Gloominary wrote:Coronavirus is at worst, a bad flu, nothing more.
Around the world, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases has climbed to more than 423,000. The latest confirmed cases include Prince Charles, who was showing mild symptoms, according to a spokesperson for Clarence House.
The true number of Covid-19 cases around the globe is likely to be much higher. Officials in Spanish regions such as Madrid and Catalonia initially dealt with a shortage of testing resources by asking people with mild symptoms to simply self-isolate, while Italy’s top coronavirus response official, Angelo Borrelli, has suggested the real number of infections there is probably 10 times higher than the official count.
In Ireland, the national public health emergency team announced on Tuesday that coronavirus testing criteria had been changed to prioritise people showing at least two symptoms, in response to a backlog of 40,000 cases awaiting testing.
Around the world, coronavirus has claimed more than 18,000 lives and ushered in a spate of emergency measures.
The influenza pandemic circled the globe. Most of humanity felt the effects of this strain of the influenza virus. It spread following the path of its human carriers, along trade routes and shipping lines. Outbreaks swept through North America, Europe, Asia, Africa, Brazil and the South Pacific (Taubenberger). In India the mortality rate was extremely high at around 50 deaths from influenza per 1,000 people (Brown).
Peter Kropotkin wrote:Gloominary wrote:Coronavirus is at worst, a bad flu, nothing more.
K: you are and I quote: an Idiot...
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Gloominary wrote:But of course the government doesn't want a sober, rational, thinking, questioning public, it wants millions of headless farm animals running around the barn hysterically.
Urwrongx1000 wrote:It's still too early to say, but it seems like that, just a bad flu.
The real fear is if it is-in-fact, a bad flu. Because this would then mean that the Western World has severely damaged society and the economy, based on fear, and fear-alone.
This would represent a severe spiritual and moral flaw, weakness, which maybe the underlying case.
Gloominary wrote:Yup, this is something we can be much more sure of in hindsight than forecast, but it looks that way to me too, like it's being wildly exaggerated, based on the data points I gave and how I interpreted them.
If I'm right, then either government/media is very incompetent, very tyrannical, or some combination of the two, and yes that level of incompetency and/or corruption is more frightening than even the most calamitous projections of corona.
Based on what I know about government and media, my moneys on corruption.
When their, mistakes, always benefit them at our expense, they're not mistakes at all.
It's always less liberty and wealth for us, and more money for them.
It's a pretty damn weak virus if it's a bioweapon. IOW it's an utter failure as a bioweapon, and given it's long incubation period it would benefit no nation.Zero_Sum wrote:Gloomy baby, it's not a naturally occurring virus, it's an escaped engineered bioweapon that has gotten loose, why else do you think world governments everywhere are freaking the fuck out?
They know it's not a naturally occurring virus which is why they're trying to calm the sheople by publicly calling it novel.
I have most likely just recovered from it. They stopped testing where I am so I just treated it myself at home. It was a flu, in my case, not an especially bad one. Some of the symptoms were new for me, not worse, just different. I don't quite get the hysteria, it also seems like the economic effects are going to be enormous, which will lead to deaths and suffering also. It seems a cut off your nose to spite your face type of thing. I honestly cannot say where one should draw the line with the measures taken, but this seems an overreaction. We are trying to prevent problems by creating a sure thing problems perhaps for everyone. It also disturbs me how fast freedoms are being taken away. Now one could argue this is temporary and they will come back, but we should be very wary.Gloominary wrote:Coronavirus is at worst, a bad flu, nothing more.
Karpel Tunnel wrote:I have most likely just recovered from it. They stopped testing where I am so I just treated it myself at home. It was a flu, in my case, not an especially bad one. Some of the symptoms were new for me, not worse, just different. I don't quite get the hysteria, it also seems like the economic effects are going to be enormous, which will lead to deaths and suffering also. It seems a cut off your nose to spite your face type of thing. I honestly cannot say where one should draw the line with the measures taken, but this seems an overreaction. We are trying to prevent problems by creating a sure thing problems perhaps for everyone. It also disturbs me how fast freedoms are being taken away. Now one could argue this is temporary and they will come back, but we should be very wary.Gloominary wrote:Coronavirus is at worst, a bad flu, nothing more.
I did use a lot of alternative medicine on the thing, so pehaps I made it milder.
Dr. Tanzib Hossain is working on the front lines of the COVID-19 outbreak in New York City. He is seeing first-hand the devastating impact it's having on patients and the monumental challenges facing the health-care system.
Dr. Tanzib Hossain describes what doctors in New York are seeing in hospitals as the city becomes the epicentre of the COVID-19 outbreak in the U.S. 4:30
The first wave hit last week. The ER at NYU Langone Hospital in Brooklyn was flooded with people all showing the same symptoms: cough, fever, lungs filled with pus.
