I’m just going to say this to trumpers outright

[MagsJ]

Yeah ok, but what triggers the endorphins? And I mean, endorphins are a pretty large proportion of brain chemicals, by themselves I don't think constitute any kind of answer.

But what triggers that?

Um? I don’t know, but I do do all these things, most days.

Being in a state of bliss may be the answer, as, much of that rings true for me.. I’m very calm and chill, but we all have our moments, right? ; )

Many get their feel-goods from being aggy, but I think that that is counter-productive to bliss satiation, as antagonism is anti-bliss and would therefore inhibit endorphin production. Aggy types literally steal your high from you, by antagonistic means, and are known as toxic types.. my eldest sister is so, so I have to keep her on a strict level of rapport.

Yah, I'd like to know why sounds cause me to see fireworks too, particularly loud noises? For a split second I only see white fireworks.

Well.. I’m no expert, but this Smithsonian Magazine article says “Young synesthetes losing their colors over time would fit with a popular theory about synesthesia, which says that it comes from an overly connected brain. “All very young children have hyper-connected brains,” Simner says; the neurons branch out indiscriminately between different areas. As we grow, the unneeded connections are pruned away, a process that continues throughout childhood. “It may be that synesthetes escape the pruning, so to speak,” Simner says. All kids might start out with some degree of synesthesia, which fades away with normal development”.

Wendy.. perhaps you are a child of god, as opposed to a child, and so remain neurally-unpruned and therefore remain neurally-connected, like bae bae.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Lol come on Mags, I am neither talking about nor attempting to allude to taking drugs or drug-like experiences, even a little.

'Saying is simpler here. What can cause such a thing as you described experiencing? "I don't care" is an answer that certainly makes sense to me, and that I reserve for many of my own most treasured experiences, but "endorphins" seems like neither one nor the other, neither "I don't care" nor "well this."

I think it might be a little rude to accuse our friend of disingenuousness or superstition right off the bat, and I am just trying to ask a question that puts into perspective the fact that a thing like synesthesia is not as simple as "because!"

[MagsJ]

I cannot speak for the guy, but only myself, and what I’ve discussed with others who have had similar experiences.. it’s an interesting phenomenon, regardless.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Can't say I've ever had it, even after doing copious amounts of acid, but I find it extremely interesting and it makes some kind of weird sense to me. And yet, what does cause it? I think, whether one has any interest in answering it or not, that it is a good question.

[felix dakat]

Trump is trying to clean the “deep state”. The “deep state” has made it so that we’ve had no terrorist attacks since 9/11.

Trump sits atop a country that for a single president is almost impossible to fuck up, but man, he’s trying as hard as he can to fuck it up!

I don’t like trump. All trump sees the presidency as is to make him more money when he leaves office.

And this is the problem with pure capitalists (the plutocrats) running the US.

Even Secretary of State Esper can't back Trump up on his latest lie about an imminent threat justifying assassinating Soleimani.

[phoneutria]

Yeah, 90% imagination. But the imagination still has to be fed by concrete and careful scientific methodology.

What is being discussed is what methods may glean some information about those dynamics, and their limitations. It is an outright lie to say you are "seeing" anything, just by virtue of how difficult it is to measure anything at that scale.

So they say things like "a thing causes another thing far away before travel is possible." But meanwhile they sneak by that we have already identified a discreet thing, and that its measurement is concrete enough to determine causality.

As if we were talking about atomic dynamics or something. If even a photon can throw the thing off, clearly we need to step back and ask "what even is a quanta?" It is certainly not a "thing" in any way such as an atom or an electron are a thing. Or even like gravity and the force that holds nuclei together. Those things can actually be discreetly identified and measured, because tools can be used on them that don't dramatically alter its dynamics in any way we cannot account for in equally concrete and discreet measurements.

QP is largely the refusal to admit that those things are really fucking hard to measure.

