An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

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An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:47 pm

We all remember the "punch her in the.." and whatnot one liners of Trump, what people call him a psychopath on account of.

And yet, nobody even half believes he would ever be caught saying, in one of those moments of pure bliss businessmen talk where he doesn't care, something like "I'm not a fucking jew" or "those fucking n---ers."

Whereas, it would shock no one to hear one of these leftist magnates say it as a matter of course. Or their journalist acolytes. Hell, we have actually plenty such leaks. It would not even be considered as anything specially out of the ordinary or worthy of note. Like "why did anyone even bother recording that?"

We all know that is constantly what goes on behind those doors, but Orange Man Bad.

We got your number, bitches.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby iambiguous » Mon Jan 20, 2020 8:25 pm

Hell, he mused, this isn't even in the top ten of the dumbest things he has posted here.

Who know, whoever he is. :wink:
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby phoneutria » Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:45 pm

He did appoint Jeff Sessions though.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:57 pm

Hey, look, both Trump and Leftist magnates can be racist. I am sure many magnates on the Left (and the right) are. So, find someone on 'the other team' who is bad doesn't mean anything about Trump. Unless one follows the myth one of the two teams we are supposed to think are the options in life is good and the other is bad in some binary way. In his comments about women I suppose it was those about his daughter that were disturbing. Not necessarily because he perhaps had those feelings here or there, though that too, but that he has so poor impulse control. In some situations, fine. But this is guy with the first call on the button. Fortunately I think he is at root an isolationist, despite his hatred of Iran. IOW I don't think he really wants to spend money on wars and 'spreading democracy' and all the other bullshit reasons the US tends to intervene or claims as reasons to intervene and fuck up places. I think Hilary would have being already intervening much more than him since she is completely aligned with the neocon playbook. Doesn't mean I like Trump. I just think perhaps his blurting will not lead armageddon. Thought the jury is still out on this one.

One of the most common fallacies is the two team fallacy and the if I can show that team A is bad then team is good. Fuck, most teams A and B both suck, andnot only do they agree on the hallucination that they are the two teams but on a lot of other stuff.

Trump may well have not been on either team, the Repubs certainly did a lot to try to shut him out. They failed. He could be a black sheep. He could be an actual outsider. Of course, that doesn't mean he's good either.

There can be more teams and outlooks out there, and look, there are.

Another common fallacy is the example fallacy. Person A of party, group X did this bad thing. See, that's what they are all really like deep down.

If the goal is to facilely reassure onself, peachy.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:40 am

There's 3 reasons to hate Donald Trump, you're a social democrat and you hate him for what he says, and does, or you're a nationalist and you hate him because he doesn't do what he says he'll do.
And there's no reason to like him, unless you're rich, an Israeli or an illegal immigrant, and his base aren't any of those things.
Trump is a neolibcon conman like Reagan, the Bushs and the Clintons before him.
He's a clown, a reality TV star, like the Kardashians, the spoiled rich kid who never had to grow up.

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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:28 am

Here's another reason to hate him.
He's not even a real capitalist like the Pauls.
He supported the wall street bailout, does nothing about the federal reserve or big brother's takeover of big tech, which harms big tech's competitors, taxpayers, conservatives, dissident progressives and anyone who speaks out against the social, political, economic, media, medical and military establishment, meanwhile he cuts taxes, mainly for the rich, and spending, mainly on the poor.
He leaves the border wide open while spending trillions of dollars defending, and expanding Israel's borders, breaking international law to fight their enemies, while Jewish supremacists assure us we're Nazis for wanting borders of our own.

The mainstream left's supposed hatred for him is political theatre, nothing more, he couldn't be more aligned with the neolibcon agenda, barring the trade war he's waging on China and some other countries I guess.

And one more for all you fiscal conservatives out there.

Instead of Eliminating the Debt, Trump Will Add $8.3 Trillion

https://www.thebalance.com/trump-plans-to-reduce-national-debt-4114401

And what does the average American have to show for it?

Fuck all.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:34 am

iambiguous wrote:Hell, he mused, this isn't even in the top ten of the dumbest things he has posted here.

Who know, whoever he is. :wink:


You know, you all perhaps never considered, that a relentless campaign of insults-with-nothing-on-the-side would eventually be figured out as a strategy, and, sort of, laughed at.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:36 am

phoneutria wrote:He did appoint Jeff Sessions though.


Can we have the honesty, mayhap, to look where I'm pointing. You all have been pointing at Orange Man Bad and forcing us to listen for 4 years. Can we once look where I'm pointing?
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:45 am

But we can't spend billions on healthcare because that would be communism.
But for big business and the fake war on drugs and terror, we've got a virtually unlimited supply.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:48 am

Why art thou not in Scandinavia?
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:50 am

Also who the fuck is this "we" whose money we're going to spend?
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:02 am

The same we who spends money on big business and the fake war on drugs and terror.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:03 am

:-k
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:03 am

iambiguous wrote:Who know, whoever he is. :wink:


Creepy fuck.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:14 am

Karpel Tunnel wrote:Trump may well have not been on either team, the Repubs certainly did a lot to try to shut him out. They failed. He could be a black sheep. He could be an actual outsider. Of course, that doesn't mean he's good either.

There can be more teams and outlooks out there, and look, there are.

Another common fallacy is the example fallacy. Person A of party, group X did this bad thing. See, that's what they are all really like deep down.

If the goal is to facilely reassure onself, peachy.

Iran hasn't overtly killed any Americans.
I think that's the crisis they think they need to take America to war again.
They're baiting Iran by arming their enemies, with sanctions, threats and violating their air space into killing Americans, but so far Iran has erred on the side of caution, for now.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby iambiguous » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:15 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:
iambiguous wrote:Who know, whoever he is. :wink:


Creepy fuck.


So, you actually do know who he is? Anyone here perchance?
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:16 am

Oooh... Um.

Clever.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:18 am

WHOISHEREMYDELICIOUSSSS
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:19 am

Blegh.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Ecmandu » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:26 am

Trump is so horrid that it’s not even funny to bash him anymore.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:35 am

Insults, insults...

Where's the STUFF?
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Pedro I Rengel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:36 am

Also mayhap you have not noticed,

But it is President Trump bashing you.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:13 am

Pedro I Rengel wrote:Why art thou not in Scandinavia?

Because I have family, a job and a life here.

And while their economic policies may be overall better from what I gather, their social policies may be even worse.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Gloominary » Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:20 am

Scandinavia is very corrupt too, the working and middle classes trade in a lot of negative social, and economic rights for basic positive economic ones.

They shouldn't have to trade in any.
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Re: An interesting point about Trump's "Racism"

Postby Karpel Tunnel » Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:50 am

Gloominary wrote:Iran hasn't overtly killed any Americans.
Agreed.
I think that's the crisis they think they need to take America to war again.
They're baiting Iran by arming their enemies, with sanctions, threats and violating their air space into killing Americans, but so far Iran has erred on the side of caution, for now.
I believe they did shoot missiles at american bases in Iraq, but these failed to kill anyone. They missed. That makes it very hard to claim they are a threat to the US, thousands, rather than hundreds of miles away. And it was in response to an assassination which the US would never have tolerated if the shoe had been on the other foot.

It is so stupid the way the issue in the mainstream press is whether he was a bad guy. That's not the issue. That's a side issue. No one mentions that Iraqis were killed by the strike. It doesn't get framed in terms of international law, national sovreinty, for example of a nation we supposedly rebuilt: Iraq.

I just hope Trump's isolationist tendencies win out.
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