We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:04 pm

Real science can't tell you what you ought to do, it can only tell you how dangerous something is.
Whether x amount of dangerous is worth losing y amount of socioeconomic freedoms over is always a matter of opinion.
The moment a scientist or politician throws an ought in there they're not doing science, their opinion may be informed by science, but it's not strictly science.
If they tell you it's strictly science, they're either confused or being disingenuous.
So even if the science is rock sold (which I don't believe it is, not when you have thousands of doctors and scientists telling us it isn't, not when the methodology and data is riddled with inconsistencies), what we should do about it, how many restrictions should be in place, will always be up for debate.
If we all drove the speed limit all the time, we may save more lives, doesn't mean it's worth it.
If the speed limit was lower, we may save more lives, doesn't mean it's worth it.
In some countries in Europe, there is no speed limit, or the speed limit is more recommendation than rule.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:34 pm

Do you want to live in a world of lockdowns, mandatory masks, restrictions on businesses, social distancing, testing, tracking and tracing, involuntary detainment and ankle monitors for the 'sick' and noncompliant, and what's next, mandatory vaxxes, you need proof of vaxxination, barcode tattoos, RFID chips to leave home?
Do you want to live in China?
I don't.
I don't think any amount of dangerous is worth living in China over.
Do old people in nursing homes want to be trapped there, not able to go out and see their families?
Is that how they want to spend the last few years or months of their lives, in jail?
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:07 pm

The Chinese government has been restricting, tracking and tracing its people in similar ways for decades, long before Covid.
They tell their people they have good reasons for doing so, but their reasons sound more like excuses to western ears.
We tend to think the Chinese government, and the financial elite within and behind it have selfish reasons for running a totalitarian state.
So an elite/government can have a lot to gain from totalitarianism, otherwise many governments wouldn't have it.
Yet it doesn't occur to many of us that our own elite/government might look at China and think to themselves: 'gee, this looks nice, everyone does what they're told, everything runs smoothly, no one asks questions, they work really hard, we know what everyone's doing, what they're up to', that they might try to find ways to bring that style of governance over here.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Thu Nov 12, 2020 3:24 pm

Follow the buck, who benefits?
Government expands, freedom contracts.
Big business, especially pharma and tech, has tended to expand, small business has tended to contract.
People are tuning into the fear mongering media.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Mr Reasonable » Fri Nov 13, 2020 12:07 am

a lot of people have died from covid and there are lots of new cases every day just sayin
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:52 pm

Now they're telling us masks don't just protect others from viruses, but they protect the wearer too.
So allegedly there's even more reason to wear them, not less.
It seems whenever new evidence is discovered about things pertaining to Covid, it almost always points in the directions of more reasons for more restrictions, never less.
Interesting they couldn't figure out masks also protect the wearer from viruses in the centuries we've been wearing them for medical reasons, they only just figured that out now.
It's also interesting how multiple agendas: reducing CO2, smart cities, everything laid out in agenda 2030, trying to make populists look bad, are all benefitted by Covid.
Convenient, another one of life's little curiosities.
Clearly they're making this shit up as they go along, whatever fits the narrative.
We went all the way from masks are not only useless but dangerous at the start of the year to masks are not only not dangerous but they protect others, and the wearer from viruses by the end of the year.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:08 pm

Urwrongx1000 wrote:

I suspected this from the start. There has been confirmation before but this is a big one.

We have whistleblowers telling us the PCR tests they're basing their infection and death rates on don't work, '89-94% false positives (of course it's 89-94% false positives rather than 89-94% false negatives, conveniently exaggerating the infection and death rates), the rest false negatives', yet they continue to use and base their infection and death rates on them.
Supposedly the trustworthy tests are seldom used because they take a lot longer to get results, but why should we trust these tests when the PCR tests don't work, yet they continue using and basing their infection and death rates on them?
They're probably fake too, the virus probably doesn't even exist.
I'm not going to continue arguing over infection and death rates when their tests don't even work.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:45 pm

Gloominary wrote:
Urwrongx1000 wrote:

I suspected this from the start. There has been confirmation before but this is a big one.

