## Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk

Discussion of the recent unfolding of history.

### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk

obsrvr524 wrote:
iambiguous wrote:On this thread, I have only been bringing to the attention of others various news reports on the "scandal". From the folks who are actually involved more directly in these interactions; and regarding the facts that they allege are true.

That is not true.

You treat Left-wing reporting of rumors as facts. I suspect that you can't tell the difference.

Bullshit. Over and again, I've noted that it wouldn't surprise me if the allegations are true because both Democrats/liberals and Republicans/conservatives are deeply enmeshed in my own rendition of the "deep state" crony capitalism swamp: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... m#p2187045

obsrvr524 wrote: [*] An eyewitness public testimony is very greatly different than a reporter saying that an anonymous source said something.

[*] An actual laptop with stored emails is very greatly different than a reporter saying that an anonymous source said something.

[*] A signed receipt is greatly different than a reporter saying that an anonymous source said something.

[*] A lack of direct denial from the accused is greatly different than a reporter saying that an anonymous source said something.

[*] Corroborating witnesses to the content of the emails are greatly different than a reporter saying that an anonymous source said something.

Once again, only your own rendition of the facts here count. And, as PK notes, when do we actually get to see what is on that laptop? When do we get an explanation from the Trumpsters as to why Hunter Biden would do what he did with the laptop? The whole story strikes many as completely bizarre.

iambiguous wrote: or, instead, contend in an all out brawl in which the whole point is to humiliate the other. I can go either way here.

obsrvr524 wrote: It seems to me that is what you have been aiming at since I saw your first post - "you disagree with anything that doesn't fit the narrative that is in YOUR moral objectivist head" - no matter what the subject was. Around here they seem to call that "being a dick".

Then demonstrate this to others in an all out brawl with me in rant. A new thread. Sure, I wouldn't be honest if I didn't admit that making a fool out of you is something that I would find entertaining. After all, that's what I do with the objectivists here who seem to take pleasure in making a fool out of me.
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### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk

Don't take it personal iam. You're just a very rude guy.

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Pedro I Rengel wrote:Don't take it personal iam. You're just a very rude guy.

Come on, in dealing with the particularly rabid objectivists Kids here, I'm not nearly rude enough.

Besides, given my own political prejudices, it's like being rude to Nazis.
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### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk

iambiguous wrote:Besides, given my own political prejudices,

I thank you in true honesty for admitting that.

But, concerning the rest of what you said, you can hardly say that you only try to make a fool out of people that try to make a fool out of you, when you are coming out of the gate with the intention to humiliate.

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### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Besides, given my own political prejudices,

I thank you in true honesty for admitting that.

But, concerning the rest of what you said, you can hardly say that you only try to make a fool out of people that try to make a fool out of you, when you are coming out of the gate with the intention to humiliate.

Over the years, I have had any number of exchanges with any number of people here that were both respectful and civil.

And anytime anyone would prefer that, they can just let me know. It won't be me who starts in on huffing and puffing.

But, again, I suspect it's less the way I make my points than the actual points themselves. Especially for the objectivists here.

This part:

1] I argue that while philosophers may go in search of wisdom, this wisdom is always truncated by the gap between what philosophers think they know [about anything] and all that there is to be known in order to grasp the human condition in the context of existence itself. That bothers some. When it really begins to sink in that this quest is ultimately futile, some abandon philosophy altogether. Instead, they stick to the part where they concentrate fully on living their lives "for all practical purposes" from day to day.

2] I suggest in turn it appears reasonable that, in a world sans God, the human brain is but more matter wholly in sync [as a part of nature] with the laws of matter. And, thus, anything we think, feel, say or do is always only that which we were ever able to think, feel, say and do. And that includes philosophers. Some will inevitably find that disturbing. If they can't know for certain that they possess autonomy, they can't know for certain that their philosophical excursions are in fact of their own volition.

3] And then the part where, assuming some measure of autonomy, I suggest that "I" in the is/ought world is basically an existential contraption interacting with other existential contraptions in a world teeming with conflicting goods --- and in contexts in which wealth and power prevails in the political arena. The part where "I" becomes fractured and fragmented.

Not many folks want to believe that this is applicable to them. They simply have too much invested psychologically in the "real me" in sync with the "right thing to do".
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### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk

iambiguous wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Don't take it personal iam. You're just a very rude guy.

Come on, in dealing with the particularly rabid objectivists Kids here, I'm not nearly rude enough.

Besides, given my own political prejudices, it's like being rude to Nazis.

But you admitted, here, that it is you that starts with the huffing and puffing.

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Pedro I Rengel wrote:
iambiguous wrote:
Pedro I Rengel wrote:Don't take it personal iam. You're just a very rude guy.

