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Re: stay tuned!

Postby d0rkyd00d » Mon Jan 04, 2021 10:57 pm

"So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men." -Voltaire

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Re: stay tuned!

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 06, 2021 9:03 pm

Headlines:
"Pence and Lawmakers Evacuate as Protesters Storm Capitol, Halting Count of Electoral Votes"
"Capitol on lockdown as protesters breach building"


You know what the Chinese say: "May you live in interesting times."

Of course that is generally thought to be a curse.

So, are they freedom fighters or Sturmabteilung? Liberators or thugs?

Yo, dasein!

Oh, and this part:

Headline:

With brazen assault on election, Trump prompts critics to warn of a coup

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

During four years in office, President Trump has trampled political norms, attacked democratic institutions, sought to discredit government agencies, peddled baseless conspiracy theories and been impeached by the House.

Since his defeat in the November election, Trump’s critics have warned that his scorched-earth effort to invalidate the outcome amounts to a new level of danger: the first attempted coup d’etat in U.S. history to illegally maintain power.

The chorus of alarm grew this week after the disclosure that Trump bullied and threatened Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger in an hour-long private phone call Saturday, during which the president demanded that Raffensperger find thousands of votes for Trump that do not exist.

On social media, conservative and liberal pundits alike used the word “coup.” So did former George W. Bush aide Nicolle Wallace, Trump biographer Timothy L. O’Brien, political analyst Larry Sabato and Garry Kasparov, the Russian chess grandmaster and founder of the Renew Democracy Initiative. The Atlantic, the New Yorker, the Nation, Vanity Fair, New York magazine and the BBC have invoked the term to explore the ramifications of Trump’s assault on the nation’s democratic foundations.

“If this isn’t an attempted coup then what is it?!” Charles M. Blow, a liberal columnist for the New York Times, asked on Twitter.

Historians described Trump’s actions as dangerous, irresponsible, harmful and unprecedented, but most said his behavior does not yet meet the formal academic definition of an attempted coup, which typically describes a military-backed effort to seize power from a legitimate government. Senior Pentagon officials have made clear that the military has no role in the fallout over Trump’s election defeat.
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Re: stay tuned!

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:03 am

He blinks!

"Transfer of Power: Trump acknowledges new administration."
"In a new video, Trump addresses violence at the Capitol and says ‘a new administration’ will be sworn in."


So, shouldn't we expect some of the fulminating fanatics here to condemn this? Isn't Trump being a traitor to the cause? What, no evoking the Insurrection Act? He sends them to Capitol Hill claiming he will never concede. Then the very next day he does.

Or this all just another ruse...
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Re: stay tuned!

Postby iambiguous » Fri Jan 08, 2021 11:01 pm

Yep, it's gone this far:


"Pelosi says she spoke to nation’s top military leader about ensuring Trump doesn’t launch a nuclear attack"

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told colleagues in a letter Friday that she has spoken to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark A. Milley, about keeping an “unstable president” from accessing the nuclear codes.

Her letter came shortly after President Trump tweeted that he would not attend the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden on Jan. 20, breaking with a long-standing tradition of outgoing presidents attending the swearing-in ceremony of their successors. Biden told reporters that he agreed with Trump’s decision to skip the ceremony, though he would welcome Vice President Pence.
Washington Post

That's something I've thought about from time to time. Someone like Trump or Putin or Kim Jong-un figuring to take as many of us out with them when they go.

Like someone with HIV or another deadly disease deliberately infecting others out of bitterness or despair. Only with nuclear warheads.
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Re: stay tuned!

Postby promethean75 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 12:42 am

This is all trumpf's father and grandfather's fault, really. He was psychologically traumatized by the tremendous, tremendous pressure put on him to succeed, and the incredible, incredible impact that had as he felt unable to live up to that standard. It's not that don is a failure, but that he is beyond his means and his place. He should've never been bought through school and instead shoulda took up a job selling car insurance. Something more fitting to his true menial character and nature.

A simplistic bore like him should never have that much money. That just cant be right. It should be like a violation of the laws of physics or something.
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Re: stay tuned!

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:17 am

iambiguous wrote:Yep, it's gone this far:


"Pelosi says she spoke to nation’s top military leader about ensuring Trump doesn’t launch a nuclear attack"

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told colleagues in a letter Friday that she has spoken to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark A. Milley, about keeping an “unstable president” from accessing the nuclear codes.

Her letter came shortly after President Trump tweeted that he would not attend the inauguration of President-elect Joe Biden on Jan. 20, breaking with a long-standing tradition of outgoing presidents attending the swearing-in ceremony of their successors. Biden told reporters that he agreed with Trump’s decision to skip the ceremony, though he would welcome Vice President Pence.
Washington Post

That's something I've thought about from time to time. Someone like Trump or Putin or Kim Jong-un figuring to take as many of us out with them when they go.

Like someone with HIV or another deadly disease deliberately infecting others out of bitterness or despair. Only with nuclear warheads.



Biggy, ill get You for plagarism, my mention of this came before Your notice in my 'Trump takes the stage' forum. Just putting You on notice.



Nought! Justt kidding.!
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Re: stay tuned!

