## the coup attempts aren't over

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### Re: the coup attempts aren't over

how was russiagate disproven?
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Mr Reasonable wrote:how was russiagate disproven?

They had the best investigators in the world at their disposal, if they can't find anything, in all likelihood it's because there's nothing to be found.

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i think there is a lot of stuff still redacted and some of it is a result of that info pointing toward active investigations. they certainly found obstruction of justice, time will tell whether that obstruction was effective. manafort definitely contacted kilimnik about "getting whole" with deripaska, and mcconnell definitely allowed a vote that lifted sanctions on rusal, and rusal definitely invested big in a new aluminum plant in mcconnells home state.
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WendyDarling wrote:Gloom, the people we are arguing with have an inner sense of self righteousness that excuses all sorts of evil(like their supporting the people who try to burn people alive, so much evil has come out of the “peaceful protests” it would probably take weeks to list every incident, thousands upon thousands of people injured or killed, they excuse and rationalize) in the name of justice.

That's probably the case.

Show me the huge numbers of injustice. Police interactions vs. unarmed deaths Shock me to my senses.

Black people, or white people supposedly on black people's behalf, don't get to attack white people or randos for being white people or randos under any circumstances.
If some group says they do, then that group is inciting a race war.
And that's what dems did, they're guilty of inciting, aiding, abetting and carrying out racial violence.
Under no circumstances will I accept that black or white men on their behalf can attack me, my people or our shit.
In absence of police presence, we oughta do whatever's necessary to defend ourselves, including returning violence with violence.

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d0rkyd00d wrote:
Gloominary wrote:I'm oppressed, therefore I get to burn down someone's small business, or loot it, or beat up the owner.
Wow, that's some oppression there.

Nobody is making that argument. You have enough strawmen to start a mail-order business for farmers.

You just saw a video clip of Chris Cuomo saying just that.
Conservatives and others have to be peaceful, but BLM doesn't, racial justice warriors can commit violence.
And that's what dems all over the country did, they ignored, excused and defended the violence, they withdrew funds from the police as the riots and terrorism spread, they limited what police could do.
That makes the democratic party, as a whole, complicit in rioting and terrorism.

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d0rkyd00d wrote:
Gloominary wrote:I'm oppressed, therefore I get to burn down someone's small business, or loot it, or beat up the owner.
Wow, that's some oppression there.

Nobody is making that argument. You have enough strawmen to start a mail-order business for farmers.

Here in this thread, Pk excused the riots due to the injustice they represent which is based on the oppression of blacks through the systemic racism and police brutality presently existing throughout this country.
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d0rkyd00d wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Did thousands of innocent people deserve to have their neighborhoods burned to the ground, because oppression?
No, every neighborhood deserves to be protected, no matter what.
And where were democrats?
For about 7 months they were silent, they stood down, they let it happen, they defended the rioters.

In some cases they even aided, abetted and participated in the chaos.

Can you tell me how many "neighborhoods burned to the ground?"

How many cities (with multiple neighborhoods in each) had fiery riots? I’ll look into that on the site, populist.press, where they have catalogued every violent Democrat driven video. I’ll report back after.
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Americans might want to keep their emergency radios handy.
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WendyDarling wrote:
d0rkyd00d wrote:
Gloominary wrote:Did thousands of innocent people deserve to have their neighborhoods burned to the ground, because oppression?
No, every neighborhood deserves to be protected, no matter what.
And where were democrats?
For about 7 months they were silent, they stood down, they let it happen, they defended the rioters.

In some cases they even aided, abetted and participated in the chaos.

Can you tell me how many "neighborhoods burned to the ground?"

How many cities (with multiple neighborhoods in each) had fiery riots? I’ll look into that on the site, populist.press, where they have catalogued every violent Democrat driven video. I’ll report back after.

I believe the claim was that neighborhoods were "burned to the ground." I'd like evidence of a neighborhood that burned to the ground, not a riot involving a fire incident.
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On Wednesday January 6th 2021 an attempt was made to engineer a Putsch, or Fascist Coup.

It would appear to have failed, just as did Hitler's abortive coup 98 years prior.

The following individuals are, or so it seems to me, worthy of investigation to determine if they're guilty of a seditious conspiracy to install a Fascist Dictator in the role of POTUS. If so, they deserve punishment appropriate to their guilt, after a fair & impartial trial.

