the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

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the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:11 pm

once again, reading Safranski, "Martin Heidegger"

I have finished the two key chapters, 13 and 14..
13 titled "The national socialist revolution and the
collective breakout from the cave"
and 14 titled "Is Heidegger Anti-Semitic?"

and once again, I am astonished by the similarities between
Nazi Germany circa, 1932 and America 2020.....

the first similarity is the current fixation upon work, IQ45 ongoing
demand to "Open up the economy" as if that is some cure to what ails
us.. but the fact is, the Right has always held a special place for work,
not for the workers.. for they are expendable but for the concept of work....

and the Nazi's glorification of work... as shown by their slogan:

"Arbiten macht frei" "Work shall set you free"

neither the Nazi's nor the GOP have any use for, of need the "intellectual's"
as defined by universities or professors....in fact, both frown upon and dismiss
intellectual endeavor's as being "useless" and "dangerous" this is the second
similarity from the Nazi's and the GOP.....a real hatred of intellect and intellectuals...

the third similarity is the focus, fixation upon national identity and nation....

both parties, Nazi's and GOP, claim to put nation first and all must,
and this is an important point, all must engage with putting nation
and as the party is the nation, party first too....

the nation can do no wrong as the party can do no wrong....

the fourth similarity is the belief that the leader, in Germany case,
Hitler and in America, IQ45, are indeed the sole arbiter of what is
right, wrong and the past, present and future of the nation.....

or to say in religious terms, the belief that the leader, the Fuhrer,
be it Hitler or IQ45, is the messiah... come to earth to free us....

to listen to the followers of both, they speak of both Fuhrer's in
religious terms... in religious context...both can walk on water according to
their followers.....

the fifth similarity is their utter belief that everyone outside of
Fuhrer is expendable to the glory and greatness of the state,
be it Germany or America....we are not only expected to
sacrifice ourselves on the alter of the greatness of both the
messiah's and the greatness of their respective countries....
but we are expected to be happy and willing participants to
that sacrifice of ourselves for the greater glory of the state....

recall that Republicans called for the elderly to "sacrifice" themselves
to benefit the economic recovery of the nation...

and that is no different then what the Nazi's called for... a sacrificed
of oneself for the betterment of the nation.....

in reading the history of Nazi Germany, one cannot help but
see many similarities between the demands of Nazi Germany and what the
messiah IQ45 demands...............

I see no outstanding difference between Nazism and Trumpism...
just minor details..... but the goal is the same and outcome will
be the same.... for Nazism and Trumpism is an exercise in
the lower values of human existence... hate, lust, anger, greed,
violence, prejudice, intolerance....

I cannot tell the difference between the two...

can you?

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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby obsrvr524 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:18 pm

In keeping with your MO, you freely spew the hypocritical opposite of the truth.

The thief accusing the owner of stealing in his effort to slip away during the confusion.
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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:29 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:In keeping with your MO, you freely spew the hypocritical opposite of the truth.

The thief accusing the owner of stealing in his effort to slip away during the confusion.



K: once again, I can't tell the difference, can you?

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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby obsrvr524 » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:44 pm

Don't they call that a "strawman"?
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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:47 pm

another similarity is the fixation of both upon the
"they" .. "they are enemy of the state" who said that?
did Nazi's Germans say that or did Trumpism?

you can't tell, can you.....

or perhaps this little gem.... you hate, (America or is it Germany)
I can't tell.. can you?

the accused and Nazism/ Trumpism is always about accusing someone of
something.. usually hating their nation.. quite often hating their "kind"..
or perhaps hating "themselves" as "Jews always hate themselves"
or we can replace it with the modern version, "Liberals always hate themselves"

both Nazism and Trumpism is about racism and intolerance and bigotry..

in fact, given what we know about both, can you tell the difference?