We have whistleblowers telling us the PCR tests they're basing their infection and death rates on don't work, '89-94% false positives (of course it's 89-94% false positives rather than 89-94% false negatives, conveniently exaggerating the infection and death rates), the rest false negatives', yet they continue to use and base their infection and death rates on them.
Supposedly the trustworthy tests are seldom used because they take a lot longer to get results, but why should we trust these tests when the PCR tests don't work, yet they continue using and basing their infection and death rates on them?
They're probably fake too, the virus probably doesn't even exist.
I'm not going to continue arguing over infection and death rates when their tests don't even work.

Of course ThemTube muted half the video. :lol:
Eventually they'll take it down.
Big tech is illiberal and undemocratic, they're technocrats.
They censor what they can't refute.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Fri Nov 13, 2020 3:54 pm

You can find the uncensored video here:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/yB0sWyq1InCi/
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:14 pm

Why censor her?
Even if she's dead wrong, why not instead put links in controversial videos to articles and videos countering them?
That would do a lot for big tech's credibility, but instead they resort to the illiberal and undemocratic practice of censorship.
It's no longer YouTube, what you decide to put up there, what you think is right and true, it's ThemTube.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:29 pm

Take a look at Belarus and Sweden.
Both have a population of about 10 million.
Assuming testing is accurate for the sake of argument, only about 900 have died with (not necessarily of) Covid in Belarus and 6000 in Sweden (see my thread Covid Hoax here in Current Events for why the words assuming and with are boldened).
That's a crude mortality rate of 0.009% and 0.06% respectively.
Neither country locked down and Covid restrictions were minimal.

Where's the plague?

They were telling us this was going to be the next Spanish flu, that if we didn't lock down and impose draconian restrictions, about 1-5% of the pop were gong to die.
Not only did they miss the mark, but they missed it wildly, by 100s of times.
Come up with any excuses you want, but I can point to any country or region in the world and show you a crude motility rate dramatically less than 1%.
You can't show me a crude mortality rate even close to 1%.
One of the highest is the US, about 200 thousand supposedly died with Covid.
That's still less than 0.1% of the population and for comparison if I remember correctly influenza killed 80 thousand in 6 months alone last year.

So there you have it, never mind their models, the year is almost over, the data is now in, their own data, putting scrutinization of their methodology aside, proves the threat was exaggerated.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:41 am

As I've said elsewhere, more old people were expected to get sicker and die this year than previous years, with or without a new virus, because 1 our population is growing, and 2 our population is aging, but don't expect them to tell you that.
This year the oldest boomers turned 75.
For the first time more boomers are 65+ than under 65.
And there's a reason why they're called boomers, there's a lot of them.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Gloominary » Sat Nov 14, 2020 5:19 am

‘Something extremely bogus is going on’: Musk says he’s positive & negative for Covid-19 after taking 4 tests in 1 day

Futurist entrepreneur Elon Musk has expressed doubts about the accuracy of coronavirus tests, after claiming to have been both diagnosed and cleared of the disease on the same day.
The SpaceX and Tesla founder wrote on Twitter that he had been administered four tests for the virus over a 24-hour period, leading to contradictory results.

“Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse. Rapid antigen test from BD," Musk said.

The tweet sparked a heated debate on social media, with some accusing the billionaire businessman of being “irresponsible” by suggesting that Covid-19 tests are unreliable.

However, Musk paid no attention to the criticism and expressed further skepticism about the testing process in follow-messages.

One Twitter user speculated that Musk’s apparent false-positive illustrates why countries are seeing “spikes” of the disease, to which the Tesla CEO responded: “If it’s happening to me, it’s happening to others.”

The billionaire also agreed with a comment that noted that “revenues from tests are likely not bogus & very consistent.”

Musk said he was taking polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests from separate labs and that the results would be ready in about a day. He explained that he had symptoms of a “typical cold” but was otherwise not exhibiting any health problems purportedly linked to Covid-19.

The 49-year-old has been an outspoken critic of government response to the spread of the virus. Previously, he denounced lockdown policies adopted in countries around the world, arguing that only at-risk people should quarantine “until the storm passes.”