Donald Trump, Junior

Lauren Boebert born 12.15.1986

Ivanka Trump

Rudy Giuliani

Paul Gosar, born 11.27.1958

Andy Biggs, born 11.7.1958

Mo Brooks, born 4.29.1954

Ted Cruz

Josh Hawley

Capitol Police Chief, Steven A. Sund

Acting Sec. of Defense, Christopher Miller

Paul D. Irving

Michael C Stenger

US Army Capt. Emily Rainey

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d0rkyd00d wrote:
On Wednesday January 6th 2021 an attempt was made to engineer a Putsch, or Fascist Coup.

It would appear to have failed, just as did Hitler's abortive coup 98 years prior.

The following individuals are, or so it seems to me, worthy of investigation to determine if they're guilty of a seditious conspiracy to install a Fascist Dictator in the role of POTUS. If so, they deserve punishment appropriate to their guilt, after a fair & impartial trial.

Donald Trump, Junior

Lauren Boebert born 12.15.1986

Ivanka Trump

Rudy Giuliani

Paul Gosar, born 11.27.1958

Andy Biggs, born 11.7.1958

Mo Brooks, born 4.29.1954

Ted Cruz

Josh Hawley

Capitol Police Chief, Steven A. Sund

Acting Sec. of Defense, Christopher Miller

Paul D. Irving

Michael C Stenger

US Army Capt. Emily Rainey

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Yeah, another mistaken individual using the word coup.
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Ya' boring.
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In light of the recent rumors that there's going to be even bigger MAGA riots on inauguration day, I'm driving up to our nation's capital with my crossbow and nunchaku to defend our beloved president elect from the foul mouthed floor defecating horn headdress wearing puttin feet all up the desk window smashin security guard shooting redneck mob that wants to destroy this great nation!
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promethean75 wrote:In light of the recent rumors that there's going to be even bigger MAGA riots on inauguration day, I'm driving up to our nation's capital with my crossbow and nunchaku to defend our beloved president elect from the foul mouthed floor defecating horn headdress wearing puttin feet all up the desk window smashin security guard shooting redneck mob that wants to destroy this great nation!

U.S. military will make mincemeat out of these goons.
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promethean75 wrote:In light of the recent rumors that there's going to be even bigger MAGA riots on inauguration day, I'm driving up to our nation's capital with my crossbow and nunchaku to defend our beloved president elect from the foul mouthed floor defecating horn headdress wearing puttin feet all up the desk window smashin security guard shooting redneck mob that wants to destroy this great nation!

And afterwards all loyal neo-liberal and communist men will get a Chinese girlfriend once we start cozying up with China that is. [Just open the floodgates for Chinese immigration and capital investments inside the United States, right?]

Instead of rice in every bowl it will be a Chinese or Asian woman in every collaborator's bowl, am I right Promethean?

[Of course westerners forget how Asians are more racist and xenophobic than they are, going to learn that lesson very rough all over again I guess. Ah, well....] Going to be so many disappointed frail little egos once all of this is over and they find out the new boss isn't all that much better.

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### Re: the coup attempts aren't over

promethean75 wrote:In light of the recent rumors that there's going to be even bigger MAGA riots on inauguration day, I'm driving up to our nation's capital with my crossbow and nunchaku to defend our beloved president elect from the foul mouthed floor defecating horn headdress wearing puttin feet all up the desk window smashin security guard shooting redneck mob that wants to destroy this great nation!

you talking about this guy? its been reported that his mom is bitching that he wont eat in jail because they wont give him organic food.
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Grab the fucking popcorn folks....

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(THREAD) Over the past week, this feed has compiled over 250 major-media reports about the January 6 insurrection Trump incited. Evidence of a four-pronged seditious conspiracy has emerged. I summarize this evidence—all previously posted—here. I hope you will read on and RETWEET.
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1/ The main players in this thread (please note the recurrence of actors from Arizona and Alabama as well as the White House):

Trump
Giuliani
Rep. Biggs (R-AZ)
Rep. Gosar (R-AZ)
Rep. Brooks (R-AL)
Sen. Tuberville (R-AL)
Arizona Proud Boys
Alabama Attorney General Steve Marshall
2/ The picture I discuss here is an emerging picture. All individuals discussed in this thread are innocent until proven guilty. This thread is a compilation/curation of evidence already publicly reported by major-media—not an attempt to imply a final portrait has been developed.
3/ In addition to the men listed in Tweet #1, the following men are also relevant to this account:

