phyllo wrote:China got it under control without shutting down the entire country.
Taiwan has it under control. They only closed schools for a couple of weeks. They acted quickly which may have saved them.
They didn't decimate their economies.
It's not clear whether the US can contain it locally. Certainly, the US is not testing enough so local containment is difficult.
It's not clear how many would become infected and die with either option - shutting down or reopening.
One sees results only after the decision is made. And one does not see what would have happened on the road not taken.
China got it under control without shutting down the entire country.
Taiwan has it under control. They only closed schools for a couple of weeks. They acted quickly which may have saved them.
phyllo wrote:China got it under control without shutting down the entire country.
Taiwan has it under control. They only closed schools for a couple of weeks. They acted quickly which may have saved them.
They didn't decimate their economies.
It's not clear whether the US can contain it locally. Certainly, the US is not testing enough so local containment is difficult.
It's not clear how many would become infected and die with either option - shutting down or reopening.
One sees results only after the decision is made. And one does not see what would have happened on the road not taken.
No, they didn't.K: any type of research tells us that China did in fact shut down their entire economy...
over half of it population was forced to shelter in place.. the estimate I saw was
over 800 million people were forced to shelter in place..... and reports from China
say that it is having a hard time regaining its economy..
It’s now critical that the rest of the world learn as much as it can from China’s efforts to respond to and limit the spread of the virus.
That was precisely the intention of a recent World Health Organization (WHO) mission to China, led by the agency’s assistant director general and veteran epidemiologist Bruce Aylward. Its major finding: “China’s bold approach to contain the rapid spread of this new respiratory pathogen has changed the course of a rapidly escalating and deadly epidemic.”
Bruce Aylward:
I think people aren’t paying close enough attention. The majority of the response in China, in 30 provinces, was about case finding, contact tracing, and suspension of public gatherings — all common measures used anywhere in the world to manage [the spread of] diseases.
The lockdowns people are referring to — the human rights concerns — usually reflect the situation in places like Wuhan [the city in Hubei province where the virus was first detected]. [The lockdown] was concentrated in Wuhan and two or three other cities that also exploded [with Covid-19 cases]. These are places that got out of control in the beginning [of the outbreak], and China made this decision to protect China and the rest of the world.
The virus is here for the long haul. It may take 18 months to develop a vaccine and to develop community immunity through exposure.to open us the economy at this point,
is to risk getting every single American getting the virus...….
No matter how you look at the numbers, one country stands out from the rest: South Korea.
In late February and early March, the number of new coronavirus infections in the country exploded from a few dozen, to a few hundred, to several thousand.
At the peak, medical workers identified 909 new cases in a single day, Feb. 29, and the country of 50 million people appeared on the verge of being overwhelmed. But less than a week later, the number of new cases halved. Within four days, it halved again — and again the next day.
On Sunday, South Korea reported only 64 new cases, the fewest in nearly a month, even as infections in other countries continue to soar by the thousands daily, devastating health care systems and economies. Italy records several hundred deaths daily; South Korea has not had more than eight in a day.
South Korea is one of only two countries with large outbreaks, alongside China, to flatten the curve of new infections. And it has done so without China’s draconian restrictions on speech and movement, or economically damaging lockdowns like those in Europe and the United States.
phyllo wrote:I can't imagine how you think people will pay for necessities over an extended period of time without an income.
A large number of people were already living from paycheck to paycheck before this hit.
Government support isn't going to go far if you have to pay millions of people.
phyllo wrote:The government is already in debt.
How is it going to be able to pay people? Where is the money going to come from?
Two or three trillion dollars is a drop in the bucket.
phyllo wrote:I guess this is why there are no philosopher kings.
Stoics were practical and fully aware to the realities of life.Meno_ wrote:May be excepting Marcus Auerilus
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