What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:53 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Trump doesn't say that nor is he quoted saying that. Supposedly his campaign said that (whatever that means), it wasn't Trump.

Your rationalizations are unreasonable and unsupported by evidence, law, or ethics.


This is a joke right?

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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Dec 29, 2019 7:55 pm

Where does he say that he's worth 10 billion? I didn't hear it and I've watched the clip.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:01 pm

WendyDarling wrote:Where does he say that he's worth 10 billion? I didn't hear it and I've watched the clip.


His SEC filing. Watch the clip again. It’s documented.

Even if he’s only worth 8 billion.

Same argument applies:

He either doesn’t care about the wall or he’s not that wealthy.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:38 pm

obsrvr524 wrote:
phyllo wrote:That's total bullshit.

How stupid do you think I am?

Well, let's not rush to judgment on that question.

So are you in the belief that there is no one in charge of investigating potential illegal activities of US citizens? You really think that is what they meant by "free nation"?

Who is in charge of such investigations?
Oh sure and in his spare time, Trump cruises Washington looking for drug dealers and other scofflaws. Book'em Trumpo. :lol:
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Sun Dec 29, 2019 9:40 pm

So did phyllo take his L already (fight or fLight)?
Whatever that means. :-?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:15 pm

You keep moving the goalpost EC. You said Trump's bad because he lied about his finances which you can't prove, now you say that he's under some moral imperative to spend half his wealth to satisfy your standards. That's not reasonable to anybody, but you. Have you spent half your combined wealth on our country as a concerned citizen who's not a hypocrite? The have nots always want the haves to pay for them instead of paying for themselves.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby iambiguous » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:29 pm

Just out of curiosity, for those unconvinced that Trump deserved to be impeached, what would he have to do in order to make you change your mind?

In other words, is your argument here "principled" or, basically, as long as he pursues policies that align themselves with your own political prejudices [keeping America white, keeping the rich rich] is there almost nothing that would turn you around?

In other other words, well, you might be a nihilist yourself! :wink:
He was like a man who wanted to change all; and could not; so burned with his impotence; and had only me, an infinitely small microcosm to convert or detest. John Fowles

Start here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=176529
Then here: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=185296
And here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=194382
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:31 pm

WendyDarling wrote:You keep moving the goalpost EC. You said Trump's bad because he lied about his finances which you can't prove, now you say that he's under some moral imperative to spend half his wealth to satisfy your standards. That's not reasonable to anybody, but you. Have you spent half your combined wealth on our country as a concerned citizen who's not a hypocrite? The have nots always want the haves to pay for them instead of paying for themselves.


I did not move the goalpost. He stated 8.6 billion. His documented filing is over 10 billion. He signed off on it.

But here’s the deal.

Even if it is only 8.6 billion. His number one campaign promise was to build that wall, whatever it took.

Half my money would make me WAY homeless.

5 billion out of 8.6 billion still leaves trump not only wealthy as fuck, but he gains the admiration of ALL of his voters! Every fucking one! Trump would be the biggest idiot in human history to not do that.

The man literally doesn’t give a fuck about his constituency. All he sees as president is that he can change laws to make him more money.

And yes, he is a mafia president. You do not make that much money in real estate in New York and New Jersey unless you are.

Like I said before, that’s the real collusion.

So again, here we are...

Trump can make the best decision on planet earth or trump doesn’t have the money.

He’s either mentally retarded or broke.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:43 pm

You haven't proved that he lied. You haven't proved that he doesn't care about his constituents either. He's under no obligation to fund the US border wall.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:45 pm

WendyDarling wrote:You haven't proved that he lied. You haven't proved that he doesn't care about his constituents either.


Actually, I proved that he either lied or that he’s mentally retarded.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby WendyDarling » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:47 pm

He's not the one who's mentally retarded. You have debated Biggie too much cuz you have switched to auto repeat.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby Ecmandu » Sun Dec 29, 2019 10:57 pm

WendyDarling wrote:He's not the one who's mentally retarded. You have debated Biggie too much cuz you have switched to auto repeat.


You are non responsive to the actual charge against trump.

He swore to voters that no matter what, he’d build that wall.

The wall costs 5 billion dollars.

Trump is (by his own words on tape) worth a minimum of 8.6 billion dollars ...

You do realize that if trump spent that money himself that he’d be not only a hero to everyone who voted for him, but a hero to history.

He doesn’t give a fuck, about you, about anyone.

So trump is only worth a measly 3.6 billion dollars....

Oh we should all cry for him!

The man is a con artist in debt to the mob.

Let me explain this to you very simply Wendy ...

I don’t suffer fools anymore.


If you’re not going to take me up on hyperdimensional mirror realities anymore... and start acting like a rational player in the mundane word... well, that’s my call, not yours.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:01 am

phyllo wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:Who is in charge of such investigations?
Oh sure and in his spare time, Trump cruises Washington looking for drug dealers and other scofflaws. Book'em Trumpo. :lol:

Perhaps, but can you answer the question?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:06 am

Read above post.

I’m going to put this to Wendy very simply ...

Judgement is all the hearts judging each other, and in this fuck of hearts judging each other, a collective heart is born.

Wendy, you’re not on the right side. I appreciate you trying to defend the defenseless (Donald)... I do the same thing with tools you have yet to comprehend ...