▪️ Ali Alexander, far-right activist
▪️ Roger Stone, friend and advisor to the president
▪️ Paul Manafort, former Trump campaign manager
▪️ Donald Trump Jr., son of the president
4/ As I mentioned, all pieces of evidence discussed in this thread were previously posted (with links, images, and videos, as appropriate) on this feed within the last week. Scroll through my feed since January 6 (inclusive) if you wish to find any or all of this key information.
5/ The phrase "Stop the Steal" was developed by Trump friend and adviser Roger Stone, a convicted criminal and self-described "political dirty trickster" who Trump rewarded with a corrupt presidential pardon during the possible seditious conspiracy described in this thread.
6/ In addition to being an associate of the Proud Boys as well as Trump, Stone was implicated in the Russia scandal—including not just contact with Kremlin cutout WikiLeaks in 2016, but contact with Israeli officials pre-election to get political intel via Trump's Turkish allies.
7/ Stone is a longtime associate of former Trump campaign manager Manafort, who the Mueller Report found colluded with a known Russian intel agent and who was recently rewarded with a corrupt pardon by the president. Trump has told friends Manafort could hurt him if he "flipped."
8/ Ali Alexander, a far-right activist, has confessed that he organized a "Stop the Steal" rally for January 6 as part of a "scheme" to stop Biden's November 2020 election landslide from being certified in Congress. He identifies Biggs, Gosar, and Brooks as his co-conspirators.
9/ After being developed using Stone's tagline ("Stop the Steal"), Alexander's event quickly merged with a "Save America March" being orchestrated by several "dark money" pro-Trump groups. Alexander's event—with a new name—ended up being the event Trump appeared at on January 6.
10/ One of Alexander's co-conspirators, Brooks, spoke alongside Trump and Jr. at the rally associated with the Save America March. At the rally, Trump, Jr., and Brooks all incited insurrection—Brooks, who'd already promised to challenge Biden's electors, most stridently of all.
11/ The Save America March got its name from Trump's Save America PAC—which raised $300+ million post-election on the false claim the cash was for "election defense"; instead, it went to (besides the RNC) Trump and Giuliani—and was planned by a Manafort company, Event Strategies. 12/ So the rally Trump incited insurrection at: ▪️ Took its tagline from Roger Stone; ▪️ was planned by a company Stone's associate Manafort worked for; ▪️ was allegedly part of a plot hatched by Biggs, Gosar, and Brooks; ▪️ featured Brooks, Trump, and Jr. inciting insurrection. 13/ At the January 6 rally, Giuliani told the crowd that Trump desperately needed the January 6 election certification delayed—and not delayed for a few hours, but for *days*. He promised the gathered mob that that delay would lead to *conclusive proof* Trump had won in November. 14/ If indeed there was a seditious conspiracy on January 6, it involved Trump allies inside the Capitol on January 6 artificially delaying Biden's certification long enough for the mob incited by Trump and his allies outside the Capitol to shut down the joint session completely. 15/ The key figures inside the Capitol on January 6 were Trump allies Gosar and Biggs, whose job was to object to the certification of Arizona's electors—leading to two hours of useless debate in the House—and Brooks' Alabama peer Sen. Tuberville, who would support the objection. 16/ While Trump and Giuliani could be sure Gosar and Biggs would—with the aid of Tuberville—force the joint session into a 2-hour debate, less clear was how to ensure the "Save America March" disrupted the joint session as Ali Alexander (and Biggs, Gosar, and Brooks) had planned. 17/ The alleged conspirators needed militants outside the Capitol who'd "spark" an assault on the Capitol once enough of the mob incited by Trump at the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue had arrived at the Capitol. This is where the Proud Boys came to be of great utility to Trump. 18/ Trump had falsely said at a pre-election debate that he didn't know who the Proud Boys were; he did know, from his friendship with Stone, a major Proud Boys booster and mascot. That's why he told the group to "stand back and stand by"—which soon became the Boys' rallying cry. 19/ On December 12, the leader of the Proud Boys went to the White House, saying in advance of his trip (on social media) he had been "invited" there. Team Trump claimed that he had merely been on a Christmas tour of the White House. The truth of the matter still remains unknown. 20/ 7 days after the Proud Boy leader visited the White House by invitation, a Trump rally scheduled by a pro-Trump dark money group was moved to January 6. Within minutes, Trump was promoting it, saying that it'd be "wild." It had Proud Boy ally Stone's "tagline" attached to it. 21/ At the time a random Trump rally suddenly became the January 6 "march"—intended to coincidence with Congress' joint session—Trump was looking for a Representative to challenge electors during the session. He found Brooks, who then planned the January 6 rally with Alexander. 22/ At around this time, the Arizona GOP—with two of its most prominent leaders being apparent Alexander co-conspirators Gosar and Biggs—tweeted out one of the most bizarre/horrifying tweets of 2020: the party formally asked readers if they were willing to "die for" Donald Trump. 23/ Different states have different "Proud Boy" chapters. As Arizonans Gosar and Biggs were plotting with Trump a rally intended to lead to disruptive violence; and as the Arizona GOP the two men led was asking people to "die for" Trump; the Arizona Proud Boys became *important*. 24/ As noted, Trump and his allies needed a group of militants who'd be willing to spark the invasion of the Capitol. Trump ally Stone was close with the Proud Boys; the Proud Boys advocate using of violence; Trump had told them to "Stand by"; they'd adopted it as a rallying cry. 25/ An hour before the invasion began, a USCP officer now tells Buzzfeed News that he was unnerved by seeing a menacing social media message shown to him by a fellow officer. In the message, the Proud Boys use one of their usual online channels to promise to "breach the Capitol." 