Postby Meno_ » Sat Jan 09, 2021 6:07 am

But seriously, what probibility is there, that Trump could risk such a foolhardy attempt?
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Re: stay tuned!

Postby iambiguous » Sun Jan 10, 2021 2:47 am

The next outrage?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... story.html

Federal prosecutors in Washington say they may investigate whether President Trump broke the law Wednesday when he urged a crowd of his supporters to “fight like hell” to overturn the election results shortly before a mob surged into the Capitol and disrupted the certification of the electoral college vote. The prospect of a seditious conspiracy charge — or any other — against Trump only increases the chances that the nation will enter uncharted legal territory soon. Unless the president plans to step down at the 11th hour of his term, allowing Vice President Pence to assume office and pardon him, he has only one option to shield himself from potential prosecution: a self-pardon.

But if Trump tries that, he will set in motion an endgame that may prove to be his own undoing.

He already faces criminal jeopardy on multiple fronts: The U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York is in possession of evidence of a potential campaign finance violation that Trump may have committed before he became president. Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III compiled evidence of multiple instances of obstruction of justice, outlined in his 2019 report. And Trump’s call last weekend to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger provides at least a basis to investigate possible violations of federal law against election fraud.


Again, this is purely a gut feeling on my part but I suspect that, given my own understanding of the "deep state", the powers that be will do little or nothing to actually "lock him up".

Instead, the argument will revolve around bringing the nation together. Yeah, Trump was a particular grotesque outlier, but it's time now to move forward and return the country back to "normal".

Stay tuned.
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Re: stay tuned!

Postby iambiguous » Wed Jan 20, 2021 8:34 pm

Bottom line [mine]:

There were generally two dire concerns on the part of many in regard to the timespan between the election and the inauguration:

1] that Trump would declare martial law to remain in power
2] that he would instigate some sort of international crisis that might lead to one or another rendition of war -- with Iran, with North Korea...with China?

It didn't happen. I suspect because he is putting all of his eggs in a Don Sr, Don Jr. or Ivanka presidential campaign in 2024.

Now the question becomes whether or not my own rendition of the Deep State decides to go after him legally or not. My gut says no.

Then this part:

Inauguration Live Updates: Biden and Harris Are Sworn In, Kicking Off New Era in Washington
headline in New York Times

Right. Like the Clinton or the Obama administration ushered in a "new era" in regard to the crony capitalist plutocracy that still rules the roost.

Yes, in regard to any number of "social issues", the Democrats are in fact "in reality" different from Republicans. And that's no small thing.

But in regard to meat and potato economic and foreign policy issues Biden and the Democratic Party leadership are, in my view, still very much ensconced in this: https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtop ... s#p2187045

Therefore, the focus of this thread -- stay tuned! -- will revolve around that. Measuring my own perceived gap between a Bernie Sanders "democratic socialist" agenda and a Joe Biden "crony capitalist" agenda.
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Re: stay tuned!

Postby iambiguous » Sun Jan 31, 2021 11:14 pm

This is what many are looking for now in regard to the Biden presidency:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/us/p ... e=Homepage

As Wall Street booms, unemployment has hit record highs with nearly 10 million fewer people holding jobs than at the beginning of last year — a situation that reminds some former officials of the 2008 economic crisis that led to both the Occupy Wall Street and the Tea Party movements.

“It’s not about Republicans and Democrats,” said Newt Gingrich, the former Republican House speaker and an ally of Mr. Trump. “It’s lots and lots of normal, everyday people who began to figure out they really got ripped off for the last year just like they got ripped off in 2008 and 2009.” He added, “What you’re seeing is an almost spontaneous cultural reaction in which the little guys and gals are getting together and going after the bigs, so the bigs are having to rig the game in order to survive.”

On Reddit, the online site that helped fuel the surge, few of the mostly young participants frame their flood of investments in clearly partisan terms. Yet many write of being driven by anger over the 2008 financial bailouts that kept the big banks afloat while 10 million Americans lost their homes.

“When that crisis hit our family, we were able to keep our little house, but we lived off of pancake mix, and powdered milk, and beans and rice for a year,” one person identified as ssauronn posted on Reddit. “Your ilk were bailed out and rewarded for terrible and illegal financial decisions that negatively changed the lives of millions.”
Other posters responded with their own stories of economic struggle and political rage.

“Forget republican/democrat, left/right… the bankers play both sides and have almost always come out on top,” a poster identified as ChrisFrettJunior wrote, after recounting watching his parents struggle through the 2008 recession.

The decision to bail out the biggest banks and also decline to prosecute any of their top executives led to much of the populist fervor that has driven American politics in the past decade. The Tea Party surged to political prominence in the wake of the $700 billion financial rescue package that passed in 2008, eventually becoming a force that defeated both moderate Republicans and Democrats.


Okay, Joe, 1] what are your own views on all of and this and 2] what are you and the Democratic leadership in Congress going to do about it?

You know, given that Obama basically came down on no changes at all that we can believe in.

This is what actually unites many on the left and the right here. One or another rendition of the deep state ruling class rigging "the system" to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. There is simply a "liberal" and a "conservative" narrative. And for some [on the right] the issue of race and the Jews and the homosexuals.

Stay tuned.
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