Come on, in dealing with the particularly rabid objectivists Kids here, I'm not nearly rude enough.

Besides, given my own political prejudices, it's like being rude to Nazis.

But you admitted, here, that it is you that starts with the huffing and puffing.

It's a judgment call. We all make them in in our exchanges with others here. But the really, really neat thing about ILP is that no one is actually obligated to read [let alone respond] to those who rub them the wrong way.
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### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk

No, sure, I'm not saying that. But you were alleging that you are only rude to those that are rude to you. When you have admitted that that isn't true. Just now, in your last post, you reiterated it again.

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Pedro I Rengel wrote:No, sure, I'm not saying that. But you were alleging that you are only rude to those that are rude to you. When you have admitted that that isn't true. Just now, in your last post, you reiterated it again.

Well, I suppose someone would have to examine the thousands of posts that I have contributed to all those threads and, after defining the meaning of "rude", and assessing the intention of all parties, coming to a more "objective" conclusion.

Anyone here willing to go there?
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Peter Kropotkin wrote:it seems that tony bobilnsky was just hit with
a huge tax bill over $500,000 and then suddenly, he became very talkative about his supposed connection with the Biden's.....inquiring minds are wondering. Kropotkin Wow, PK, you are admitting to culpability and guilt?! Things must be bad for the DNC and CCP, are you finally admitting how weak your position is?? Urwrongx1000 Philosopher Posts: 4383 Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:10 pm ### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk iambiguous wrote:Come on, in dealing with the particularly rabid objectivists Kids here, I'm not nearly rude enough. Besides, given my own political prejudices, it's like being rude to Nazis. Is it the "Nazis" who are burning innocent people's businesses, terrorizing people on the streets, and committing political murders without cause? It's an evil irony that the Liberal-Left cannot see that they/you have become the 'fascists' that you claim to hate. You are the Nazi, lamb. Urwrongx1000 Philosopher Posts: 4383 Joined: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:10 pm ### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk Urwrongx1000 wrote: iambiguous wrote:Come on, in dealing with the particularly rabid objectivists Kids here, I'm not nearly rude enough. Besides, given my own political prejudices, it's like being rude to Nazis. Is it the "Nazis" who are burning innocent people's businesses, terrorizing people on the streets, and committing political murders without cause? It's an evil irony that the Liberal-Left cannot see that they/you have become the 'fascists' that you claim to hate. You are the Nazi, lamb. Again, pick one: He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529 Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296 And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382 iambiguous ILP Legend Posts: 39778 Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:03 pm Location: baltimore maryland ### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk Urwrongx1000 wrote: Peter Kropotkin wrote:it seems that tony bobilnsky was just hit with a huge tax bill over$500,000 and then suddenly, he
became very talkative about his supposed connection
with the Biden's.....inquiring minds are wondering.

Kropotkin

Wow, PK, you are admitting to culpability and guilt?!

Things must be bad for the DNC and CCP, are you finally admitting how weak your position is??

K: notice what I wrote... suddenly Boblinsky? saw the light after getting a massive tax bill...
which means he is attempting to avoid prison or jail time by trying to get someone to
pay off his bill and that someone... the RNC... you have to make the connections......

he said nothing about his alleged connection to Biden until, until the tax bill came due....

come on man, make the connection... you can do it.....it isn't that hard.....

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So what's with Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden saying "I have an even better voter fraud organization than we had with Obama"?

With someone as brain damaged as he is it is hard to know whether he just forgot that he wasn't supposed to say that out loud or that he actually meant "anti-voter fraud". I am a little more inclined to think the former.

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### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk

Note to Rudy and Steve:

One week to go! If you've got the goods on Sleepy Joe, you have 7 days to get it out there.
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iambiguous wrote:Note to Rudy and Steve:

One week to go! If you've got the goods on Sleepy Joe, you have 7 days to get it out there.

K: ummmm, given over 68 million have already voted.. not really....if the number are true,
then the last election had roughly, roughly 130 million voters and we have already
have over half that number, already having voted...this election is kinda already
baked in...

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iambiguous wrote:Note to Rudy and Steve:

One week to go! If you've got the goods on Sleepy Joe, you have 7 days to get it out there.

Against a very obvious propaganda media blackout censorship of the subject - about as anti-democrat, deeply socialist/communist as they can get (Hitler would have been proud).
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obsrvr524 wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Note to Rudy and Steve:

One week to go! If you've got the goods on Sleepy Joe, you have 7 days to get it out there.

Against a very obvious propaganda media blackout censorship of the subject - about as anti-democrat, deeply socialist/communist as they can get (Hitler would have been proud).