26/ According to the WSJ, the attack on the Capitol was launched when a group of men "in blaze orange hats" suddenly attacked a barricade. CNN later identified the use of "blaze orange hats" as connected to the Proud Boys, which the aforementioned Proud Boy leader angrily denied. 27/ Unfortunately for the Proud Boys, they decided to livestream their participation in the events of January 6. The early part of a 100-minute livestream shows Proud Boys in tactical gear with "blaze orange" arm bands and blaze orange strips of duct tape on at least one helmet. 28/ But the most damning moment in the livestream comes nearly an hour in, when the group of Proud Boys doing the filming encounters a group of their fellow Proud Boys on the street—all of whom are wearing blaze orange hats. The men identify themselves as the Arizona Proud Boys. 29/ This same group—the Arizona Proud Boys—was separately photographed and tweeted about by Will Sommer of THE DAILY BEAST. It's unknown why both the leader of the Proud Boys and its founder falsely claimed on Parler that no Proud Boys were wearing blaze orange hats on January 6. 30/ In order to ensure that the sizable mob from Trump's rally would have an open path to the Capitol, the way had to be opened just before Trump's speech ended. A recent NYT timeline includes a picture of the Arizona Proud Boys—in blaze orange hats—at the Capitol at 11:50AM ET. 31/ Trump's speech at the Ellipse was very, very well attended. One reason it was so well attended is that Brooks' and Tubervillle's peers in the Alabama GOP had apparently been just as busy as Biggs' and Gosar's peers in the Arizona GOP had been. And they had a key role to play. 32/ The Republican Attorneys General Association (RAGA)—run by the Alabama Attorney General—was secretly running "robocalls" urging people across the country to go to Trump's Save America March. The Alabama Attorney General now claims that he had no idea what his group was up to. 33/ But the two most important Alabama Republicans were—without question—Brooks and Tuberville. The Alabaman Brooks was the first House member to say he'd contest Biden's win, and the Alabaman Tuberville the first senator to say he'd do so. (You need one of each to make it work.) 34/ During a speech at a rally he'd set up with Alexander, Biggs, and Gosar—using Stone's tagline and Manafort's event-planning company—Brooks *explicitly* told the mob to go to the Capitol and "kick ass." His full speech is absolutely terrifying. It is seditious, and incitement. 35/ So Trump and Giuliani had the Arizona Proud Boys at the Capitol barricade at 12, and the Arizona Congressmen inside the Capitol with objections ready; they had Alabama's Mo Brooks inciting insurrection at the rally and Alabama's Tuberville aiding the Arizonans in the Capitol. 36/ The problem was timing. How to time the rally, the march, an invasion of the Capitol, and the objections during the joint session in such a way that each event began at ended—or as the case may be, was violently interrupted—at the right moment. In the end, the timing was off. 37/ We now know that both Giuliani *and* Trump desperately tried to call Alabama senator Tommy Tuberville during the joint session—in each case calling the wrong man by mistake. And Giuliani was stupid enough to leave a *voicemail message* on the phone of Utah senator Mike Lee. 38/ Giuliani, in inciting the crowd at the rally—he demanded "trial by combat!"—had promised them he had up to *five* states he and Team Trump could legitimately challenge. But when he called Tuberville, he said that Trump needed Tuberville to object to a *stunning* "ten" states. 39/ Trump likewise called Tuberville to try to get the joint session extended. Let's be clear: there was *no benefit* legally, politically, or constitutionally to Trump or Giuliani to getting the joint session extended by a few hours unless they believed the *mob* would aid them. 40/ In speaking to Tuberville Giuliani made little sense. Team Trump had never challenged "10" states before—and Giuliani saying that such challenges would give Team Trump time to get "more evidence" was nonsense, as the joint session was going to end on January 6 no matter what. 41/ In the event, the Capitol was breached with substantial assistance—per WSJ—of the men in "blaze orange hats." And of those who breached the Capitol, the ones in tactical gear appear to have been most interested in either (a) accessing the House chamber or (b) taking hostages. 42/ The quickest ways to make it impossible for the joint session to conclude on January 6 would've been 1) for the electoral ballots—which were on the House floor—to be destroyed/stolen; 2) for a member of Congress to be taken hostage—as it'd preclude a full vote on Biden's win. 43/ But a third possibility was simply chaos—chaos that lasted so long the Congress lost the will or the logistics to continue their work on January 6. Team Trump could then set about litigating and lobbying over when Congress would meet to finish its work certifying Biden's win. 44/ Top Trump adviser Peter Navarro had already told Fox News that Trump had the power to "move inauguration day" if events demanded it—as sufficient chaos on January 6 might have done. So evidence of Donald Trump's reaction to the insurrection on that date becomes critical, now. 45/ According to half a dozen major-media reports, Trump's reactions to the insurrection included being "pleased," "excited," "delighted," "borderline enthusiastic," and having no interest in doing anything but "watching the show." He "repeatedly" refused to call out the Guard. 46/ Ali Alexander articulates the plan he and Trump allies Biggs, Gosar and Brooks had in *identical* terms: he wanted the action outside the Capitol to directly and viscerally influence what was happening inside the Capitol, which is clearly what Trump wanted as events unfolded. 47/ The connections—and mutual interests—of the Proud Boys, RAGA, Tuberville, Brooks, Biggs, Gosar, Alexander, Giuliani, Trump, and Don Jr. (whose January 6 speech was the second-most inciting after Brooks') seem to be inarguable. The primary question is what contacts there were. 48/ An investigation must look to any key post-election contacts within Arizona (between Biggs, Gosar, the Arizona Proud Boys, the Arizona GOP and Alexander) and Alabama (Brooks, Tuberville and RAGA) and then if these entities communicated with the White House *or* with Giuliani. 