's as I have
made clear about a thousand times.....

if you have words, use them.....

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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Feb 06, 2021 12:47 am

Your willful ignorance is obvious in every post you make.

Your IQ is less than 45.
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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Sat Feb 06, 2021 3:24 am

Urwrongx1000 wrote:Your willful ignorance is obvious in every post you make.

Your IQ is less than 45.


K: and once again, I let my readers decide for themselves how smart
or not smart I am.....which still leaves me with a question?

what does the GOP stand for? what are the principles that drive the GOP?

it is no longer about low taxes or big government, but the GOP seems to exists for
wild fringe, conspiracy theories and no matter how much fun a wacky conspiracy might
be, we still have to ground ourselves into this, what is our core beliefs?

can anyone tell me what the GOP stands for today?

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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby d0rkyd00d » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:03 am

It appears to me, at this point, that the GOP is an amalgamation of the Tea Party, the religious right, and the traditional GOPers such as Mitt Romney. It is definitely a party divided.

As to why the "coup attempt" failed, I think a large part of it is because of how ambiguous Trump was about the actions he wanted this crowd to take. Of course, he was being intentionally ambiguous for legal culpability reasons, but the crowd therefore lacked direction outside of their own sectarian motives (some of which happened to align).

I, too, have wondered what the desired outcome was for this crowd, had they been successful. Outside of some groups appearing to be combing through documents, looking for evidence of "voter fraud" and other unconstitutional activities, I would imagine in general the crowd simply thought that D. Trump was the only honest person in U.S. Government, and therefore only had virtuous and noble motives and desired outcomes, i.e. taking back power and restoring "Constitutional order."

I worry to imagine what would have happened should he have succeeded.
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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Meno_ » Sat Feb 06, 2021 4:14 am

d0rkyd00d wrote:It appears to me, at this point, that the GOP is an amalgamation of the Tea Party, the religious right, and the traditional GOPers such as Mitt Romney. It is definitely a party divided.


So, Your worries are....hm....over.........

?

As to why the "coup attempt" failed, I think a large part of it is because of how ambiguous Trump was about the actions he wanted this crowd to take. Of course, he was being intentionally ambiguous for legal culpability reasons, but the crowd therefore lacked direction outside of their own sectarian motives (some of which happened to align).

I, too, have wondered what the desired outcome was for this crowd, had they been successful. Outside of some groups appearing to be combing through documents, looking for evidence of "voter fraud" and other unconstitutional activities, I would imagine in general the crowd simply thought that D. Trump was the only honest person in U.S. Government, and therefore only had virtuous and noble motives and desired outcomes, i.e. taking back power and restoring "Constitutional order."

I worry to imagine what would have happened should he have succeeded.


So, Your worries are over.







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Postby promethean75 » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:50 pm

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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Meno_ » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:56 pm

Meno_ wrote:
d0rkyd00d wrote:It appears to me, at this point, that the GOP is an amalgamation of the Tea Party, the religious right, and the traditional GOPers such as Mitt Romney. It is definitely a party divided.


So, Your worries are....hm....over.........

?

As to why the "coup attempt" failed, I think a large part of it is because of how ambiguous Trump was about the actions he wanted this crowd to take. Of course, he was being intentionally ambiguous for legal culpability reasons, but the crowd therefore lacked direction outside of their own sectarian motives (some of which happened to align).

I, too, have wondered what the desired outcome was for this crowd, had they been successful. Outside of some groups appearing to be combing through documents, looking for evidence of "voter fraud" and other unconstitutional activities, I would imagine in general the crowd simply thought that D. Trump was the only honest person in U.S. Government, and therefore only had virtuous and noble motives and desired outcomes, i.e. taking back power and restoring "Constitutional order."

I worry to imagine what would have happened should he have succeeded.


So, Your worries are over.







?






















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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Meno_ » Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:58 pm

Meno_ wrote:
Meno_ wrote:
d0rkyd00d wrote:It appears to me, at this point, that the GOP is an amalgamation of the Tea Party, the religious right, and the traditional GOPers such as Mitt Romney. It is definitely a party divided.


So, Your worries are....hm....over.........

?

As to why the "coup attempt" failed, I think a large part of it is because of how ambiguous Trump was about the actions he wanted this crowd to take. Of course, he was being intentionally ambiguous for legal culpability reasons, but the crowd therefore lacked direction outside of their own sectarian motives (some of which happened to align).

I, too, have wondered what the desired outcome was for this crowd, had they been successful. Outside of some groups appearing to be combing through documents, looking for evidence of "voter fraud" and other unconstitutional activities, I would imagine in general the crowd simply thought that D. Trump was the only honest person in U.S. Government, and therefore only had virtuous and noble motives and desired outcomes, i.e. taking back power and restoring "Constitutional order."

I worry to imagine what would have happened should he have succeeded.


So, Your worries are over.







?






















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But I wish they were#
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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:34 am

lol bitchute
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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:54 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:lol bitchute

this is u admitting to widespread voter fraud that changed the election outcome
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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Feb 12, 2021 8:31 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:
Mr Reasonable wrote:lol bitchute

this is u admitting to widespread voter fraud that changed the election outcome


Nah. It's not.
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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:02 am

Countless, multiple random precincts voting the exact same margin at the same time across states and country.

Mathematically impossible.

Try again.
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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:04 am

im not sure that you understand the difference between necessity and possibility and to be a philosopher you really have to get that sorted out. right now you are making a fundamental error when you think. you are thinking like an idiot.
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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:07 am

Tell me how dozens of precincts across the country have the same voting margin, 55.555555555% at the same time.

Exact same margin.

Explain it, genius.
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Re: the failure of IQ45 coup attempt

Postby Mr Reasonable » Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:11 am

show me evidence that they do
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