He also said that neither he nor his family will likely take future coronavirus vaccines once they become available, saying that the response to the pandemic has “diminished [his] faith in humanity.”

https://www.rt.com/usa/506551-musk-covid-tests-positive-negative/
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:58 am

More scams of Scamdemic, same shit different day
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:04 am

And Twitter allowed him to post that? Strange. :-?
They don't allow anyone else - especially the President of the USA.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:05 am

At this point, I do believe this is a manmade virus, at least manipulated in China. I don't know if it was intentional or not by the CCP, but at this point, I would bet 66% it was intentional. Because at this point it has severely increased China's standing at the detriment to USA and the rest of the world. The Scam occurs because Western Civilization is morally, physically, and spiritually weak. The Baby Boomer population is old now, so yes, there will expectantly be more deaths from flu than regular. However the manmade strain of virus, the flu, is only slightly stronger and more virulent than regular. So it is not deadly or anything to fear.

However DNC, in cahoots with CCP, are using the virus Scamdemic to further their own agendas, including:
1. attacking Trump
2. destabilizing the economy (to attack Trump)
3. bolster the MSM fear-mongering campaign
4. overreach government programs
5. institute various other Democratic/Communist agendas, like changing school programs, social programs, etc.

Anybody "not on board" with CCP is deemed radical, dangerous, crazy, etc.
These all pose as means for those who are corrupt and in power, to gain more power than ever before.
Coupled with "Social Media" censorship, all these factors align to one inevitable conclusion.


A Scamdemic, with corrupt interests winning bigly. These are all merely parts for a much larger, violent fight to come.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:06 am

obsrvr524 wrote:And Twitter allowed him to post that? Strange. :-?
They don't allow anyone else - especially the President of the USA.

For now they are... but it won't take long for the radical-left to turn on each-other.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby obsrvr524 » Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:15 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:Also the COVID numbers aren't exactly making sense. It seems a valid thought that Hammer and Scoreboard type manipulation software might be being used in that concern as well. The socialist media has very largely depended on keeping everyone distracted by COVID (avoiding Mr Hidin, Lyin Biden's criminal issues), daily screaming, "COVID COVID COVID" in their typical hypnosis technique while shifting blame to Mr Trump for it along with blaming Mr Trump for "an ECONOMIC CRISIS!"

What if, as very many high ranking medical researchers and doctors have claimed, the emergency stage of COVID is long over but the "case numbers rising" is more an issue of "who is counting the votes" (As Stalin said long ago).
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Mr Reasonable » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:20 am

obsrvr524 wrote:And Twitter allowed him to post that? Strange. :-?
They don't allow anyone else - especially the President of the USA.


do u actually look at trumps twitter feed or do you just listen to rwnjs when they tell you that twitter censors him? no one censors him there. they flag misinformation and link to factual material when he tweets misinformation.
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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby iambiguous » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:17 pm

On the other hand...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/covi ... u-n1248545
https://thehill.com/policy/internationa ... oronavirus
https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-1 ... cy-2020-11

No lockdowns yet, but imagine if the vaccine were not just around the corner.

Next up: the vaccine? No way!!
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Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382

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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Peter Kropotkin » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:37 pm

of course, those like Gloom and Ur will reject taking the
vaccine...and why? because they reject science, medicine, experts,
and thinking...you know, everything that has made the modern world,
modern....

and yet, they don't reject the benefits of our modern world.....
they have/use TV sets and computers and telephones and cars and microwaves,
and airplanes... so it is a very selective rejection of the modern world and a selective
rejection of the science and technology that comes from the science.......

they use computers which is base upon science but not vaccines which
is also based upon science....I know doctors who specialize in such matters
as in autism and they state for a fact, that vaccinations don't cause autism....

and yet, despite the scientific evidence that vaccines don't cause autism,
fools like Gloom and Ur will claim that vaccines cause some sort of
damage to human beings...when the time comes and a vaccine for the virus becomes
available, I shall be taking the vaccine... and why? because unlike Gloom
and UR, I believe in science and medicine and technology,
that science created like the computers and airplanes and... yes, vaccines....

I am not a luddite unlike Gloom and Ur.......

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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:53 pm

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Re: We Do Not have a Medical Pandemic

Postby Urwrongx1000 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:54 pm

Mr Reasonable wrote:do u actually look at trumps twitter feed or do you just listen to rwnjs when they tell you that twitter censors him? no one censors him there. they flag misinformation and link to factual material when he tweets misinformation.

yeah, thats called censorship, duh
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