49/ What is inarguable is that all of these men and entities—including Stone and Manafort—present a mass of interconnections, but an identical goal: using an "inside/outside" conspiracy (politicians in the Capitol, inciters outside it) to ensure Biden's win couldn't be certified. 50/ If sufficient additional evidence is developed—see my caveat atop this thread—the picture of a seditious conspiracy begins to emerge. And of course I haven't focused on the Pentagon, USCP or Guard piece much, except to note Trump wanted the end to the siege delayed maximally. CONCLUSION/ The Trumps and Giuliani are undoubtedly capable of an anti-democratic plot—they did the same with Russia, Ukraine, China, and Trump's Middle East allies. Brooks is a maniac, and Gosar, Biggs, and Tuberville lack principles. So we'll see what the evidence reveals. /end PS/ Please consider retweeting the first tweet in this thread (my pinned tweet), if you haven't done so already. Many journalists and politicians follow this feed—thousands, in total—but I'd love for this picture of the current state of the evidence to reach even more folks ASAP. (UPDATE) Apropos of this thread, Maddow notes that the DC U.S. Attorney says he's using *public corruption* prosecutors—among others—to pursue "seditious conspiracy" charges. This seems to suggest public officials are being criminally investigated. Perhaps ones I mentioned here. • • • Missing some Tweet in this thread? 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GOP VOTES FOR IMPEACHMENT: 1 GOP VOTES FOR IMPEACHMENT: 2 GOP VOTES FOR IMPEACHMENT: 3 Seth Abramson Profile picture Seth Abramson @SethAbramson 18h I wonder if any Republicans understand that an impeachment is the equivalent of an indictment—which is returned by a grand jury without due process for the defendant. Due process comes into this equation at the trial phase. Yet these Republicans speak of due process being denied. The defendant is not present at a grand jury proceeding. His or her attorney is not present. There is no cross-examination. There is no obligation for the prosecutor to present the defendant's case to the grand jury. The standard is probable cause, not beyond a reasonable doubt. It's almost like the Republican Party has been demagoguing on the subject of criminal justice for the last 60 years purely as a dog whistle to white supremacists, rather than because they have any understanding whatsoever of how criminal justice is practiced in the United States. Seth Abramson Profile picture Seth Abramson @SethAbramson 21h It can't be emphasized enough that the chief suspect in the January 6 insurrection, Ali Alexander—who has confessed to a seditious conspiracy with top Trump allies Andy Biggs, Paul Gosar, and Mo Brooks—is currently on the run, and being funded through donations from seditionists. In order to establish that Trump, Giuliani and their agents planned/coordinated the January 6 insurrection, all that's needed is to establish that Trump was in contact with his top allies about a plan for January 6 before the day. That's it—that's how close the evidence has come. We already know Ali Alexander has met with Trump; we know he claims to have "private" info about Trump's calls to people in Arizona; we know Trump was trying to overturn the Arizona vote via direct intervention. The chance he didn't plot with his Arizona allies is virtually zero. Seth Abramson Profile picture Seth Abramson @SethAbramson 13 Jan The new right-wing canard is Trump couldn't have incited because the breach happened before his speech was done. Three problems off the bat: 1) People left his speech early; 2) his agents seem to have known about the first wave; 3) inciting the second wave would still be a crime. The same major-media sources some Trumpists are using for their timeline confirms that many people left Trump's speech early. But remember too that the whole event was a Team Trump joint, and the inciting speeches before his had plenty of time to send rally-goers to the Capitol. Moreover, Donald Trump and his agents incited every single day leading up to January 6—even as they advertised the rally. So the fact that some of those incited by Trump (most notably, the Proud Boys) went *right to the Capitol* means nothing at all on the question of incitement. Seth Abramson Profile picture Seth Abramson @SethAbramson 12 Jan BREAKING: Video surfaces of a man who's a seeming face/dress match for the insurrectionist who beat a fallen Capitol officer using a U.S. flag as a weapon. "Death is the only remedy for what's in that building...everybody in there is a treasonous traitor." (PHOTO) Here's a photo of what appears to be the insurrectionist in question, now (it seems) wearing the jacket he is holding in his left arm in the video above: Image (PS) As you can see, not only do the face and jacket match, but also the red undershirt. Seth Abramson Profile picture Seth Abramson @SethAbramson 12 Jan (1 of 2) Paul Manafort—a longtime associate of Howard Liebengood Sr.—is an exec at Event Strategies, which planned the 1/6 rally that ended with a breach of security at the Capitol, where Howard Liebengood Jr. worked security (USCP). 2 days later Liebengood Jr. committed suicide. (2 of 2) I believe this is a coincidence. That said, because I don't think Manafort aiding and abetting a rally that ended in insurrection is coincidence, I have to assume that—out of an abundance of caution—law enforcement will investigate any possible Manafort-Liebengood link. (PS) It is vital that no one presume connections where there may be none. My point is that as a criminal investigative matter, Manafort will be investigated for any role he had in the Save America March, and Liebengood's suicide would naturally be investigated due to its context. Did Thread Reader help you today? Support us! We are indie developers! This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story. Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features! Too expensive? Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost (\$10)