Come on. If Steve or Rudy had actual rock solid evidence -- smoking guns! -- that clearly, indisputably link Joe Biden to some kind of major scandal [his son or otherwise], I don't believe the MSM would be able to ignore it.

So, what rock solid evidence have they presented?

Oh, and I'm still curious as to why you think that Hunter Biden would do what he did in that Delaware computer repair shop. How do you make sense of it?
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How tangled is this web?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/27/opin ... e=Homepage

This is basically a conservative's take on it. Somewhere between the New York Post and the New York Times.

What I focus on is in noting how both Democrats and Republicans high up in the parties play the crony capitalist "show me the money" game.

'In fact, it’s not a distraction to have new insight into a potential First Son’s business dealings — especially given that the saga of the younger Biden is a prime example in how a milder-than-Trump form of corruption pervaded the American elite long before Trump came along, with important people and their families constantly finding ways to get rich in the shadow of the Pax Americana without ever taking anything so crass as a bribe.'
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### Re: Bidens Blackmailed by CCP, National Security Risk

little lamb, how are you so old, yet so naive at the same time?

You're like a child in my eyes, yet twice my age.

MSM threw a hail-mary pass, hoping that Biden will win the election, so they can spike the story. But since Biden will lose, they will have no choice but to release the story on the main outlets. Because Trump will purge the Deep State swamp, and also lawsuits will be filed against MSM and social media monopolies. The lawsuits are already filed, they're just waiting on Trump's win to push through the courts.

Seeing how Trump appointed countless Federal Judges and Two Supreme Court Justices... you can guess what's going to happen next.
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Urwrongx1000 wrote:little lamb, how are you so old, yet so naive at the same time?

You're like a child in my eyes, yet twice my age.

MSM threw a hail-mary pass, hoping that Biden will win the election, so they can spike the story. But since Biden will lose, they will have no choice but to release the story on the main outlets. Because Trump will purge the Deep State swamp, and also lawsuits will be filed against MSM and social media monopolies. The lawsuits are already filed, they're just waiting on Trump's win to push through the courts.

Seeing how Trump appointed countless Federal Judges and Two Supreme Court Justices... you can guess what's going to happen next.

Pick two this time:

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Tucker's interview with Bobulinski

A longer, more detailed video for those few interested in the actual facts -

Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden selling his future Presidential influence.

If Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden wins, Mr Bobulinski is probably going to have an accident.
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BY JEFFERY MARTIN Newsweek

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-was- ... ki-1542687

'In an interview with Tucker Carlson on Fox News Tuesday night, Hunter Biden's former business partner Tony Bobulinski said that Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden did not want tighter controls placed around a holding company that did business with the Chinese government.

Bobulinski has claimed to have information linking the Biden family to shady business deals in China. When some documentation was published by the New York Post in October which purported to provide evidence, many claimed the story was based on uncorroborated sources. Bobulinski said in a Thursday press conference that he had documentation and electronic devices that would implicate the Bidens.'

Okay, let's see what this documentation and these electronic devices tell us.

Me, I'm not one to argue that the Biden family is necessarily innocent here. In the crony capitalist swamp that is the Wall Street, K Street nexus, both Democrats and Republicans in Washington are capable of becoming involved in shady deals. And that's before we get to the "deals" that are perfectly legal.

But where is the hard evidence pertaining to the Bidens such that no one can doubt that what unfolded implicates them in these particular transactions "behind the curtains".

Not what he says happened but what he can prove happened.

'Pseudonyms for major players in the business were allegedly used in the emails including the word "chairman," which Bobulinski claims is how Hunter Biden referred to Joe Biden. Bobulinski said he had asked for tighter financial controls to be placed around Oneida Holdings, a company set up to handle dealings between the Bidens and Chinese energy company CEFC. According to Bobulinski, Hunter Biden replied by saying that his "chairman gave an emphatic no."'

Let's see the emails. And let it be shown how the facts behind them substantiate the accusations being made.

'"What Hunter [Biden] is referencing there is he spoke with his father," Bobulinski told Carlson, "and his father is giving an emphatic no to the ask that I had, which was putting proper governance in place around Oneida Holdings."'

'"That is not me writing that," Bobulinski continued. "That is not me writing that. That is Hunter Biden writing on his own phone that 'I spoke with my chairman,' referencing his father."

'Joe Biden denied the allegations of accepting payments from a foreign entity during the final presidential debate in October. "I have not taken a penny from any foreign source at any point in my life," Biden said, adding that Hunter Biden had "made no money from China."

Now, if he has taken a penny [or substantially more] from a foreign source at any point in his life, where is the hard evidence, the documentation, the smoking gun?
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As I said, the eyewitness testimony (one of the only things that count) is in the video above your tabloid gossip post.

Mr Adam Schiff once again proven a liar.
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