I always assume that 'seeing', in this context, is a figure of speech. It seems obvious that they are referring to observation, and as a creature with a very strong bias toward sight, my first instinct is to take 'observation' to be a synonym for 'seeing', but due to the physical limitations at that scale, I'm required to re-educate myself to take that word to mean something else entirely.

I suppose you can understand this branch as a refusal to admit that we can't measure these things, but you can also see it as the wonderful way in which humans approach incomprehensible phenomena, which is to let our wild creativity and imagination expand the limits of our mind into areas beyond our technical ability, so that when the technology gets there, those things don't seem so crazy anymore, we're ready for them.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Of course, the question is, does QP really make us ready for them? String theory MAYBE. Maybe, and let us remember that ST is basically a radical reaction to QP.

To really prepare ground, discipline in thought, in imagination, is important. Einstein was nothing if not ruthlessly disciplined in his imagination. Not to speak of Newton, who spread his mind over subjects as rich as alchemy, and yet gave some of the driest, straight-forwardest contributions to science ever contributed. The Greeks' jaws would have dropped.

It is one thing to let the imagination wander. It is another to obfuscate knowable realities in order to allow a certain kind of imagination to take hold. It takes an agenda, and usually marks the difference between a wandering imagination and a sly trick.

I understand what you say about sight and observation. I am not saying we have any words to directly address the measurements that get us closer to determine what we may be looking at at the sub-electronic scale. But there is a certain, push, a certain emphasis placed on the literal meaning of sight in quantum physics, that belies a disingenuousness and even deceitfulness.

In short, they claimed to have determined more things than it is so far possible to determine. We are not even at the point of determining what it is we might possibly be trying to determine.

It sticks in one's side.

[Pedro I Rengel]

Often they confuse practical definitions with actual reality, just to further the mysticism. Like light being particle or wave, or both. And that experiment in which it is a particle if you look, and a wave if you don't. We actually know far more about light than this suggests. The wave - particle question is one of practicality of how to measure light, not any kind of information of what light actually is. Too much sweat went into the study of electromagnetism for me to allow that to stand. It is very fucked up, and took every ounce of Einstein's strength, to be able to imagine what light actually is given everything we know about matter and energy.

They suggest, and how innocently they suggest it is up for debate, but I have my inklings, that a kind of magic happens by virtue of the observation (really measurement of very specific things, often obfuscated by insincerely calling it 'sight') wherein it literally is only particles in one case, and waves in the other.

Stop it. Einstein never treated us like retards.

[Pedro I Rengel]

We can't even say they are wrong. Because we don't know. We can only say they are making stuff up for no discernable reason.

[Pedro I Rengel]

QP is a struggling with measurement instruments and methods, not theories about physics. My question is: why is this shameful?

[Ecmandu]

Just to be sure that no Russian interference is occurring, I’m going to re-post this sporadically throughout this thread:

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[Pedro I Rengel]

MАГA

lol

[phoneutria]

It's funny how whenever synesthesia is mentioned, 2 or 3 people will come forward saying that they present it.
As if the population distribution of that condition was more than 4%.

[MagsJ]

Can't say I've ever had it, even after doing copious amounts of acid,

Lol.. perhaps your demeanour is not ethereal enough, for.. like I said, it seems to be about a state of mind that we find ourselves in.

..but I find it extremely interesting and it makes some kind of weird sense to me. And yet, what does cause it? I think, whether one has any interest in answering it or not, that it is a good question.

Indeed.. some of the best questions may go unanswered, but I tried my best, and I think I’m right. ; )

[Pedro I Rengel]

Right. Maybe my dharmic soul, or whatever, isn't done tripping out at images themselves enough to go, like, deconstructing the senses.

[Pedro I Rengel]

By God I saw some incredible shit on acid though.

[MagsJ]

Right. Maybe my dharmic soul, or whatever, isn't done tripping out at images themselves enough to go, like, deconstructing the senses.