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### Re: the coup attempts aren't over

obsrvr524 wrote:Americans might want to keep their emergency radios handy.

lol bro u have got to go to misinformation rehab or something. get the fuck off those weird conspiracy sites and come back to reality. im sure your family misses you.
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It's kind of a self fulfilling prophecy, isn't it?

"We're going to Civil War over the election results!"

60 days later:

"See, told you there would be violence and uprising!"
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### Re: the coup attempts aren't over

promethean75 wrote:In light of the recent rumors that there's going to be even bigger MAGA riots on inauguration day, I'm driving up to our nation's capital with my crossbow and nunchaku to defend our beloved president elect from the foul mouthed floor defecating horn headdress wearing puttin feet all up the desk window smashin security guard shooting redneck mob that wants to destroy this great nation!

there are 6k national guard troops already there, and there is authorization for up to 20k of them. theyre sleeping in the capitol rotunda on the floor all over the place.
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Actually, 20,000 national guard troops may not be enough if Joker, Obsrvr and urwrong show up.
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iambiguous wrote:Actually, 20,000 national guard troops may not be enough if Joker, Obsrvr and urwrong show up.

this is funny but i still dont like you
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Mr Reasonable wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Actually, 20,000 national guard troops may not be enough if Joker, Obsrvr and urwrong show up.

this is funny but i still dont like you

Believe it or not, Joker, obsrvr and urwrongx don't like me either. Only, unlike you, they don't deserve to know why.

Not that you'll ever admit it.
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