I sure can't....

and both messiahs are always going on about Immigrants...to keeping the racial purity
of the country.... to keep the country pure for "the real Germans/Americans"

as one explores the two, Nazism and Trumpism, the more it is clear that
they are one and the same... they are just different nations, but
born of the same mother...hatred, bigotry, intolerance, prejudice.....

one and the same.. with the name of the messiah just being different...
and to make one more note, Trump's family fled Germany.....
his grandfather became an American citizen in 1892.... fleeing
Bavaria in Germany......

I can't tell the difference, can you?

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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 11, 2020 8:48 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:Don't they call that a "strawman"?


K: please feel free to show me the difference between the two?

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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Gloominary » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:01 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:another similarity is the fixation of both upon the
"they"

You mean like how many on the left are fixated on straight white men and gun-toting Christians? #-o
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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:15 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:another similarity is the fixation of both upon the
"they"

You mean like how many on the left are fixated on straight white men and gun-toting Christians? #-o



K: and the basis of this false belief is? I have never said a word about either and I am
"Mr. Liberal", In fact, I would have thought you would have brought up "our fixation
with blacks and minorities" which isn't true either..

but hay, at least you are consistently wrong...

I like the consistency of that.......

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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 11, 2020 9:35 pm

another point of similarity between Nazism and Trumpism is
the fixation upon "Purity".....

having "Purity" of soul, "Purity" of politics, "Purity" of spirit...
these things matter to the Nazi/GOP party....

the fact is and is acknowledge by the GOP that Ronald Raygun isn't
"pure" enough to be in todays' republican party.... he would have
been rejected by today's right wing's fanatics as being impure because
he "comprised" in matters of the political...

One cannot be "pure" and still hold to compromise... if one does
compromise, then you are deemed to be "impure".....

and to be clear, compromise is considered to be a "four" letter
word in conservative politics....

only liberals compromise...and are to be hated for it....

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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 11, 2020 10:33 pm

I am weary of too much resemblance, lest we all go down with him at the end.......
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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:29 pm

I am sure the Nazis of old are approving of the energy and intensity
that the new batch of Nazi's, named Republican's today, are trying to bring
about the new/old Nazism called Trumpism/Nazism.....that is another thing
the new Nazi's and the old Nazi's have in common... the need to bring about
another dictatorship with Nazi's principles in place....bigotry, hatred of immigrants,
hatred of intellectuals and intellectualism, hatred of anyone "different".... tell me
again the difference between the Nazi's of the 30's and the Nazi's of today?

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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Meno_ » Wed Nov 11, 2020 11:58 pm

Peter Kropotkin wrote:I am sure the Nazis of old are approving of the energy and intensity
that the new batch of Nazi's, named Republican's today, are trying to bring
about the new/old Nazism called Trumpism/Nazism.....that is another thing
the new Nazi's and the old Nazi's have in common... the need to bring about
another dictatorship with Nazi's principles in place....bigotry, hatred of immigrants,
hatred of intellectuals and intellectualism, hatred of anyone "different".... tell me
again the difference between the Nazi's of the 30's and the Nazi's of today?

Kropotkin



Yes, but You didn't touch on the above mentioned fear of sacrificyng the entire social network for the sake of exerting the individual will, as Hitler bitterly destroyed his entire nation . Do You think, this similarity may need tk remind folks out there to remember their history, lest they learn the whole thing again.?
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Re: the difference between Trumpism and Nazism....

Postby Gloominary » Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:35 am

Peter Kropotkin wrote:
Gloominary wrote:
Peter Kropotkin wrote:another similarity is the fixation of both upon the
"they"

You mean like how many on the left are fixated on straight white men and gun-toting Christians? #-o



K: and the basis of this false belief is? I have never said a word about either and I am
"Mr. Liberal", In fact, I would have thought you would have brought up "our fixation
with blacks and minorities" which isn't true either..

but hay, at least you are consistently wrong...

I like the consistency of that.......

Kropotkin

You should worry about your own party's fixation on race and sex before you worry about republicans.
Trump is focused, not fixated, on citizenship, not race and gender.
Right off the bat, Biden's cabinet must be racially and sexually diverse, or there'll be hell to pay.
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