The truth is, this planet is finite, and the number of hearts is finite. Trillions upon trillions if you count the viruses as well.

Wendy, you are not fit for judging ... I think you’re extremely smart ... someday you will be fit for judging ... but not yet.

Wendy, we never die, and reincarnation is bullshit. Reincarnation is just our innate ability to access memories that will never die.

I’m not trying to be mean to you Wendy, it will be a huge wake up call for you when you stand trial upon the earth. This seems off topic, but you needed to read it.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:10 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
phyllo wrote:
obsrvr524 wrote:Who is in charge of such investigations?
Oh sure and in his spare time, Trump cruises Washington looking for drug dealers and other scofflaws. Book'em Trumpo. :lol:

Perhaps, but can you answer the question?
Various agencies are in charge.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:13 am

phyllo wrote:Various agencies are in charge.

And who is in charge of those agencies?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:19 am

obsrvr524 wrote:
phyllo wrote:Various agencies are in charge.

And who is in charge of those agencies?
It is not Trump.

If you believe that it is, then you have succumbed to the cult of the leader.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:38 am

It is always, in every nation, the executive administrator. Depending on the nation, that would be either the Prime Minister or the President.

In the US, the Constitution (article 2) dictates that the President is the leader of the executive branch. That would be Mr Trump. How else could he have fired James Comey, the former FBI leader or John Brennan, the former CIA director?

Wikipedia - Constitution of the United States wrote:Article Two of the United States Constitution establishes the executive branch of the federal government, which carries out and enforces federal laws. Article Two vests the power of the executive branch in the office of the president of the United States.

That makes Mr Trump the top copper in their nation. Their FBI, CIA, DOJ, and all law enforcement agencies ultimately answer to their President.

So who is really a part of a "cult" here?

1) Deeply deceived - dd
2) Wanting to deceive - wd
3) just stupid - js

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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:51 am

Yeah...

I don’t think you understand trumps consternation...

These organizations are mad at trump.

Trump is not the judiciary or congress (even though he thinks he is), but he does have these powers and they just don’t like the guy.

Like I said before, homeland security has done an awesome job since 9/11, and trump treats them like shit. While trump is out grabbing pussies and calling them the swamp, there is resentment.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:54 am

So who is really a part of a "cult" here?

1) Deeply deceived - dd
2) Wanting to deceive - wd
3) just stupid - js

Which has been you?

You don't think he did anything wrong by pressuring the Ukraine start an investigation into his political rivals.

Others think that it went beyond what a president ought to be doing and that it's an impeachable offense.

That doesn't make them unethical or stupid.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:58 am

phyllo wrote:
So who is really a part of a "cult" here?

1) Deeply deceived - dd
2) Wanting to deceive - wd
3) just stupid - js

Which has been you?

You don't think he did anything wrong by pressuring the Ukraine start an investigation into his political rivals.

Others think that it went beyond what a president ought to be doing and that it's an impeachable offense.

That doesn't make them unethical or stupid.


I’m all for a president asking other countries to investigate if they don’t trust their own country.

The big question is whether there was a quid pro quo.

Now that’s fucked up!
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:15 am

Trump is not the judiciary or congress (even though he thinks he is), but he does have these powers and they just don’t like the guy.
He doesn't have the power to do whatever he wants. That would be a dictatorship.

Is that what you have?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby obsrvr524 » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:22 am

phyllo wrote:You don't think he did anything wrong by pressuring the Ukraine start an investigation into his political rivals.

I don't think that he did anything wrong in asking for assistance in his DOJ's investigation of conspicuous evidence of corruption regardless of who was being suspected.

Realize that Joe Biden had already given very strong evidence of his guilt of extortion (a quid quo pro) by his own admission on video. That alone doesn't equal guilt, but it certainly warrants an investigation.

They launched a $25 million, 2 year investigation against Mr Trump based on merely a bar room rumor. They proved it to be merely a rumor immediately but the objective was to remove Trump, not to find actual guilt - "if you can't convict him on something he did, convict him on something he didn't do. Just don't ever stop trying to reach your goal."

phyllo wrote:Others think that it went beyond what a president ought to be doing and that it's an impeachable offense.

"Others" are making any excuse they can. Surely you have seen people on this board doing that exact same thing - twist the words, deny the obvious, invent confusion, and so on just so they never ever admit defeat.

If you haven't seen people doing that on this board, simply watch your own behavior. You could never admit that you have been deceived so deeply. That would be sacrilege to your soul. So you must just keep denying, fighting, or running away - fight or fLight.
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby phyllo » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:28 am

asking for assistance
He just asked? He didn't use the threat of withholding aid?
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Re: What is Trump's high crime or misdemeanor?

Postby Ecmandu » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:29 am

phyllo wrote:
Trump is not the judiciary or congress (even though he thinks he is), but he does have these powers and they just don’t like the guy.
He doesn't have the power to do whatever he wants. That would be a dictatorship.

Is that what you have?


What I meant (sorry) is not that he has the powers of the judiciary and congress, but that the commander in chief has the ability to dictate and fire anyone from intelligence or armed services... and not only is the judiciary and congress mad at him, so are the intelligence and armed services (rightfully so!)
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