A week later came the second wave. Many of those same patients were getting worse, said Dr. Tanzib Hossain, a pulmonary and critical care physician dealing with the COVID-19 crisis at the hospital.
It's a heartbreaking situation that's playing out in hospitals across New York City, he said.
"This is ... the scary part for physicians in the emergency department. All of the patients that came in, a full five days in, they're all, to put it in the clearest way, they're dropping like flies," he said.
As of Wednesday night, he said, none of the patients who'd been put on a ventilator at the hospital had survived and recovered, though one was taken off Thursday morning and remains in care.
Many people who contract COVID-19 experience less severe symptoms and are able to recover at home.
However, in New York's hospitals, some patients are on ventilators for prolonged periods and most have not improved in any significant capacity, Hossain said.
And it's not just the elderly who are falling gravely ill. Hossain has seen first-hand that adults of any age can experience COVID-19's most severe effects.
"I think that's what was alarming," he said.
That is the reality on the front lines in New York, which has become the epicentre of the coronavirus outbreak in the U.S. As of Thursday, the city alone accounted for a third of all cases in the country, while New York state as a whole made up almost half.
There were 385 deaths in the state as of Thursday. Over the previous 24-hour period, hospitalizations went up 40 per cent to 5,327 and ICU admissions went up 40 per cent from 888 to 1,290, according to city statistics.
"It literally is like a war zone and everyone is in it, in the trenches together, and we rely on each other," Hossain said, referring to his fellow health-care workers.
What weighs on him the most
He said the hospital began putting in place contingency plans in January, after news of the virus emerged in China. The hospital had three intensive care units, a surgical ICU, a neurosurgical ICU and a medical ICU. One by one, they are being transformed into COVID-19 units.
Right now, the hospital hasn't reached capacity and is still expanding its beds and staffing levels to accommodate more COVID-19 patients. But for all the numbers and curves and projections, Hossain says none of that matters when he's one on one with a patient who may never recover, telling that person this might be the last moment they're awake.
It's a conversation that takes place in isolation; patients aren't allowed visitors, so the doctor or nurse is the last person they'll see.
"Say a 30-, 35-year-old individual comes into the hospital, just had a cough for a week and now they can't breathe, and I have to go up and tell them, 'I probably have to intubate you right now. So talk to whoever you want to talk to because once we sedate you, once we put the tube in, there's no guarantee we can take the tube out,' because we haven't seen anyone so far come out from this."
That, he says, is what weighs on doctors and nurses on the front lines more than the numbers, more than the lack of personal protective equipment, it's seeing those patients in their final moments.
"People are not recovering at a rate that you would hope and you don't have adequate treatment yet," he said. "The hope is that's gonna come, but until we have that, patients are getting sicker, staying sick, and it's serious."
New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo stated bluntly that every possible scenario for the virus's spread sees hospital capacity overwhelmed, so getting more beds is a priority. That means increasing capacity from 53,000 beds to 140,000 beds statewide.
Hossain welcomes efforts to increase capacity and provide more supplies. He points out that woven into the monumental struggle facing health-care workers is the resignation that many will get sick with the very illness they're trying to treat.
"It just seems inevitable to us. But we're doing the job because this is what we signed up for."
I found what you quoted very unclear about what actually is happening at a statistical level. There's no question lots of people are getting sick. The issue is whether the measures being taken are effective in stopping the spread of the disease, whether the measures are warrented given the potential effects on the economy. Right now people freak out when they get sick and many of them rush to emergency rooms. The percentages, which Gloominary posted, are still fairly low for most people and even people over 80 stand something like an 83% chance of surviving. People can self-quarantine if they are in vulnerable categories. I don't see what you quoted asphyllo wrote:Karpel Tunnel wrote:I have most likely just recovered from it. They stopped testing where I am so I just treated it myself at home. It was a flu, in my case, not an especially bad one. Some of the symptoms were new for me, not worse, just different. I don't quite get the hysteria, it also seems like the economic effects are going to be enormous, which will lead to deaths and suffering also. It seems a cut off your nose to spite your face type of thing. I honestly cannot say where one should draw the line with the measures taken, but this seems an overreaction. We are trying to prevent problems by creating a sure thing problems perhaps for everyone. It also disturbs me how fast freedoms are being taken away. Now one could argue this is temporary and they will come back, but we should be very wary.Gloominary wrote:Coronavirus is at worst, a bad flu, nothing more.
I did use a lot of alternative medicine on the thing, so pehaps I made it milder.
On the other hand :Dr. Tanzib Hossain is working on the front lines of the COVID-19 outbreak in New York City. He is seeing first-hand the devastating impact it's having on patients and the monumental challenges facing the health-care system.
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