It seems to happen under certain conditions, so conditional on..? on being a total light-weight perhaps, so such neural anomalies being easily triggered, in an awaiting mind.

By God I saw some incredible shit on acid though.

So if not colours and haze, then what?

[phoneutria]

I try to go have ahyauasca at the church every month or so.
That's... colorful.

[MagsJ]

Ah-hahahahaHA!

you idiots

Your point being?

This would explain much of the incoherent output I sometimes have the (dis)pleasure of reading. lol

[Pedro I Rengel]

Bahahahahahaha

Too bad I never tried pure DMT before quitting drugs. Woulda liked to.

Right. Maybe my dharmic soul, or whatever, isn't done tripping out at images themselves enough to go, like, deconstructing the senses.

It seems to happen under certain conditions, so conditional on..? on being a total light-weight perhaps, so such neural anomalies being easily triggered, in an awaiting mind.

By God I saw some incredible shit on acid though.

So if not colours and haze, then what?

Just... I feel like I lived many lives in many universes, not literally but just in terms of the multiplicity and variety I guess. I don't... Um... I saw the space between air?

[Pedro I Rengel]

Maybe maybe, but a light weight, easily triggered... by what?

[Pedro I Rengel]

There is also LSA, which is a close cousin of LSD and often sold as LSD, you can get it from Morning Glory seeds for example. That is much more what you mention, like colors and haze. Movement leaves tracks. It's awesome. LSD can do that too, but with LSA it has less transcendent meaning when it happens lol and is more exclusively about that. Playing with your senses. but never, I never had the senses actually meld, or my meaning generating centers fuse with my sensory world, so as to let me smell loud or see the color of a letter. I saw enough though that I find it incontroversial for it to be claimed.

[MagsJ]

I try to go have ahyauasca at the church every month or so.
That's... colorful.

“Though Ayahuasca was traditionally used for religious and spiritual purposes by specific populations, it has become popular worldwide among those who seek a way to open their minds, heal from past traumas, or simply experience an Ayahuasca journey. 26 Jun 2019”

There’s an ahyauasca journey? where does the ahyauasca train stop at/take you to..? I’m too chicken and light-weight to try such things.. half an acid tab at 21 was all I could handle in this lifetime, hahaha! I found it really boring and was pissed that it prohibited me from falling asleep.. though, like Pedro, I did see pretty things.

[phoneutria]

it takes you really deep within yourself, where the gods live

[Parodites]

P is a pretty letter. I have Synaesthesia, it was always... purple, to me. A 'p' itself. A royal color.

So you see colours when you hear words?

I don’t have Synaesthesia, but I recently saw purple haze drifting around in front of me a few times in an almost galaxy-like fashion, and ultra-violet is another colour I often see hovering over and behind objects.. but I think these phenomenon are caused by brain chemistry and neural over-activity.. and yes, it is very pretty indeed.

No, I have a rare form of synaesthesia where all of my senses are sort of unified into a single feeling, that includes even tactile synaesthesia. I can feel specific physical weight when I think of certain musical chords for example; I feel tactile sensations because of certain colors; numbers have... directions, I don't know how to say it. Numbers point in unique directions. That is why, as a child, I took to obsessively writing numbers of pieces of paper and arranging them into strange patterns, though to me I was just lining them up based on the direction they pointed. A bunch of weird shit like that, which I have trouble articulating verbally. And it goes for all of my senses; a letter has a color, a direction, a weight, a tactile response, as do all the numbers; as do just, symbols, random patterns of sigils or lines connected on a grid. It is called, kinesthesis.

As to why that phenomenon exists. I believe that this is the normal state of experience, for animals; the senses operate in union. Because of our symbolic ability, breaking the world down into distinct patterns- breaking our inner experience down into distinct patterns more importantly, we have caused a kind of fragmentation to occur. Even my form of total synaesthesia would be a very limited form of perceptual cohesion compared to that of an animal.