Gloominary wrote:You don't get to burn, loot and murder, takeover federal property, government buildings and neighborhoods just because you think you're fighting for a just cause PK, that's not how it works.
There's two standards in the US, and probably Canada too, one for the far left, and one for the right.
Your double standard has been exposed for all the world to see, and conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians and moderates have every right to be up in arms over it.
Peter Kropotkin wrote:Gloominary wrote:You don't get to burn, loot and murder, takeover federal property, government buildings and neighborhoods just because you think you're fighting for a just cause PK, that's not how it works.
There's two standards in the US, and probably Canada too, one for the far left, and one for the right.
Your double standard has been exposed for all the world to see, and conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians and moderates have every right to be up in arms over it.
K: perhaps you missed the part where the right tried to take over the government..
you know, insurrection... sedition....crimes against the entire nation......
your very selective interpretation of the violence is one of the reasons why
your point is simply wrong...
Kropotkin
Gloominary wrote:Peter Kropotkin wrote:Gloominary wrote:You don't get to burn, loot and murder, takeover federal property, government buildings and neighborhoods just because you think you're fighting for a just cause PK, that's not how it works.
There's two standards in the US, and probably Canada too, one for the far left, and one for the right.
Your double standard has been exposed for all the world to see, and conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians and moderates have every right to be up in arms over it.
K: perhaps you missed the part where the right tried to take over the government..
you know, insurrection... sedition....crimes against the entire nation......
your very selective interpretation of the violence is one of the reasons why
your point is simply wrong...
Kropotkin
That wasn't the right, that was a small group of protestors, who broke off from the main group, DJT then sent the national guard after.
Some of them paid for what they did with their lives.
Antifa/BLM doesn't pay.
Gloominary wrote:You don't get to burn, loot and murder, takeover federal property, government buildings and neighborhoods just because you think you're fighting for a just cause PK, that's not how it works.
There's two standards in the US, and probably Canada too, one for the far left, and one for the right.
Your double standard has been exposed for all the world to see, and conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians and moderates have every right to be up in arms over it.
Gloominary wrote:Yes, it was a small group, the overwhelming majority of protestors, hundreds of thousands remained completely peaceful, only dozens or perhaps hundreds stormed the building.
So I'm not allowed to separate Trump from the GOP, but you're separating Trump from Pence?
If Pence sent the national guard, that means Trump sent the national guard.
Hours after what started?
The thing was totally peaceful for hours.
Gloominary wrote:Yes, it was a small group, the overwhelming majority of protestors, hundreds of thousands remained completely peaceful, only dozens or perhaps hundreds stormed the building.
So I'm not allowed to separate Trump from the GOP, but you're separating Trump from Pence?
If Pence sent the national guard, that means Trump sent the national guard.
Hours after what started?
The thing was totally peaceful for hours.
Gloominary wrote:You don't get to burn, loot and murder, takeover federal property, government buildings and neighborhoods just because you think you're fighting for a just cause PK, that's not how it works.
There's two standards in the US, and probably Canada too, one for the far left, and one for the right.
Your double standard has been exposed for all the world to see, and conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians and moderates have every right to be up in arms over it.
d0rkyd00d wrote:Gloominary wrote:You don't get to burn, loot and murder, takeover federal property, government buildings and neighborhoods just because you think you're fighting for a just cause PK, that's not how it works.
There's two standards in the US, and probably Canada too, one for the far left, and one for the right.
Your double standard has been exposed for all the world to see, and conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians and moderates have every right to be up in arms over it.
Goals and intentions matter. If you consider this, you will find the distinction.
Gloominary wrote:d0rkyd00d wrote:Gloominary wrote:You don't get to burn, loot and murder, takeover federal property, government buildings and neighborhoods just because you think you're fighting for a just cause PK, that's not how it works.
There's two standards in the US, and probably Canada too, one for the far left, and one for the right.
Your double standard has been exposed for all the world to see, and conservatives, constitutionalists, libertarians and moderates have every right to be up in arms over it.
Goals and intentions matter. If you consider this, you will find the distinction.
So for you, right makes might, the ends justify the means, the Antifa/BLM riots were justified.
Noted
K: once again, rewriting history... you said a "small group of protesters"
and now you admit to "hundreds of thousands"....
Pence did send in the national guard because IQ45 wouldn't...
remember, Pence was in the building the whole time, he had
motivation to get the national guard there...whereas IQ45 couldn't have
cared less...and didn't....
Peaceful for hours? oh, is that the defense for the violence and deaths
that followed? the time that lapsed before a violent attack is completely
irrelevant....
see officer, we didn't kill that man for hours, before we did...
so you see we are innocent because we didn't kill him for hours.....
so it was an entirely peaceful event.. because we didn't kill him for hours
......before we did...
Kropotkin
d0rkyd00d wrote:This is a straw man, I made none of those claims.
Gloominary wrote:d0rkyd00d wrote:This is a straw man, I made none of those claims.
I think you're being disingenuous here.
You're backpedaling.
Goals and intentions matter. If you consider this, you will find the distinction.
d0rkyd00d wrote:Gloominary wrote:d0rkyd00d wrote:This is a straw man, I made none of those claims.
I think you're being disingenuous here.
You're backpedaling.
Nothing to think about here. Just look at what I said.Goals and intentions matter. If you consider this, you will find the distinction.
None of the positive claims you responded with were made.
What you said, in relation to what I said, speaks for itself.
For you, the ends justify the means.
d0rkyd00d wrote:What you said, in relation to what I said, speaks for itself.
For you, the ends justify the means.
Nope, simply drawing a distinction between the events surrounding BLM protests vs. the events on January 6th. There's no moral equivalence.
Gloominary wrote:d0rkyd00d wrote:What you said, in relation to what I said, speaks for itself.
For you, the ends justify the means.
Nope, simply drawing a distinction between the events surrounding BLM protests vs. the events on January 6th. There's no moral equivalence.
For you, Antifa/BLM's goals and intentions were good, therefore its means, including riots, are justified.
d0rkyd00d wrote:And no, I don't believe the ends justify the means (as a truism).
Gloominary wrote:K: once again, rewriting history... you said a "small group of protesters"
and now you admit to "hundreds of thousands"....
Hundreds of thousands of them were entirely peaceful, hundreds of them weren't entirely peaceful.Pence did send in the national guard because IQ45 wouldn't...
remember, Pence was in the building the whole time, he had
motivation to get the national guard there...whereas IQ45 couldn't have
cared less...and didn't....
You said you can't separate Trump from the GOP, Pence is a member of the GOP.Peaceful for hours? oh, is that the defense for the violence and deaths
that followed? the time that lapsed before a violent attack is completely
irrelevant....
see officer, we didn't kill that man for hours, before we did...
so you see we are innocent because we didn't kill him for hours.....
so it was an entirely peaceful event.. because we didn't kill him for hours
......before we did...
Kropotkin
The protest was overwhelmingly peaceful.
There were a few agitators, but most of them were mischievous, not dangerous.
I can't condone murder, the Trump supporter who bashed the police officers head in with a fire extinguisher deserves to be behind bars.
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